Why I left IHOP Church

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Peter A Vandever | PentecostalTheology.com

               

I just finished my writing of the draft for the new e-book. This one will cause me some friends 🙂

I just finished my writing of the draft for the new e-book. This one will cause me some friends :)

John Kissinger [08/15/2015 8:35 AM]
Have you read their book on #PRAYER – from this yrs conference?

Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 8:37 AM]
I havent….. I love Mike but I doubt I agree with much of what it says. Prayer without evangelism will kill you spiritually.

John Kissinger [08/15/2015 8:38 AM]
yeah – there’s lots of controversy there; but the book on prayer is worth. We had a good discussion about it if you look in the archives http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/new-book-on-prayer/

Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 8:43 AM]
I was there in the early days…. IHOP lost the way by getting too strong on end times.

John Kissinger [08/15/2015 9:07 AM]
do you mean eschatologically?

Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 9:08 AM]
IHOP has turned into an eternal bible study on Revelation. Mike also believes you are demonized if you believe in the Pre-trib rapture.

John Kissinger [08/15/2015 9:09 AM]
What do they believe then?

Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 9:11 AM]
They are completely post trib all the way and think only they are right.

John Kissinger [08/15/2015 9:12 AM]
post-trib or post-mil – what exactly do they believe?

Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 9:14 AM]
POST all the way. Sent you a message.

John Kissinger [08/15/2015 11:26 AM]
cause you or cost you in the title?

Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 11:40 AM]
LOL

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:44 AM]
is it published yet?

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:44 AM]
is it published yet?

Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 11:50 AM]
I am editing it now. I spend you a chapter of it the other day.

Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 11:50 AM]
I am editing it now. I spend you a chapter of it the other day.

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:57 AM]
Yes. We need to develop a brief printed publication with papers from authors in the group. What ya’ll think?

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:57 AM]
Yes. We need to develop a brief printed publication with papers from authors in the group. What ya’ll think?

Pentecostal Theology [08/18/2015 12:00 PM]
that would be GREAT

Pentecostal Theology [08/18/2015 12:00 PM]
that would be GREAT

Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 12:01 PM]
pricy to do

Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 12:01 PM]
pricy to do

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 12:29 PM]
not really – Amazon has great options for that…

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 12:29 PM]
not really – Amazon has great options for that…

Timothy Carter [08/20/2015 7:28 AM]
Peter A Vandever Have you ever been published before? I have. It is thrilling – Right?

Peter A Vandever [08/20/2015 9:12 AM]
I have two books done now. http://www.amazon.com/Spread-FIRE-Peter-Vandever-ebook/dp/B008L5YV9C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1440076352&sr=8-2&keywords=peter+vandever

Timothy Carter [08/20/2015 10:18 AM]
Cool cover photo. Any feedback yet?

53 Comments

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    RT Peter Vandever For all those who have been part of houses of prayer because of the influence of IHOPKC, now is not the time to leave the house of prayer because of discouragement or disillusionment. It’s the time to run TO the house of prayer! https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-i-left-ihop-church/

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    We are heartbroken to share that we have recently become aware of serious allegations including sexual immorality directed against Mike Bickle, the founder of IHOPKC. Our leadership team takes these allegations very seriously and we are laboring for truth, light, redemption, and righteousness.

    IHOPKC Executive Leadership Team Statement https://fox4kc.com/news/ihop-founder-investigated-for-sexual-immorality/

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day that’s a shame

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Brett Dobbs ???

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    Dwayne Roberts and Brian Kim, former IHOPKC Executive Leadership Team Members and Board Members and Wes Martin, Former Forerunner Christian Fellowship Pastor and IHOPU employee released a statement concerning claims made against Bickle. The statement was posted on the website of the Florianópolis House of Prayer. It is a Brazilian church Roberts founded in 2013.

    In the statement released Saturday, the three former church leaders said they informed current IHOPKC leadership about “serious allegations” involving Bickle. They claim the accusations against Bickle are sexual in nature. They claim Bickle sexually abused church members for decades which are credible based on the “collective and corroborating testimony” of several alleged victims.

    When these allegations were brought to our attention, we were shocked. We could never have imagined that inappropriate conduct with women as something we would ever need to be concerned about. The allegations seemed out of character to the man we thought we knew, but they were so serious we could not ignore them.”

