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And this is why I adhere to the KJV. Everyone has to make a choice as to what Bible they read…I choose KJV.
John Kissinger [01/08/2016 11:18 AM]
difference between believing and believing in/with (all) your heart Glynn Brown
Glynn Brown [01/08/2016 11:30 AM]
Acts 8:37 is an orthodox corruption. It was added because the orthodox practice of baptism was to first include a confession of faith. It’s not original.
Patricia Riley [01/08/2016 11:33 AM]
KJV is, unfortunately, an unreliable translation.
Glynn Brown [01/08/2016 11:34 AM]
All of the kjv translators were anglican, who by the way baptize babies.
Tim Renneberg [01/08/2016 11:36 AM]
So… if you use that verse in Deuteronomy in this way then everything beyond that verse should be thrown out right… or perhaps Moses meant something else?
Glynn Brown [01/08/2016 11:36 AM]
Erasmus was also a Roman Catholic priest, who dedicated his greek text to pope Leo X.
Tim Renneberg [01/08/2016 11:41 AM]
The KJV is not unreliable. It’s very accurate to the sources used
Milton Gordon [01/08/2016 11:43 AM]
The validity and credibility of Bible translations is too long of a study to cover it here. The Holy Spirit will help any serious seeker to know right and wrong. Sadly, it’s the lack of reading, listening to and believing God’s word that is the most lacking in the world. There are many translations in many languages. We need not disparage anyone for reading the Scriptures in English or many languages. People err not knowing the Scriptures or the Spirit of God.
John Kissinger [01/08/2016 12:02 PM]
Glynn Brown orthodox? why orthodox?
Glynn Brown [01/08/2016 12:19 PM]
Orthodox as compared to hetero orthodox
John Kissinger [01/08/2016 12:59 PM]
yeah, I am looking at the MSS but just dont see more Orthodox than Western witnesses on this verse http://greeknewtestament.net/ac8-37
Glynn Brown [01/08/2016 2:14 PM]
I mean that orthodox scribes at times altered the text to conform to the standard religious practices and rituals of their time period. Like altering the text to protect the ‘virgin birth’ or ‘the Trinity ‘ or adding doxologies and ‘amen’ and adding ‘confessions of faith’ before baptism.
Glynn Brown [01/08/2016 2:24 PM]
Erasmus inserted this verse into his text from the margin of one of his manuscripts. So none of his MSS had the verse (except in the margin of one of the MS)
John Kissinger [01/08/2016 2:42 PM]
Erasmus was not Orthodox and in this particular occasion seems like the difference is in both western and eastern sources
Drew Banacos [01/08/2016 5:08 PM]
I think that Glynn means orthodox as in holding to the beliefs of traditional Christianity (the Trinity, the resurrection, incarnation, etc.) I think you are referring to the capital O Orthodox which refers to the Church that split from the Roman Catholic Church during the Great Schism.
Varnel Watson
Todd Tomasella Ive found out most so called KJVonly ppl have never seen a real 1611 KJV that costs a lot of money I only know 2 ppl who own a real one the rest of them are all fakers They dont even know that KJV was translated from the very Catholic Textus Receptus pieced out by the very Catholic counter reformer Erasmus the humanist The Greek to me reveals the fullness of what was written, but it doesn’t change it, just opens it up. Are you well studied in Greek? Drew Banacos
Todd Tomasella
Not buying this …. QUESTION: Was Erasmus, the editor of the Textus Receptus, a “good” Roman Catholic?
https://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_57.asp
Todd Tomasella
If the Catholic church had anything to do with the King James Bible, they sure missed every opportunity to insert their doctrines. Common sense tells us the King James Bible utterly, with divine strength, exposes the Roman cult for what it is – pure antichrist.
IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6). Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28). Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11). Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as “father”? (Matt. 23:9).
Also, IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does the Bible teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). Why does it address only God Himself as the “Holy Father”? (John 17:11). Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, indulgences, purgatory, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does the Bible teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2). Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5). Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
Furthermore, IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does the Bible forbid us to address religious leaders as “father”? (Matt. 23:9).Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). Why does it address only God Himself as the “Holy Father.” (John 17:11).
If the Bible is catholic, why then did the Pope put the Bible on the Index of forbidden books in the 12th century?
EVEN MORE: IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does the Bible teach that there is only One Mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, indulgences, purgatory, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other heresies perpetrated by the Catholic Church?
Todd Tomasella
You are spreading lies…. repent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWffQqeN8rM
Drew Banacos
First thing about the KJV: it is not the best translation out there. It is based upon a limited number of Greek and Latin manuscripts. Today, we have found many earlier manuscripts. Not to mention, the vernacular of the KJV is not modern English. No one speaks in “KJV” unless they are in church or a Shakespeare play. They just aren’t the words that we use; translations need to be frequently updated in order to be more accustomed to the modern form of language. All languages are dynamic and continue to develop meaning based upon their historical contexts. Second, even after deciding what might be the “best” translation, there is still the difficult work of interpretation. People assume that since a certain translation is more reliable, that means the person who has that translation is going to have a better interpretation than the person with the poorer translation. This isn’t the case.
