Is TRUMP really SAVED?

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Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Whatever! This man has zero Jesus inside of him!!! He’s Satans spawn!!!
Terry Wiles Probably there were many early believers who said that about Saul.  lol about how chapped believers get when someone possibly becomes a believer.
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Maybe so? However, if anyone can show me one ounce, of the moral character of Jesus, in this man, I will sit proudly and eat my crow.
John E. Ruffle I think you need to repent of that very un Christ-like comment Rebecca.
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent That’s not un-Christ like. The only folks Jesus ever condemned, were hypocrites and religious zealot-holier than thou types. I think he falls into the 1st catagory, quite well.
Karen Lucas How convenient…
Charles Page This is a political maneuver on the part of James Dobson, he has accept Jesus in proxy for Trump. I am still voting for Trump and glad it is not Dobson running for president.
Karen Lucas I will not be voting for him and I do not understand why evangelicals keep trying to convince themselves and others that Trump is a christian. Republican does not equal christian….clearly. If you are for his policies and comfortable with his character or lack thereof, vote for him.  Because of my faith, I am not comfortable with his policies or the fruit of his “character.” So, I do not know what I will do or who I will vote for if anyone. But I’m not voting the party line. In fact I checked out of that business all together this week and changed my voter registration to unaffiliated. Glad to have my name free of party line association.
Charles Page Trump is Presbyterian and they believe God saves the elect of God.  By their faith Trump is born again (I believe that as well and I’m not presby) He may not act Christian yet by his faith he believes he is born again. It would be sad if only those who truly act Christian were born again.
   