    Former IHOPKC Executive Leadership Team

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    “As difficult as this is for many, we are trusting in Jesus’ wise and good leadership to help and strengthen us as we anchor our hope in Him,” IHOP’s leadership team said in a statement. IHOPKC opened in Grandview in 1999.

    It also operates International House of Prayer University. People from around the world have come to the Kansas City-area to attend IHOPU. The organization says it’s mission is to train leaders through prayer and worship to prepare them for the return of Jesus.

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    I just finished my writing of the draft for the new e-book. This one will cause me some friends 🙂

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – IHOP has always been post-trib. I did a 4 month internship at the base in KC.

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Ben Bottke so did Peter Vandever did you ever meet him? What is going on with this church right very now?

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – can you respond to my message to you on Facebook messenger? We’re not Facebook friends so you’ll have to find my message. We can become Facebook friends if you like.

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – it looks like I can’t send you a friend request. I can only follow you.

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – What would you like to know about IHOP? Maybe you can send me some articles, posts, videos, etc. to show me what you’ve seen.

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – I was really into IHOP for a while. From the summer of 2006 to around 2011. I’ve listened to a lot of their teachings. I was a part of getting a house of prayer off the ground here where I live. We tried to model it after IHOP. We used their model of worship & prayer they call harp & bowl and followed their 2 part manual for houses of prayer.

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    Philip Williams Jesuit or freemason?

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day I’m not a Bicklite!

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Philip Williams you regret it as much as Peter Vandever ?

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day say it ain’t so, Joe!

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

    Yes, those who pursue biblical truth will leave groups like IHOP II Tim. 2:15.

    • Reply November 1, 2023

      Anonymous

      Duane L Burgess what do you know about all this Ben Bottke ?

  • Reply November 1, 2023

    Anonymous

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Jeffrey Snyder it is hard to follow what you said because you are all over the place
    is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what?

    Jeffrey Snyder
    I remember (which in itself is a miracle of God) reading something similar when they were discussing a teaching using Songs of Solomon that Jesus is the woman/wife’s boyfriend. The 24hr prayer- a good work. The cultish undergirding a sorrowful outcome.

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    it is hard to follow what Peter Vandever said because he seems upset now with them –
    is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what?

    I was part of the IHOP movement from 1999-2004 (off and on) and this is what I saw from an insider’s point of view.
    https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/i-was-part-of-the-ihop-movement-from-1999-2004/

    5yrs over 20+ years ago does NOT bring ANY current perspective IMHO

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Philip Williams it is hard for Duane L Burgess to follow what you said because you are all over the place is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what? are you ONLY talking about BETHEL or the whole movement including ihopKC https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/bethel-redding-is-a-very-cool-church/

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Philip Williams since you are ignoring the real question here posting on minutia items I Will straight forward and directly address it for Duane L Burgess Peter Vandever and Ben Bottke NOT sure if Link Hudson has enough knowledge

      Primary issues with IHOP: Heresy (New Apostolic Reformation – NAR), false teachers/heretics, women “pastors”/preachers

      From my article God’s Not Like “Whatever, Dude,” About The Way He’s Approached in Worship:…

      Bethel “Church” in Redding, California, and IHOP are, functionally, ground zero for the New Apostolic Reformation heresy. Heresy. Not, “They just have a more expressive, contemporary style of worship,”. Not, “It’s a secondary theological issue we can agree to disagree on.” Heresy. Denial of the deity of Christ. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Demonstrably false prophecy that the head of IHOP, Mike Bickle, has publicly rejoiced in (He estimates that 80% of IHOP’s “prophecies” are false.) And that’s just the tip of our metaphorical ice berg when it comes to the NAR.

      IHOP and Bethel are, by biblical definition, not Christian organizations and certainly not Christian churches. They are pagan centers of idol worship just as much as the Old Testament temples of Baal were. The only difference is that, instead of being creative and coming up with their own name for their god, they’ve stolen the name Jesus and blasphemously baptized their idol with that moniker.

      https://michellelesley.com/2020/07/24/the-international-house-of-prayer-ihop-mike-bickle/

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Duane L Burgess Philip Williams Peter Vandever Ben Bottke Terry Wiles https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/bethel-church-glory-cloud-and-gold-glitter-investigation-and-responce/

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    it is hard to follow what Link Hudson said about pos-trib because he seems upset now with them – is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what? Does this mean he approves of the whole praxis @ ihopKC or just post-mil What about the approval of NAR leadership with Ted Cruse

