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Donald Trump Tweets a change of heart on the Electoral College
The president-elect appears to have changed his tune since a 2012 Tweet in which he referred to the Electoral College as a “disaster for a democracy,” and some people are calling him out.
The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. Campaigning is much different!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 15, 2016
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
So, what is Donald Trump’s plan for America TODAY?
It’s funny how so many people say they don’t know what it is, or they act like Trump is hiding it. The information is readily available if people would just do a little homework.
Here, in no particular order, is an overview of many of Trumps positions and plans:
1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in other country’s problems without being compensated for doing so. If America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to pay for our help.
Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition to the cost in human life. He suggests that Iraq should have been required to give us enough of their oil to pay for the expenses we incurred. He includes in those expenses the medical costs for our military and $5 million for each family that lost a loved one in the war and $2 million for each family of soldiers who received severe injuries.
2.) Speaking of the military, Trump wants America to have a strong military again. He believes the single most important function of the federal government is national defense. He has said he wants to find the General Patton or General MacArthur that could lead our military buildup back to the strength it needs to be. Trump’s attitude about America and about winning tells me he’d most likely be quick to eliminate rules of engagement that handicap our military in battle. Clearly Trump is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, and I’m sure that would apply to our national defense and security, too.
3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must include 7 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the last point): · American interests come first. Always. No apologies. · Maximum firepower and military preparedness. · Only go to war to win. · Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies. · Keep the technological sword razor sharp. · See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize. · Respect and support our present and past warriors.
4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama administration treats them.
5.) Trump makes the point that China’s manipulation of their currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with them. He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive again and drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here. Although he sees China as the biggest offender, he believes that America should protect itself from all foreign efforts to take our jobs and manufacturing.
For example, Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.
6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act – NOPEC – S.394), which would allow the government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws. According to Trump, that would break up the cartel. He also wants to unleash our energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin’s drill baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence on foreign oil.
7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and prosperity in America. He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from entering and put controls on immigration. (And he says he’ll get Mexico to pay for the wall, which many have scoffed at, but given his business successes I wouldn’t put it past him.) He also wants to enforce our immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.
8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to stay here and foreign businesses to move here. The resulting influx of money to our nation would do wonders for our economy. He wants to make America the place to do business.
He also wants to lower the death tax and the taxes on capital gains and dividends. This would put more than $1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million jobs we’ve lost to the current tax system. He also wants to charge companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed.
And for citizens, he has a tax plan that would allow Americans to keep more of what they earn and spark economic growth. He wants to change the personal income tax to: · Up to $30,000 taxed at 1% · From $30,000 to $100,000 taxed at 5% · From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10% · $1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%
9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed. He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.” He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down. He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.
10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that America spends far more than it receives in revenue. He has said he believes that if we don’t stop increasing the national debt once it hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country.
11.) Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. He believes that the citizens have faithfully paid into the system to have these services available and that the American government has an obligation to fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits. Therefore, he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients. He disagrees with Democrats who think raising taxes is the answer and says that when you do that you stifle the economy. On the other hand, when you lower taxes and create an environment to help businesses they will grow, hire more workers, and those new workers will be paying taxes that become more tax revenue for the government.
12.) Trump also wants reform of the welfare state saying that America needs “a safety net, not a hammock.” He believes in a welfare to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage people to get back to work. And he wants a crackdown on entitlement fraud.
13.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.
14.) Trump opposes Common Core.
15.) Trump is now pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.
16.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.
17.) Trump’s view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states rights issue, not a federal issue.
18.) Trump supports the death penalty. He believes there is a lack of common sense in Washington He says it’s about seeing the unseen and that’s the kind of thinking we need to turn this country around.
John Ruffle [08/12/2015 5:29 PM]
Most of this makes a lot of sense. Someone needs to turn things around after the Obama nightmare years. But Hitler sounded good to the average German in 1933.
John Kissinger [08/12/2015 5:53 PM]
I Want to Vote for Donald Trump Just for Entertainment Value. Is That Wrong?
