DAYS OF PENTECOSTAL THEOLOGY: What is REGENERATION?

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“Ambrose on Regeneration”

Neither baptism nor decisions have to do with regeneration

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21 Comments

  • Reply February 17, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    tell us Tim Dalton what is it? tell us ALL about it

  • Reply May 12, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    its a work of grace as it all Charles Page

  • Reply May 13, 2019

    Wayne Scott

    Yes, Troy Day. Salvation is by God’s saving grace as described by Paul in Titus 2:11-14 as the HS delivered teaching of Christ which he also said we can receive in vain by not obeying.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      and what would be regeneration then?

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      this is the only biblical saving grace of God and is what Pelagius defended against the heresy of Augustine’s Gnosticism.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      Nothing happens before we respond to God’s revelation and call to repentance. Regeneration is being filled with Wisdom (the Spirit). And Solomon said the fear of the Lord (which he defined as shunning evil) is the beginning of Wisdom.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      My terminology comes from reading the preNicene fathers on this subject.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      They reserved the term “only begotten Son of God” for Prov Wisdom.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      …who claims twice in Prov 8 to be begotten of God before creation.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      They had a much better understanding of “Jesus Christ; the same yesterday, today, and forever” than Reformers do.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Wayne Scott

      They were not dispensationalists. They considered Abraham to be a Christian.

  • Reply May 13, 2019

    Kelly Crites

    Regeneration is something that is accomplished by God. A dead man cannot raise himself from the dead.

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Charles Page

      nothing man does -it is all of God from above!!

    • Reply May 13, 2019

      Kelly Crites

      Charles Page amen my brother!

    • Reply May 14, 2019

      Kelly Crites

      Charles Page Dead men do not cooperate with Grace. Unless regeneration takes place first, there is no possibility of faith.

    • Reply May 14, 2019

      Kelly Crites

      Charles Page Ezekiel 36:26-27

    • Reply May 14, 2019

      Lyndsey Dunn

      You can’t raise yourself from the dead, but God can’t raise you from the dead until you put your flesh to death. We don’t believe in mysticism we believe in the power of the Holy Spirit to empower us to overcome our sin through Jesus, that God might be exalted. If salvation is by faith alone, that’s fine, as long as you understand faith is by action alone. Jesus put himself on that cross and so must you. Our Father will take care of the rest. Too many “Christians” soak in their dead faith, mysticism, and magic-spell-prayers waiting for God to make them new. They even go through baptism without seeing the correlations and participatory journey. We even proclaim the Lord’s death in communion and don’t realize what it means to proclaim our own. Do your part, and then you can be born again, be born of the Spirit, and be a new person by the grace of God, which not only shows us favor unto salvation but empowerment for this life as a new creation dead to sin but alive in Christ.

    • Reply May 14, 2019

      Kelly Crites

      Lyndsey Dunn I agree with all of that except for the “God can’t” part. Well said though.
      This would describe an atonement that has limited value. It wouldnt cover the sin of unbelief. If Jesus died for all the sins of all men, if he expiated all of our sins and propitiate all our sins then everybody would be saved. And a potential atonement is not a real atonement. Jesus REALLY atoned for the sins of his sheep. He didn’t just come to make men savable he came to save. He really does seek and save the lost. He is the one seeking we are the ones running. And he is not limited by man’s freedom. I mean what can a dead man do? How can a dead man put his flesh to death enough to finally please God? Romans 8 tells us that (whoever is led by the flesh “cannot” please God.) And if you are led by the flesh it is because you do not have the spirit of God living in you. If our salvation depends upon our performance and our cooperation then we are doomed. He is not the responder he is the initiator. He is the author and perfecter of our faith. You are able to put your flesh to death only because he gives you a new heart to be able to do so.

    • Reply May 14, 2019

      Lyndsey Dunn

      You only receive a new heart after the old one is gone. But your spirit is tied to that flesh everyday until His return. That’s why you need to be filled with his Spirit to have power to overcome. Believing in Jesus doesn’t save you, even Satan believes. You aren’t forced to believe and accept the free gift. Have you made him lord over your life today and everyday? Do you know him? Are you a disciple? Do you take up your cross and put your flesh to death everyday and follow him (Lk 9:23)? Those are questions we hear little from our pulpits. Obiedience is not carried out on our behalf. We have some work to do. Cheap grace is a false soap that makes best a slippery sloap!

    • Reply May 15, 2019

      Kelly Crites

      Lyndsey Dunn yes cheap grace is heresy. But I do believe in a powerful saving Grace. A Grace that truly saves and changes hearts. And yeah you’re right the demons also believe. And they tremble with fear. Do we tremble with fear? Just by saying we believe puts us on par with the demons. We are no better than they are at that point. But they refuse to change their lives and follow Christ. What is our response to the gospel? Thanks for the conversation Lyndsey. ☺ I admire your focus on Christ. ?

  • Reply May 14, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Wayne Scott said
    Regeneration is being filled with Wisdom (the Spirit).

    2-3 Bible verses for that pls Charles Page Link Hudson

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