    Here is MY take on it – #IHOP-KC has moved to a post-trib eschatology

    Finally able to locate in my notes collections, the handout from #IHOP-KC and confirm what Peter A Vandever was talking about their move toward post-trib eschatology Rick Wadholm Jr

    #IHOP-KC has moved to a post-trib eschatology Finally able to locate in my notes collections, the handout from #IHOP-KC and confirm what Peter A Vandever was talking about their move toward post-trib eschatology Rick Wadholm Jr https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Ben Bottke my brother – I am not certain what you are saying or doing? SO o follow what you said because you are all over the place is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what? are you ONLY talking about KC ??!? or the whole movement including ihop church and Bethel?
    ====
    I was really into IHOP for a while. From the summer of 2006 to around 2011. I’ve listened to a lot of their teachings. I was a part of getting a house of prayer off the ground here where I live. We tried to model it after IHOP. We used their model of worship & prayer they call harp & bowl and followed their 2 part manual for houses of prayer.

    manual for houses of prayer IS the same thing Terry Wiles released from the BROWNSVILLE REVIVAL that Peter Vandever Gary Micheal Epping had never seen before though they claim acquaintance for some times. Means they were just visitors and not participants. Were you JUST a visitor too? https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/brownsville-revival-deliverance-nar-manuals/

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Ben Bottke my original question was about you knowing and/or supporting or disregarding THAT #IHOP-KC has moved to a post-trib eschatology https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Ben Bottke my next question was WHEN MIKE #BICKLE OF #IHOP JUST ENDORSED #TEDCRUZ Were there for that one? Were you in full support of it AND Israel at the same time/ https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/mike-bickle-of-ihop-just-endorsed-ted-cruz/

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day A formerly AG pastor at a church associated with an IHOP in Lawrenceville GA as of about 4 or 5 years ago said they believed in post trib or historical premillenialism.

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson old and unconfirmed info as usual of course Ben Bottke do you have insider knowledge when they changed their Trib stance ?

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day No, I had a conversation with a pastor at Newbridge, now Gateway in Lawrenceville some time around 2018 or 2019.

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson IHOPs move to post-trib/post-mil was cir. SEPT 2016 https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day good for them.

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson yeah NOT so good as we can see right about now !

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day troubles they are going through aren’t because of post-trib eschatology.

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – I started listening to IHOP teachings in 2006. Since then they have been very strongly post-trib. And they are very focused on end times. They used to preach on it at least 1x/week. Their weekend services were:
      Friday: Intimacy
      Saturday: End-times
      Sunday: Various subjects
      (Friday & Saturdays subjects might be flipped around. It’s been a while.)

      Where did you get the information from that said IHOP recently changed their position to be post-trib?

    • Reply November 3, 2023

      Anonymous

      Ben Bottke 👍

    • Reply November 3, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson guessUdono

    • Reply November 3, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day Don’t know what? I saw a Michael Brown video on something a couple of days ago, first I’d heard of it, but it has nothing to do with pretrib.

      I don’t agree with flippant attitudes towards false prophecy, but that doesn’t have much to do with eschatology. I’m sure I can think of pretribbers who had affairs or worse.

    • Reply November 3, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson what going through as related to their post-trib eschatology

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Ben Bottke HOW many women total have come out ? Peter Vandever knows 2mo International House of Prayer Kansas City founder Mike Bickle has agreed to step away from public ministry as he is investigated SAYS misconduct by multiple women Peter Vandever so have been claims toward many other TV evangelists – To be clear, the allegations made about Mike Bickle’s misconduct were sexual in nature where the marriage covenant was not honored. Furthermore, the allegations made also reveal that Mike Bickle used his position of spiritual authority over the victims to manipulate them https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3Ad5880c52-be86-3dd3-8aa6-ec71974efceb

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – oh, I wasn’t aware of the allegations against Mike Bickle. Why didn’t you tell me that yesterday when you were talking with me?

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day – could you send me any other videos, articles, documents, etc. about the situation?

    • Reply November 3, 2023

      Anonymous

      Ben Bottke all in the comments here I do know Peter Vandever know a couple but not allowed to say Did you not meet any of the individuals involved while you were studying there or if you were ever present?