John Kissinger [08/12/2015 8:12 PM]
That wasn’t a debate, it was a badly written reality show. It was Fight Club for politicians. Kelly set them at each other’s throats and goaded them. She asked loaded, misleading questions and smeared Donald Trump every chance she got. That’s not why I watch a debate. I watch it for the issues at hand and to see how the candidates answer and handle those issues. If I wanted to watch Celebrity Politician, I would have gone somewhere else. Fox Fail. http://rightwingnews.com/media/over-25000-sign-petition-to-have-megyn-kelly-booted-from-future-gop-debates/
Jim Johns [08/13/2015 6:44 AM]
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/12/media/donald-trump-roger-ailes-avert-war/index.html
Публикувахте от American City Diner – Washington DC в Вторник, 11 август 2015 г.
James Price [08/13/2015 10:41 AM]
Almost every recommendation that Trump makes goes against the spirit of the gospel. A womanizer, a builder and operator of gambling casinos is now being promoted by conservative christians. How quickly we switch to our cowboy emotions and leave our christian principles behind.
Jim Johns [08/14/2015 12:59 PM]
Jon Sellers The first candidate is Donald Trump. Trump has been gaining a great deal of attention because he has been leading in the polls. Let’s be honest, The Donald would be getting attention no matter what. If you saw a guy with that hair in the grocery store it would get your attention, as would anyone who yells most everything he says and spouts off racist and objectionable phrases. http://trailerparklevite.blogspot.com/2015/08/how-dare-you-part-ii-thoughts-on-jeb.html
John Kissinger [12/15/2015 8:13 AM]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-face-of-criticism-trump-surges-to-his-biggest-lead-over-the-gop-field/2015/12/14/b9555e30-a29c-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html?wpisrc=nl_az_most
Varnel Watson
This is an old one if anyone cares to look at it again now that Clinton may face Trump if he gets GOP nomination Stan Wayne John Conger Ricky Grimsley Jon Sellers Jonathan Downie Can the USA survive a Trump presidency? Roger David Short answer: NO! http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/04/todd-starnes-crass-beat-class-but-nation-can-survive-trump-presidency.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Stan Wayne
Trade – Wall – Military Power – just saying no – bombing the heck out of Isis nonstop – coherent
Varnel Watson
Trump’s foreign policy, insofar as he has a coherent foreign policy, is by contrast an entire casserole of crazy. At various points in the campaign, he’s promised that he’d order the military to commit war crimes by torturing terrorists and killing their families; he’s called our core alliances in question; he’s pledged to remain neutral in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians; and he’s switched anti-ISIS strategies so many times that no one has the slightest clue what he’d do. This is a man who has on multiple occasions endorsed a “bomb them all and take their oil” strategy for fixing the war-torn Middle East. He’d alienate every Muslim ally America has, including the Kurds, and he’s still completely mystified by the most basic defense concepts Stan Wayne How do you feel the world would be a better place with his finger on the button?
Stan Wayne
He hires and delegates George Patton types rather than transvestites
Varnel Watson
You’re right. Glenn Beck too confirmed that Trump Supports Big Government. And When Conservatives Needed Allies, Donald Trump Sided with Obama http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430116/donald-trump-glenn-beck-progressive?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
Stan Wayne
Oh the agony – stop – do you believe God is orchestrating behind the scenes or not
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley has introduced us to open theism according to which even God is not very certain if Trump wins or Clinton
Stan Wayne
Stupid
Ricky Grimsley
Thanks but that is not my version of open theism. God is orchestrating this according to word. The powers that be are ordained of god romans 13 and he sets up kings daniel 2. I most certainly believe God knows who will be president in 2016 because he will make it happen. I do not believe however that he donald trump would be president 1000 years ago.
Varnel Watson
Trump vs Clinton. Clinton wins. Jon Sellers called it long ago 🙂
Stan Wayne
Wishful thinking – burn down the house – go home with my ball if I can’t play
Louise Cummings
I think it all from both sides is leading us in hard times. I think Donald Trump thinks he can do it. I have no confidence in Hillary Clinton I think this time it’s gonna have to be what second Chronicles 7:14 says. If God doesn’t do it. I think we are on per way to the fulfillment of the Bible.
