Neither baptism nor decisions have to do with regeneration. The will of the Father is the basis of our regeneration.
Peyton Gurley [09/22/2015 7:19 PM]
Bible for this? John 3 explains it pretty well. Being born of the water and Spirit.
Jim Kingsnorth [09/22/2015 7:44 PM]
Wrong Charles! Charles is teaching TULIP!
Francisco Arriola [09/22/2015 8:39 PM]
Charles please elaborate on your enigmatic statement
Derrick Harmon [09/22/2015 8:56 PM]
Our will has to be a part of the process. God does the work in regeneration, but we have to allow God to do the work in our lives. Regeneration does not occur by God forcing it on us or surprising us with it. And the opposite can occur–degeneration– according to Hebrews.
Nick Schultz [09/22/2015 9:02 PM]
1 Peter 3:21–22 (ESV)
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Derrick Harmon [09/22/2015 9:06 PM]
My understanding of this verse is linked back to the baptism of the Children of Israel through the Red Sea. God led them to it, and through it. It was an outward sign of deliverance and salvation, but also a new direction for the children of Israel.
Peyton Gurley [09/22/2015 9:11 PM]
How is it outward when God does the work inside? So if someone gets baptized in private is it null and void? It’s funny that people think that an outward show in baptism is acceptable but an outward sign of holiness and modesty is legalism. And Derrick Harmon, he specifically mentions Noah and says nothing about the children of Israel. Why add to it. It says verbatim that baptism saves you. Saves you how? Obedience to Christ. Also, Jesus did commission the Apostles to baptize everyone (Matthew 28:19). And Peter also instructed to be baptized to be converted (Acts 2:37-39). When He commissioned them He didn’t say “just preach the gospel” He said to baptize everyone in the Name. And Peter said every single person had to be baptized. They were convicted at Peters sermon, then asked what to do. Then he told them to repent and be baptized in Jesus Name.
Nick Schultz [09/22/2015 9:36 PM]
I’d careful tacking obedience to this text. It isn’t the obedience of the person that saves, it is through the power and authority of Jesus through the resurrection.
Francisco Arriola [09/22/2015 9:42 PM]
thanks to all of you for clarifying such a complex subject. so enlightening
Peyton Gurley [09/23/2015 10:24 AM]
I’m not careful to do that. Because it’s Scripture. Everything isn’t a mystery with God. You guys make everything this big complex mystery and it’s weird.
Charles Page [09/23/2015 10:53 AM]
Everything isn’t a mystery with God. You guys make everything this big complex mystery and it’s weird.
Brody Pope [09/23/2015 1:09 PM]
Nick Schultz [09/23/2015 1:14 PM]
It is not big or complex. Justification by grace through faith. Not obedience. The OP said baptism has nothing to do with regeneration. Peter disagrees.
Peyton Gurley [09/23/2015 1:17 PM]
I hope I’m not the OP. Because John 3 shows baptism is regeneration.
Nick Schultz [09/23/2015 1:18 PM]
OP=original post… 🙂
Peyton Gurley [09/23/2015 1:18 PM]
Oh ok lol. OP also is Oneness Pentecostal
Nick Schultz [09/23/2015 1:20 PM]
haha, that hurt my side. Talk about a whole other can of worms…
Peyton Gurley [09/23/2015 1:22 PM]
Well I am OP
Nick Schultz [09/23/2015 1:25 PM]
“Whole other can of worms” – read “different topic”
Peyton Gurley [09/23/2015 1:26 PM]
Brody Pope [09/23/2015 1:38 PM]
I tend to lean more towards regeneration is a work of the spirit that is within you after you ask Jesus to save you. Or what I like to call, the spirit of regeneration.
Peyton Gurley [09/23/2015 1:40 PM]
Regeneration is also coined as born again or new birth. Which would be John 3. Now, most people don’t believe that is talking about baptism but I do. It goes with Jesus theme. Like Matthew 28:19. Acts 2:38. Anyone who believes and is baptized is saved. Anyone who believes not is damned.