Varnel Watson
Erasmus was Catholic of course š And his work was greatly supported and sponsored by the Vatican namely for his counter Reformation efforts
Varnel Watson
Todd Tomasella how about 1 Jn 5:7
Erasmus copied it from the Catholic Vulgata
without having no manuscript to support it
http://probible.net/1-john-57/
Todd Tomasella
I’m going to give you this answer and exclude myself. I have no doubt that you are not under the influence of the Holy Spirit but rather, “another spirit,” as the premise of what you are doing is casting doubt on God’s Word. http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp
Todd Tomasella
https://brandplucked.webs.com/1john57.htm
Mike Albright
Since Moses wrote in KJV, we should read it in the language he wrote it in. ?
Todd Tomasella
That’s a worn out lame excuse…. do YOU speak and read in Hebrew and Greek? You are calling God a liar – saying He didn’t keep His promise to preserve His Word to all generations. Repent. http://safeguardyoursoul.com/bible-version-issue/
Mike Albright
Goodnight dude.
Todd Tomasella
Mike Albright You are lying. MARK THIS: ALL who cast doubt on God’s Word are of Satan – who is undeniably the one who began this doubt-casting when in the Garden he asked the woman “Hath God said”? (Genesis 3:1) … Can’t back up your false claim to so you run.
David Grooms
We must let others see Christ in us in every way. Including how we converse with one another, even in texting.
Varnel Watson
If it was good for Paul…
Mike Albright
Todd Tomasella Here’s a great KJV verse that you might never have read before, but if you check it out and believe it, it could change your life: 1Cor.13.1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Todd Tomasella
Mike Albright Telling the truth to darkened hearts is as loving, as Christ-like as it could possibly be. Have you ever read Matthew 23?
Mike Albright
Todd Tomasella Yes, I thought of verse 13 in my short interaction with you: Mt. 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Varnel Watson
Todd Tomasella Thanks for sharing your post I decided to invite you to the group and share because I am 100% sure you have never seen a 1611 KJV print in real life and mostly have not a clue of the hundreds if not thousands of errors that have been corrected in it for 5 centuries Thank you for sharing again
Mike Albright GOT 2 LOVE this one Henry Volk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWffQqeN8rM
So obviously I am not gonna go PASS the TITLE but
What is thesis here
That KJS is BETTER than the actual autographs š
How is this even possible?
Are they saying the very gay King James got
some special revelation beyond the Bible?
Henry Volk
Iāve seen that guy before ??
Link Hudson
The hard core KJV-onlyiest canon must not have closed until 1611, at least.
Varnel Watson
I’ve seen several real 1611-prints KJV In my life I know 2 fellers who paid good money to own 2 copies. All the rest is but another revision This is a somewhat rare 1675 https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/more-furniture-collectibles/collectibles-curiosities/books/1675-king-james-bible-cambridge-complete-illustrated-178-van-hove-engravings/id-f_10864461/?utm_content=test&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxbzdBRCoARIsACzIK2kdherhhB8FRmG4DxaU6FArHd2c2_jwZV47-L2Z-ZPyqkBVswxADmMaAsTbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Varnel Watson
Which version is used mostly by Joe Absher Link Hudson Terry Wiles and so on Certainly not the original 1611 KJV right?
Joe Absher
I just a new one. “The Holy Bible” Authorized King James Version. Large Print. Compact Reference Bible with words of Christ in Red. $20 what’s not to like. Leather too.
Link Hudson
A reason to use the KJV? So that hearing they shall hear and shall not percieve.
Link Hudson
Is this a good verse for the topic of debating KJVonlyism? If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Varnel Watson
Which verse would that be again?
Joe Absher
The Lord encouraged and built up my faith today reading the KJV Bible. This evening I spent two hours doing the same with a young man coming out of homosexuality. He’s made a good confession of faith and working through the changes. Said he’s still having nightmares. I gave him Psalms 127:2
“It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep.” He understood it and was comforted and helped. That’s right the King James Bible.
Link Hudson
Look it up in the KJV.
Varnel Watson
Which verse to lookup in the KJV?
Link Hudson
Pls. Read above posts.
Varnel Watson
Above what? Acts 8:37?
Varnel Watson
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/i-read-kjv-only/
Poppy Thompson
Not because he changed his name throughout the book in place of Jesus brothers name and he was gay? I think it used to be great reading but not now?
Varnel Watson
who changed the name Poppy Thompson
Poppy Thompson
King James
Poppy Thompson
What was the book of James changed from.