Jon Sellers
Trump has won by cunning and deceit. A spirit of deception has gone out from him and deceived the nation including many Christians. We will soon see Trump pivot Left in order to attract Democrat voters. He will change his message, but not his style. He has engaged the biggest con in the history of the United States. By masquerading as a Republican and promising things he himself knows he cannot deliver and appealing to people’s anger and frustration and their real concerns, he has sold us a bill of goods.
None of his policies work. He knows nothing of foreign policy. He is wrong on trade, taxes, immigration and jobs. He offers populist appeals to anger and resentment, but no real world solutions.
Trump is a big government, establishment player, who just pulled off a massive fraud. He will now turn to the Washington establishment to fund his campaign because he himself does not have the $10 billion he claims. In his official statement he puts a $3 billion value on his name. That is vapor wealth. His actual available cash is probably less than a hundred million. He does not have the money to self fund his campaign. And he will want to be personally reimbursed for the money he loaned the campaign when he gets federal matching campaign money.
Trump will continue to use the politics of personal destruction against Hillary. She certainly is vulnerable in this regard. She really is corrupt Hillary. But there is a limit to what the national populace will endure in these terms. Hillary is adept at deflecting personal attacks and she is already showing how she can turn his attacks into strengths. So as Trump attacks her, her base will dig in and harden in support of her. And the more Trump attacks the more disgust the average American will feel toward him. People generally do not like dirty politics. And Trump only knows gutter politics.
In addition, Trump, Hillary and Bernie are all peas of the same pod, just with different sizes and coloration. Bernie is the most obvious big government, socialism promoting candidate. Hillary is not quite there, but is also in favor of centralized governmental solutions to everything, redistribution of wealth, more benefits, more control of business, banks, Wall St. etc. She is more status quo on trade and defense.
Trump is big government, central control and solution orientated with a heavy dose of authoritarianism. He will seek to be the most powerful President in history. He will seek to bypass Congress, the Supreme Court, and every check and balance built into our system. He does not know the Constitution, nor regard it with honor. He is worse than Obama in this regard. All his promises are predicated on control. He promises to bring back jobs from Mexico and China. But a President cannot force companies to do that unless he resorts to authoritarian controls. He could use tax incentives or punishments. But the truth is that jobs have been outsourced overseas for decades and if you retain a free market that will continue. If you want a fascist government then you can stop it. But you can’t have freedom and government control at the same time. Whatever he tries, it will not work, it is likely unConstiutional and it certainly is not going to pass Congress.
Trump has offered many promises from defeating ISIS to stopping Muslim immigration. He has offered no real world solutions to effect these promises. He ends every promise with “believe me”. My question is why should I? Why should I believe a man who has lied about every aspect of his own life, his successes, other candidates, the Republican Party, the country and can’t keep his story straight from one day to the next.
The only thing Trump has been good at is identifying the hot buttons of disaffected Republicans and destroying both Republicans and the party. He is not my kind of President and I will not be supporting him.
Stan Wayne
It is the people – the people know Trump- the people want Trump – the people do not want business as usual Republicans – I voted – I was not deceived
Jon Sellers
The people do not know Trump. In all my discussions about Trump, whenever I bring up facts about his past, his statements, his real wealth, his real business failures, his inadequate policies, all his supporters begin to tell me of the wonderful things he will accomplish. Based on what? It is all based on his promises? But there is no substance and no history to give it credibility.
People think he will do what he promises, but in truth he cannot. We do not have a totalitarian society. Trump’s promises are predicated on unlimited executive power. That is unacceptable.
Stan, you summed it up.
“Trade – Wall – Military Power – just saying no – bombing the heck out of Isis nonstop – coherent”
“He hires and delegates George Patton types rather than transvestites”
Really? These are his claims, but we have nothing from that is real in regard to paying for any of it. Nor is his analysis of trade even close to real world. Who has he hired that you know of? His campaign proved themselves inept. His kids run his companies better than he did.
What do you really know about Trump except what he has told you. Do you know how he got his wealth and almost lost it all? Do you know the dirty deals he did to survive? Do you know his many infidelities? Do you know his decades of vacillating in issues? Do you know his decades of buying establishment favors?