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Terry Wiles your book and I would like to offer All PERRY Stone Teachings on the TRIBULATOIN to correct the wrong views Gary Micheal Epping Ben Bottke have received from iHOP Peter Vandever has changed to pre-trib while Ricky Grimsley is still way out there on the next asteroid 3rd rock for the moon … #FAKEblueBeam https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/all-perry-stone-teachings-on-the-tribulation/

  • Reply November 2, 2023

    Anonymous

    Another matter related to full disclosure is my personal relationship with Mike Bickle. Some will insist that because of our friendship I’m incapable of providing you with an objective perspective and that I will gloss over significant problems at IHOP. I doubt if there is anything I can say that will put to rest the fears of some critics. So I won’t try. What I will say is that Mike is one of my dearest, most beloved, and deeply cherished friends. That doesn’t mean he and I agree on everything, as you’ll shortly see. But it does mean that I know him better than most. My wife and I were part of a small accountability group for nearly seven years that included Mike, his wife Diane, and two other couples who were part of the senior leadership of the church before IHOP was launched. There isn’t much we don’t know about each other, our children, and our struggles. When we moved back to Kansas City in 2004, I was not officially a part of IHOP, but both my wife and I were regularly present for the prayer meetings, conferences, and other gatherings. When Mike’s brother, Pat, went to be with the Lord in 2007, Mike gave me the privilege and honor of officiating his funeral service. https://www.samstorms.org/enjoying-god-blog/post/what-should-we-think-about-the-international-house-of-prayer–ihop–and-mike-bickle-part-one

    • Reply November 2, 2023

      Anonymous

      @sam Storms have chosen to reflect A POINT-BY-POINT RESPONSE TO THE FILM, “CESSATIONIST” – PART FIFTEEN – #15 instead of addressing the ihop FIRE – prior to the scandal Sam wrote in pre-pandemix 2019 From 1993-2000 I served as Mike Bickle’s associate pastor at what was first Metro Vineyard Fellowship in Kansas City, later called Metro Christian Fellowship. I also served as the President of our full-time Bible school, Grace Training Center. I was present when the 24-7 prayer movement first began. In May of 1999, we initially met at midnight on Friday and prayed and worshipped until 8:00 a.m. on Saturday. In September of 1999, the House of Prayer moved to 24 hours of prayer, 7 days a week. I was on its Board of Directors when the House of Prayer began, but resigned about a year later after having moved to Wheaton, Illinois, where I taught theology at Wheaton College from 2000-2004. My resignation was entirely due to the logistical challenges of serving actively on a board while living a considerable distance from the ministry. https://www.samstorms.org/enjoying-god-blog/post/what-should-we-think-about-the-international-house-of-prayer–ihop–and-mike-bickle-part-one

  • Reply November 20, 2023

    Anonymous

    Alleged Victim 1
    According to the Complaint Group this victim claims Bickle “emotionally pursued and ‘prophetically manipulated’ her. The relationship happened more than 25 years ago, prior to IHOPKC’s founding. The relationship was not sexual, according to the information IHOPKC said it received.
    Alleged Victim 2
    IHOPKC said it was able to at least partially confirm this victim’s claims against Bickle. The allegation is form 26 years ago, also before IHOPKC was founded. The allegations include physical contact between Bickle and the alleged victim. While it is also insinuated that a crime was involved in the relationship, IHOPKC said it has not been able to confirm that claim.
    Alleged Victim 3
    The information IHOPKC provided shows this victim claimed Bickle pursued her emotionally and by “prophetic manipulation” from 2013-2018. The woman then issued a public statement on Nov. 2, 2023, that she was not a victim of Bickle’s.
    Alleged Victim 4
    While the Complaint Group included this woman as a victim of Bickle’s she refuted the claims. She also said she did not want to be contacted about the issue again, according to IHOPKC.
    Alleged Victim 5
    This woman also refuted claims that she had been sexually and spiritually abused by Bickle. IHOPKC said its attorney spoke to the woman and she continued to deny any misconduct by Bickle.
    Alleged Victim 6
    IHOPKC’s leadership said a woman emailed after hearing that her name was being used in the allegations against Bickle. She allegedly said that all rumors involving her and Bickle were not true and denied any form of abuse or inappropriate relationship.
    IHOPKC stated in the report that during the investigation “it became apparent that the Complaint Group did not have permission to include at least four of the women in their list of alleged victims.”

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