Opal Moore Myers The bible says,”Judge not lest you be judged”.
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Things that come to my mind….if the righteous scarcely are saved, where do the sinner and tge ungodly appear? …there are those who have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof…..they will say but Lord, I’ve done this, that, blah blah blah, and God will say “depart from me I never knew you”. Obviously everyone who claims to be born again, ain’t….and everybody ain’t in tune with holiness. If they were, why would hell enlarge its borders every hour? Donakd Trump is no Christian, or any representation of Jesus, by character. Sorry….but no.
Karen Lucas Who’s judging, Opal Moore Myers? I admit i have my doubts but what i am saying is that people are judging whether he’s a christian or not and trying to base a vote off that. Why? We are voting for a president, not a pastor. I’m just suggesting that perhaps Christians should look at as candidate’s policy and character within the framework of their own convictions, instead of trying to figure out his salvation for him.
Terry Wiles Karen Lucas  I fully agree.  I support Trumps policy and reject the democratic platform
Steve Webb So will your vote go for a lying, narcissistic woman that is suspected of murderous activity, that fully supports abortion, and has jeopardized our nations security? Or has set rapists free? Or laughed about our men dying on foreign soil? I suppose you like the line, “What difference does it make…” Go ahead and elect her and your rights and freedoms will erode…
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Quite frankly, neitger are fit for office. It is ridiculous, however, for anyone to try and equate Trumps character, to anything remotely similar to someone who is Christian. That is, in fact, what this thread is about. Correct? The whole idea is rooted in delirium.
Karen Lucas Who are you talking to, Steven Webb?
Steve Webb Karen Lucas that would be a question directed to you, since you’re the only one implying support for Killary.
Karen Lucas I guess you didn’t read my earlier statement, then.
Steve Webb Karen Lucas a non-vote, or vote for a third party candidate is a defacto vote for Killary. I read your statement.
Karen Lucas Wow, Steve Webb. What exactly are you trying to convince me of with the way you talk to me and about other people? Your approach to discussion and the way you handle yourself when you disagree with someone is a prime example of why I am not impressed by Trump or his supporters and why I am saddened by the image of Christianity that they are portraying to the world. That is the main reason why I will not take part in helping to elect him and you are only convincing me further that I am making the right decision about that.
Robert Borders The more I read your posts the more I am impressed with you. I mean this sincerely.
Steve Webb Karen Lucas that is the beauty of America…you have that right.
Steve Webb Karen Lucas and to add to this…in case you’ve missed all the slanted news coverage, the only violence at political rallies are physical attacks on Trump supporters. Repeatedly, every rally, hired by those running on the opposite ticket. Everything I stated is fact. I’m curious exactly which of Trump’s policies you’re opposed to…strengthening our freedoms? Our economy? Keeping terrorists out of our nation? Or is it the fact that he isn’t politically correct, but instead calls things as they are?
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent This article really isn’t about who is voting for who, nor either candidates positions…its about Trump being (cringe) a Christian. Somehow, that whole topic has faded to the back.
Karen Lucas Steve Webb, sorry it has taken me a while. I have intentionally avoided as much election news coverage as possible since day one. I always do. However, I do read articles on items of interest and have read quite a bit that would be very contradictory to what you are saying. So, I would want to see some facts on what you are saying about who is being hurt and harassed at the rallies. I have a co-worker who attended a Trump rally with her husband and they ended up leaving terrified.  They just thought it would be fun to go see him since he was in town but once they were there, they started hearing so many disturbing comments and sensing so much anger and racism in the room that they ended up feeling very unsafe because of their own race. They are both hispanics who have been in the U.S. since childhood. Another man attended and his description of what he witnessed in the parking lot before ever making it into the rally was disturbing enough for me… What bothers me most is that Trump seems to not only condone but encourage this type of behavior and thinking from his supporters.  I definitely don’t want that in a president.  Regarding policies…honestly I think most of it is essentially rhetoric that is designed to get a rise of support out of a select group of people but when all the talk is stripped down from it, it’s pretty unrealistic. He has a few good ideas here and there like any politician will have but that is not enough for me. I simply do not have confidence in him as a leader and the way that he talks about other human beings in such derogatory, dismissive ways is a major turn-off for me. I am more of a bridge builder than a wall builder and that desire in me evolves directly from my faith. I am more the type of person who wants to give people the benefit of the doubt, not shut them out. I do not think it is wise to be driven to decision making by fear. I believe America was built on the idea of diversity and inclusivity. Sure, we should strengthen our borders and people should not come in illegally but honestly, have you ever had to work with anyone who is trying to become a citizen of this country. I have.  It is ridiculous how complicated and astronomically expensive and time consuming it is.  This is what needs to change and then maybe border issues wouldn’t be so much of an issue. It only took me working with a young girl one time to stop and realize, “No wonder people try to circumvent this processI It’s terribly confusing and hard and probably next to literally impossible for the average low-income person to pay for. I hope that helps.
Charles Page Karen Lucas  the anger and violence erupts from the Trump protesters at the rallies.
Karen Lucas You mean the attendees are angry that someone is protesting, right? Yeah. I know – But, so what? If a protestor needs to be ushered out, that’s what security is for. It isn’t necessary for the crowd to threaten them bodily harm. Freedom of speech is part of what makes America so great.
Charles Page That will be a part of what will make America great.  Freedom of speech.  We have lost it!
Karen Lucas Charles Page, you know, I think that we are in a time when we are just going to have to stand our ground and not be afraid to say what we think with civility and honesty and transparency. Only we can allow ourselves to be bullied into silence.  We have both the extreme left and the extreme right who are not shy about saying what they think and the temptation these days is to place people into only one of those two categories and then put up our walls or our fists. We assume so much instead of learning to both speak and listen to each other carefully. We need to relearn the art of conversation and what we can do here is model it.