Obama won in spite of his inadequate past because people believed what he told them. The same is happening with Trump.
Jon Sellers
The article says, “For example, Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.”
Every economist says this kind of plan will create massive tariff wars and make trade very difficult. Americans will end up losing exports and jobs and will pay much higher prices for everything because tariffs are paid the people importing goods, that is American companies and they will pass costs on to American consumers.
John Conger
agree Jon Sellers pie in the sky promises.
Jon Sellers
It says, “15.) Trump is now pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.
16.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.
Both of these positions are recent adoptions he made in order to run as a Republican. Trump has been pro-choice all his life. He is a crafty politician who has proven to be one who will say anything, including the most outrageous lies in order to get votes. Cruz’s father was with Oswald and involved in killing JFK according to Trump. If that isn’t a red flag for Christians who value truth I don’t know what is.
Trump has favored restricting gun ownership all his life. New York values. Can he be trusted to be sincere??? Wait till he begins to turn Left in order to win the general election. You will be amazed what he says.
Jon Sellers
“9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed. He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.” He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down. He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.”
Trump has favored single payer systems for decades. He said during this campaign that he likes the individual mandate, which is the heart of Obamacare. He also said that everyone would be covered. So how is that not what Obamacare promises. Is Trump’s solution a single payer system like Canada as he has praised in the past?
Stan Wayne
You guys are mental – you would flip if you heard of the Synoptic problem
Jon Sellers
I am very familiar with the synoptic problem. It is not a problem that arises out of deception and lies. It does not arise out of personal aggrandizement. It is more of a cultural divide between us and them, than any issue with truth.
Trump is all about deception and personal aggrandizement.
Jon Sellers
How can you defend a man who contradicts all the values you hold dear?
Stan Wayne
Like I say you don’t get him – you haven’t been good at predicting his demise so far so why believe you prophetic gift now – only time can prove this one – just as it did yesterday
Jon Sellers
But I never claimed it was a prophetic word. It was always my opinion and my hope. He is not President yet. We will see. If God is merciful to this country he will deliver us from both Trump and Hillary.
Jon Sellers
Every lie promoted by Trump, his good friend Mr. Pecker who publishes the National Enquirer and Mr. Stone, another good friend and advisor to Trump – every lie they have promoted about Ted Cruz has been bought hook, line and sinker by Christians. I believe it is a real spirit of deception that has gone out from Trump to deceive the nation and Christians did not discern it. They did not practice grace or love. They did not question the source (the National Enquirer is not known for journalistic integrity) and they did not research. Then you had the crazy conspiracy people who distorted Heidi Cruz’s role at the Council on Foreign Relations. And they looked at Glenn Beck and began to again spout all kinds of crazy theories about Ted Cruz because of Beck. So instead of taking the man at his word, they would rather believe every scurrilous lie made about him. That is a serious error.
I heard Christians says they could tell by looking at Cruz something was not right. They could tell by his voice something was wrong. They could see a problem in his marriage by the way he or Heidi did or did not act a certain way in some video clip for 5 seconds. The gullibility and lack of common sense of Christians in this campaign have been horrific. And then they give Trump a pass on all his absolute debased accusations, slanders, lies and insults hurled at everyone. It has to be demonic deception at a high level!
We are dealing with spiritual wickedness in high places. What more powerful place do demons want to influence than the Presidency of the United States???
Terry Wiles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/27/jerry-falwell-jr-heres-the-backstory-of-why-i-endorsed-donald-trump/?postshare=4201462411205622&tid=ss_fb-bottom
Jon Ray
http://cupandcross.com/2016-national-day-of-prayer/
Stan Wayne
Good idea above ^^^
Varnel Watson
I for one think the guy is dead wrong http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/did-this-pastors-hear-from-god-about-trump
Michael Postlethwait
I can certainly appreciate why many aren’t excited about the prospect of a Trump presidency. What I don’t understand however is how many apparently believe that Clinton is the lesser of two evils. I think the damage she would do to the judiciary for generations to come would far surpasses anything Trump may do on his worst day in office. Furthermore, I suspect Trump will be on a much shorter leash with Congress than Clinton if for no other reason than not wanting to be labeled misogynist.