Varnel Watson
Poppy Thompson I wasnt there to watch him BUT even if he was the translators of the BIBLE were not right? BTW this on the picture is NO KJV and I am not its greatest proponent JUST saying that we need to check the facts with the translators of KJV
Poppy Thompson
Check your concordance
Poppy Thompson
Jakob? or Jakob https://www.behindthename.com/name/james
Varnel Watson
oh you mean James / Yakobus / Yakov – its all the same in Hebrew whats your point Poppy Thompson
Janne Korhonen
https://youtu.be/C9AOuedvOnI
Poppy Thompson
James snuck his name in there and history speaks for itself. There was no letter j in the hebrew language and still isn’t . It only appeared in the English alphabet during the 1600″s. Even the name Jesus is a mistake.
Kyle Williams
Yasheua Hamishiach in Hebrew, Iesous Christos in the greek, Jesus Christ in the AV.. same meaning different rendering. Same Holy Name.
Poppy Thompson
Kyle Williams The name above all names?
Poppy Thompson
Kyle Williams https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/148399/if-the-letter-j-is-only-400-500-years-old-was-there-a-j-sound-that-preceded-the
Kyle Williams
Poppy Thompson yes!
Jevan Little
It’s an outdated translation in a version of English we no longer use
Varnel Watson
whose we? and what do we use now?
Jevan Little
Troy Day us English speakers. We use modern English
Varnel Watson
well NO need for that now Poppy Thompson I enjoy your fast finger resonances I like KJV but I aint married to it YES ol king Jimmy changed quite a bit but they ALL did And Yes he was as gay as they get A lot of them were Now the translators were good BUT by the time their got their hands on TR it was so corrupted it had no use Now then the Wycliffe and the other fellers work and the old English and Germanic renderings they included were SPOT ON
Poppy Thompson
Troy Day cheers mate!
Neil Steven Lawrence
Translations of the Bible do not save people; but out dated translations can obscure the truth from people who speak a language that has modified over 400 years. How many people have missed heaven because they couldnāt understand?
If you (anyone) read the original KJV you couldnāt understand it either!
Poppy Thompson
99%
John Moses
Seems like how some people are KJV-only is getting close to idolatry. If they were as Jesus-only as they are Kjv-only, the church would be on fire
Doyle Rogers
MISTRANSLATION of the word of God; Harks back to the garden of Eden …when Adam and Eve were deceived…………………………………..I have a 26 translation Bible for study but. I mostly use King James Translation .( I was raised up with K.J.V. ) . To me the litmus test of whatever translations we use is ….Can we say of them……….., as Jesus told the devil……………………… Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, IT IS WRITTEN , Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God……………. WHAT TRANSLATION HAS THE ANSWER……..NOTE………..Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. WHAT TRANSLATION CAN WE USE WHEN WE ARE ASK ?………………………………….1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:.
Varnel Watson
John Moses none such here but thanks anyway
Varnel Watson
good observation bro Doyle Rogers what translation do you use and suggest for the rest of us?
Doyle Rogers
YOU ASK ” what translation do you use and suggest for the rest of us?” THAT IS A QUESTION. I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO ANSWER. ………..I will refer you to this scripture …………..Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. . ……………. Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Varnel Watson
so you dont know what translation you use?
Anonymous
Philip Williams Oscar Valdez Jim Price James Philemon Bowers Tom Bowers MY KING JAMES ONLY BROTHERS OFTEN CLAIM THAT THEIR VERSION IS PERFECT, but it seems that II Samuel 15:7 disproves that. It has āforty yearsā for the time Absalom spent gaining influence for his rebellion, but that is impossible. Absalom was born after David became king (3:3), and David reigned about forty years (I Kings 2:11). Four years is undoubtedly correct, as in most modern versions, the Syriac, Arabic, and Josephus. To say that the forty years refers to something other than Absalomās time spent gaining influence totally ignores the immediately preceding verses: āAnd on this manner did Absalom to all Israel that came to the king for judgment: so Absalom stole the hearts of the men of Israel. And it came to pass after forty years, that Absalom said unto the king, I pray thee, let me go and pay my vow, which I have vowed unto the LORD, in Hebron.ā (II Samuel 15:6-7 KJV) (adapted from āCharisma Commentary on the Bibleā) I’ve memorized over 6,000 verses from the KJV, but I’m against King James only. We have a reliable Bible,, but not a perfect Bible. The perfect Bible is in heaven: For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. (Psa 119:89 KJV)
Anonymous
Consideration of the many manuscripts is important. But EVERY translation is man made and fallible. Those who believe otherwise are at great risk of committing idolatry.
One clear error in almost every English translation is that the term doulos is incorrectly rendered as “servant,” while the correct meaning is SLAVE, as rendered in the new Legacy Standard Bible.
There are six terms that may be translated, “servant,” but doulos is slave.
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess actually bond slave which has a fuller meaning.
Anonymous
John Mushenhouse bond slave in PHILLEMON is a political stance NOT separating church and state Link Hudson Philip Williams Kyle Williams https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/trumpcare-fails-senate-kills-replacement-bill-whos-to-blame/
Anonymous
https://youtube.com/shorts/_esx_-QsfuY?si=dUIGVal8cmCfIHx0
Anonymous
Philip Williams once again you propose a very liberal Catholic stance