Varnel Watson
What’s up with this post on a fine Sunday afternoon? Stan Wayne Carl Murphy I read one stats where Trump is leading by 4% and another where he is trailing Hillary from afar
Gilberto Rosado
What does this have to do with this group?
Varnel Watson
Pls review http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-cumulative-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency-prophetic-warnings-vs-prophetic-words/
Gilberto Rosado
Still do not see why any political stance has anything to do with Pentecostal THEOLOGY. smh
Michael Postlethwait
Gilberto Rosado While politics and theology are not identical, they do influence each other. The amount of liberty we have affects how we express and practice our faith within society. This is true in the Pentecostal dimensions as well
Varnel Watson
Political theology is a part of both political philosophy and theology that investigates the ways in which theological concepts or ways of thinking relate to politics, society, and economics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_theology
Gilberto Rosado
It is not “part” of theology. It may be part of political thinking but not theological thinking as it refers to Pentecostalism.
Gilberto Rosado
Theology has a definition as well and politics is not a consideration. So according to your referenced definitions, this group, your article and blog, for that matter, should be renamed Political Theology – not Pentecostal Theology. Just sayin’ brothers…just sayin’
Carl Murphy
Honestly I believe Christians should vote their conscience, they should not invoke God to beat others over the head. It is as bad to me as Westboro Baptist Church, a bunch of clowns that are religious but in my opinion certainly not following Luke 9:23. Being followers of Christ and not Judaizers that say you much vote this way are you are not a Christian. Or bestowing the title of “God’s man” on someone is not our job. Would you like a man like the pastor of Westboro Baptist to be president? He certainly presidents himself as a man of God. I am friends with several of the Conn’s should we conform to their beliefs, there being as many doctrines as there are Conn’s which one do we chose? No let God speak to each of us, individually and guide us. I am reminded of the words of the president of the AG Bible College I received a degree in Bible from. If God had a message for me, he knows me, he knows my heart and he knows where I am, he doesn’t have to leave a message with the neighbors.
Michael Postlethwait
Carl, I can go with you partway on your point. I agree that we as Christians probably put too much emphasis on the political process as a means for accomplishing God’s will as New Testament saints. On the other hand, I do not necessarily expect everything God has to say to me to come to me individually. Otherwise, there would be no place in gods economy for the prophetic. I think first Thessalonians 5:19 is equally instructive here. We do not get to choose the method God uses to speak to us, but we must have the humility to at least be willing to discern if and when God is speaking through his people. We may not like having that responsibility of discernment, but not liking it does not exempt us from it
Carl Murphy
And I can agree with you to this point, true prophets are few and far between and are usually not TV personalities or even preachers. Years ago I was praying after a Sunday evening service for an answer that was not forthcoming. I knelt quietly between the pews and prayed, not uttering an audible sound. When I sat up and old man that was behind me, leaned forward with his big rough hand on my shoulder and softy whispered in my hear not just what I was praying about but how God would answer. Sure enough it happened just as he said. On the other hand I have no use for John Hagee or Perry Stone or any of the other day it and pass the plate preachers.
Michael Postlethwait
You will not get any argument from me on that, but reasons different than you might think. I am a Partial Preterist eschatologically, so I have little use for their teaching!
Varnel Watson
Sorry we woke you up from your afternoon nap ol man but this is confusing. What is a good stat for the race as called by Jon Sellers
Varnel Watson
Gilberto Rosado on the contrary brother. It seems that politics is forcing us toward a Pentecostal Theology of #TRUMP We have 5 prophecies from Pentecostals vs. 5 warning words against it. Prophetic WARNINGS:
– MICHAEL L BROWN SHARES WHY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/michael-l-brown-shares-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-trump/
– MAX LUCADO: DECENCY FOR PRESIDENCY http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/max-lucado-decency-for-presidency/
– Wall Street Journal: A SERIOUS REBUKE TO #EVANGELICALS SUPPORTING #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-serious-rebuke-to-evangelicals-supporting-trump/
– WHAT CHRISTIANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/
– 5 REASONS CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/
Prophetic WORDS:
1. THE TRUMP OF GOD (1 TH. 4:16) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE 7TH TRUMPET OF REV. 11:15-13:18. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-trump-of-god-1-th-416-is-not-the-same-as-the-7th-trumpet-of-rev-1115-1318/
2. A 2ND PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT TRUMP: FROM TRUMP TO TRIUMPH http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-2nd-prophetic-dream-about-trump-from-trump-to-triumph/
3. Vehement protests against Donald Trump are the work of the enemy 6:0:https://www.facebook.com/groups/thelogy/permalink/978481735540175/
4. PRESIDENT NIXON WITH 1987 PROPHETIC LETTER: TRUMP WILL BE PRESIDENT http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/president-nixon-with-1987-prophetic-letter-trump-will-be-president/
5. SHOULD PENTECOSTALS PRAY FOR DONALD TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-pentecostals-pray-for-donald-trumps-presidency-many-were-shocked/
Finaly, DONALD TRUMP peresonally: ‘NOBODY READS THE BIBLE MORE THAN ME’ http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/donald-trump-nobody-reads-the-bible-more-than-me/ For the whole discussion pls see http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-cumulative-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency-prophetic-warnings-vs-prophetic-words/ Thanks Michael Postlethwait
Jon Sellers
Thanks for collecting these in one place.
Jon Sellers
The OT prophets dealt with national politics all the time. So we must understand how the gospel and Christian witness relates to our own politics today.
Carl Murphy
The nation of Israel was a theocracy not a democracy.
Stan Wayne
We don’t have OT prophets but we should have NT ones who not NAR nuts and who speak about spiritual things
Varnel Watson
So why is Trump being discussed as anti-Semitic after his Hillary-FBI ad? Jon Sellers you’ve got it brother. There’s several other “outstanding” sources but Carl Murphy used his senior wisdom to talk me out of paying them much attention for which I am grateful Stan Wayne Did this pastor hear from God about #TRUMP? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/did-this-pastor-hear-from-god-about-trump/
Gilberto Rosado
By whom?
Varnel Watson
Gilberto Rosado come again?
Gilberto Rosado
The statement you just made…
Varnel Watson
This? – why is Trump being discussed as anti-Semitic after his Hillary-FBI ad?
Gilberto Rosado
Troy Day yes…
Varnel Watson
Gilberto Rosado Keep up now 🙂 Trump tweet evoking anti-Semitic imagery first posted on fringe message board http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/donald-trump-tweet-graphic-star-hillary-clinton/
Gilberto Rosado
Did you bother to view the video?
Gilberto Rosado
We already know that Trump isn’t the only one tweeting on his account…
Varnel Watson
Yes, yesterdays and todays. Plus the new tweet https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/749261175968436224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Gilberto Rosado
But of course we are way off topic of Pentecostal Theology – right?
Ricky Grimsley
To win so much we get tired of winning. Lol
Varnel Watson
Not really. Not if we are still considering who endorsed Trump among our own Pentecostals churches, our own current stand on Israel (and Palestine) and how our own eschatology is changing with all that Jon Sellers
Ricky Grimsley
I think this issue says alot about the people’s theology and the state of the church.
Gilberto Rosado
I know who supports Trump – American citizens regardless of their theological views. Because they render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s.
Varnel Watson
Not e serious comment. On a more serious note Charles Page renders to Little Caesar’s what is Little Caesar’s Alan N Carla Smith
Gilberto Rosado
Ricky Grimsley It says nothing about one’s theology. You fail to consider that many may keep one separate from the other.
Ricky Grimsley
I disagree. The fact that you believe something this important should be separated from your theology…says alot about your theology. As ambassadors for christ why should ministers endorse a candidate. Especially when we disagree on who should be president. It just causes division. God sets up kings anyway. Perhaps hillary is God’s choice for us to end the world already. The fact remains that neither are moral and neither are Christian. Putting christianity into just makes us liable to the lost later.
Gilberto Rosado
You totally, misunderstand my stance – I am in complete agreement. I am speaking about the laity in my posit.
Varnel Watson
Gilberto Rosado How can we keep them separate when we are commanded to pray THY KINGDOM COME?
Gilberto Rosado
And what is His kingdom?
Varnel Watson
Maybe you can tell us about the Kingdom, but what I know for sure is that Trump is not and shall not be no Caesar. God forbid!
Gilberto Rosado
Alright Troy..let us be at peace. I like your blog design, by the way. Continued success to you!
Varnel Watson
Hey I dont necessarily disagree with you. It’s jsut bad theology to keep God out of politics (and other stuff). I hope Trump wins but then again I just dont see it going his way as easy as Stan Wayne does in wishful thinking. I’ll look you up when next in NY and we will go visit Trump Tower – all right 🙂
Stan Wayne
Ok
Ricky Grimsley
I dont see why you would separate politics from theology especially if you are openly endorsing someone. How many ministers have flocked to trump and even say he is a christian. Look at the past. What is the basis as a christian to even be involved in the process. Are we not ambassadors for christ?
Varnel Watson
AND How many Christians have already voted for #TRUMP? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-many-christians-have-already-voted-for-trump/
Charles Page
Trump is going to make America great again
Varnel Watson
If he wins. Trump, Clinton, or Neither: How Evangelicals Are Expected to Vote …
http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/may/trump-clinton-neither-how-evangelical-expected-to-vote.html
Ricky Grimsley
If we could be partaker of someone’s evil deeds for “bidding them God speed” how much more for voting them in to leader of the free world?
Mary Ellen Nissley
The common denominators among Trump supporters are these:
1. Fear
2. Authoritarianism
Charles Page
Common denominator among Halliarysupporters are fear of
1) truth
2) white males
Mary Ellen Nissley
<–is neither a Trump supporter nor a Hillary supporter.
Charles Page
Proud Pentecostal Trump supporters
Mary Ellen Nissley
Yes, I would expect so. the authoritarianism is quite pronounced.
Ricky Grimsley
I support neither.
Ricky Grimsley
America wont ever be great again unless we undo all the evil.
Charles Page
No it is not Trump’s job to make America great morally again
Mary Ellen Nissley
Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.
If America does not repent of her sin, she has no right to expect God to help her be great again.
Furthermore, if a Christian trusts in an unrighteous political leader to make America great again, bypassing the repentance factor… that Christian is putting his faith more in that man, than in God.
Charles Page
What if that is an unrighteousness woman like Hillary or Palin?
Mary Ellen Nissley
No difference than if it were an unrighteous man.
Ricky Grimsley
I think its all moot since all but one of our presidents were descendants of English royalty. I highly doubt that it’s coincidence.
Stan Wayne
Probably everyone with an English parent is related to King Arthur, right? Or at least Robin Hood
Mary Ellen Nissley
My son is a genealogist, and is working on an encyclopedia of all the descendants of my Great Grandfather.
He says that every European will find themselves related to Cromwell.
Also, almost all Europeans have Middle Eastern blood in them, due to the advance of the Ottoman Empire.
And almost everyone is related to royalty.
It’s like the African Americans. In the days of slavery, the owners could use their slave women as they wished… and their offspring were still considered black.
There is very little chance of finding a descendant of an American slave, that has no Caucasian blood in them.
And in Europe, the landed gentry (who were all related to royalty) were notorious for fathering children among the peasantry.
Varnel Watson
Wonder if Henry Volk is right that ultra-conservative Trump supporters will be disappointed by his presidency, because Trump is starting to show his true liberal colors. That’s not a bad thing in the least.
Ira Huth
http://patriotjournal.com/breaking-trump-stuns-america-appoints-mike-huckabee-as-the-next/
Nelson Banuchi
To the OP question: probably to place everyone under his feet and rule with impunity…
Varnel Watson
The president-elect appears to have changed his tune since a 2012 Tweet in which he referred to the Electoral College as a “disaster for a democracy,” and some people are calling him out. https://twitter.com/i/moments/798554953459650560
Nelson Banuchi
Of course, he won…
Ira Huth
Maybe he is human and not perfect after all. And is learning like all of us. Just saying!
Nelson Banuchi
Apparently, he hasn’t learned anything yet; doesn’t look like he’s even trying to learn…jus’ say’n…
Ira Huth
We will see !!!!!
Nelson Banuchi
No argument here…
Ira Huth
Romans 8:28 Our God is still in control
Varnel Watson
In his first interview for Wall Street Journal (#WSJ) Donald Trump says he
(1) will ‘think about’ and may not prosecuting Hillary Clinton
(2) will retain and may use parts of Obama care
(3) will deport 3,000,000 illegal immigrants when in office
What to expect he flips on next?
Joseph D. Absher
Are you a hater? Or a participator? Or an instigator? Or just an old busy body?
I think rational people know who we elected. We elected a cad but he’s an American cad. Get over it already.
Ira Huth
Was watching a interview on Fox with legal experts and Mayor Rudy Guiliani when asked about prosecuting Hillary he said tough call because it would look like they would be doing it for political revenge but on the otherhand they should enforce the law with anyone who breaks the law. And he said just that he will think about it weighing all actual evidence and pros and cons, some which is not available to the public.
2. If you go to the gop website I think it is gopplan/gov.com the Reublicians have a replacement plan in which they have kept parts of obama care. This has been discussed and inplace way before Trump was even running..
3. What illegal immigrants will be deported the refregees and the ones that have criminal records that was not processed correctly? We dont know yet they have to work on a plan to do it.
They are not even in office yet!!!!!
Some people will crtitize not totally understanding and or others will not get all the facts. And some people will and can get caught up in it like I have in the past. The bottom line is IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD OF RUN THE ELECTION. WE HAVE ALOT OF PROBLEMS, ISIS AND TERRIOSTISTS IN EVERY STATE OF OUR COUNTRY, 20 TRILLION IN DEBIT, HERE IS A BIG ONE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, CAREER POLITICIANS ON AND ON IT GOES. ANYONE THAT GETS ELECTED INCLUDING TRUMP WILL ALWAYS DO THINGS THAT WE DONT AGREE WITH, IF OUR FACTS ARE CORRECT AND RIGHTLY DIVIDED. NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. THE SCRIPTURES TELLS US OUR GOD USES GOOD AND BAD FOR HIS PURPOSES. HIS WAYS AND HIS THOUGHTS ARE HIGHER THAN OURS. WE ARE TO SPEAK GODS WORD IN THE FRUIT OF SPIRIT IN THE FRUIT OF LOVE EVEN IN WRONG AND BAD. WE ARE TO PRAY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT AND ALL OF OUR LEADERS PRAYING AND SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL AND IS COMING BACK.THEN WE WILL ALL ALL ALL BE JUDGE ACCORDING TO THE BOOKS. WHAT A DAY THAT WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ira Huth
Joseph D. Absher
22 TRILLION
Dolores Robinson Volk
The popular vote doesn’t work. Thank God!
Varnel Watson
Electoral college is yet to speak on Dec. 19, but here’s a question with the other candidate at least we knew the Church would be in opposition. What do we know church’s position with this candidate? Isnt wordily infiltration in the church that seems spiritual but has nothing to do with the Spirit exactly what the Spirit speaks against in Revelation?
Karen Lucas
Did y’all see this yet?
Varnel Watson
The electoral college is the most beautiful thing.
And to tell you the truth its huge.
And I will build it and Mexico will pay for it.
And it will be wonderful.
But not before settling out of court with my own Trump University so I will not be impeached from office before ever moving into the White House #moneINtheBANK
Scotty Searan
I am fine with President Trumps plans.9
Varnel Watson
from what we;ve seen thus fat about 0 to none Robert
Terry Wiles
DT’s tweet “electoral college is a disaster for democracy” is true.
We are founded a republic. The EC keeps us from being a democracy where majority rules.
Without it the big city’s would already have us bound into socialism.
Varnel Watson
I am re-reading this 2015-2016 PT post and am deeply surprised how perfectly right it was for what followed #theology
Varnel Watson
Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi I’ve been away cause I went to see the invisible F-35 🙂 https://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=12514