Robert Borders Life is like a pendulum especially when it comes to change. This is true in culture and in the Church. I have friends on both the far left and the far right. God is in control and as we live out our Christian walk with patience we will see God bring things back into balance. This is a trying time but also an exciting time to be alive.
Karen Lucas I agree Robert Borders! I am excited about what God is doing with his church.  Shifting and sifting is good….painful and stressful sometimes and definitely trying but GOOD! I can’t wait to see the finished product. He is such a good father.
Mary Ellen Nissley Deep breath…
Jason Stillwell Warning signs
John Costanzo Because Clinton is the bigest lier ever
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent In this election, there is no one person, who is the lesser of two evils. We are doomed, either way!
Joan Lauret Jackson Praise God, the Bible said that Jesus says whoever will, Jesus washes away our sin
Renee Ang Hmmmm let’s see…..Trump or Hillary? I’ll be voting for Trump over Hillary. Anyone who votes for Hillary has zero morals or decency. There, I said it.
Charles Page that calls for repentance!
Karen Lucas But Angie, the same could really be said of Trump too. Why do we have to vilify one and make a saint of the other? Furthermore, why do we have to vilify and say such horrible things about someone who chooses to vote for one over the other?
Charles PageC my sister who is now with Jesus was a staunch democrat and voted for Clinton
Karen Lucas There are christian values and non Christian values represented on both sides of the isle.
Charles Page Karen Lucas  why do values have to be christian aren’t values values?  All Americans don’t hold to Christianity. Haven’t we addressed this in Pentecostalism?  Are Pentecostals a sect of Christianity or is it Christianity?  Pentecostalism didn’t start in 1900s it goes back to 1st century
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Again, I don’t care for either  candidate, but will someone please, show me ONE characteristic, of Donald Trump, that is even slightly Christ-like, or with any decency or morality? He is evil, full of hate and variance, pert near every work of the flesh, stated in the bible, can be counted in his character. People keep giving me sidewinding answers, without any real examples.
Charles PageC Pert near?
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Close, but not quite. lol
Charles Page We say “might near”
Karen Lucas Yes. Charles, values are values. And we are agreed on your point that not all Americans are Christian. I was responding to your comment about your deceased sister who you pointed out to be a Christian and a Bill Clinton supporter and trying to stick with discussion about politics and faith. That’s why I said what I did about Christian values being both present and lacking on both sides of the isle.
Charles Page I was attempting to say it like my sister would have said
Renee Ang Hillary is a proven liar, supports gun control, and supports the murder of unborn babies. That’s why I say what I do about Hillary supporters. A true Christian would never support that madness.
Mary Ellen Nissley If you are willing to do some research with an open mind, you will find those same things are true about Trump.
Micael Grenholm As Mary says, Trump is a liar and supports abortion, and as for gun control Christians shouldn’t use violence and weapons but love our enemies and turn the other cheek.
Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Gun control? That is more important than loving thy neighbor? Trump is a racist hate monger, hating his brothers without a cause! Abortion: yes its evil, but before it was legal, women were ahoving dirty clothes hangers up thier ‘selves’, and manyending both thier lives and the babies. Women are going to find a way if they’re determined to terminate pregnancy. A true Christian would not stand for either one of them, but sadly Hilary is the lesser of two evils. A real Christian wouldn’t uphold someone who got on national TV bragging about the size of his manhood. BUT the BIBLE says that the LOVE of GOD will hide a multitude of sins, too bad TRUMP has no love for anyone but himself.
Steve Webb Rebecca Nelson-Innocent wow…just wow…where the shame lies is in the divisiveness caused by two non-Christians in a Christian community. Killary or Trump neither one exhibit many fruits of the Spirit, but at least Trump wasn’t asleep while men dies for our country, and then laugh about it at a hearing…
Steve Webb Rebecca Nelson-Innocent and by the way…your liberal, self-centered hate is not well disguised…
Ruth Brigantti Allow God to strategically work. At the end it will work out for good.
Marc Jackson Should Pentecostals PRAY for TRUMP to become our president? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-pentecostals…/
John E. Ruffle Surely no one here in their right mind would vote for Clinton?
Rico Hero As Canadians, we have no say in the election.But my wife cant stand Trump and if our son spoke to women as Trump, we would be devastated.Perhaps the “blacks” ,Hispanics, and women that apparently love Trump so much will vote him in. 🙂
Renee Ang Wow! You defend legalized murder because people will “use dirty clothes hangers” anyway?  S.M.H. Your logic is ridiculous. And as far as the gun control comment, I won’t be a victim. Whoever breaks into my home with ill intent will be met with deadly force. I will protect my family.
Nelson Banuchi Fooled me…apparently, he may have done it to get eternal life, once he got it, he must’ve reverted back to his ol’ self…it’s the art of the deal.
Marc Jackson Good report Pastor Terry Very credible indeed 🙂
Dan Irving Paula White?  People need to know some of the history.  Dangerous stuff.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxinLIxjQgY
Edward Hardee Here is the typical response for some who hear the name trump: http://insider.foxnews.com/…/college-students-oppose…
   
   

 

179 Comments

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

  • Nelson Banuchi
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Nelson Banuchi

    1 John 3:4-10

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    The Church is asking: Would a saved man separate children from their parents?

    RT @Rebecca Nelson-Innocent Whatever! This man has zero Jesus inside of him!!! He’s Satans spawn!!!

    RT Terry Wiles Probably there were many early believers who said that about Saul. lol about how chapped believers get when someone possibly becomes a believer.

    RT Karen Lucas How convenient…

    RT Daniel Rushing Christian, if you’re more concerned with protecting the President’s reputation than you are with protecting brown babies in cages, you’ve lost your first love.

    IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO LOSE THEIR SALVATION? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/is-it-possible-for-someone-to-lose-their-salvation/

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      Saved people do a lot of stupid things. God as the final judge, on the premise that salvation can be forfeit (not “lost”), determines when and on what condition to remove his saving Spirit of grace.

      While I will not say absolutely he is not saved (since that can only be revealed for certainty at the end of life here), I do think it is safe to say that he does not demonstrate that he is saved, and not only because he sought (and, imo, still seeks) to separate children from parents, using them as hostages for his political agenda.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      He wasnt because Joseph Kidwell and other PENTECOSTAL PASTORS AND SCHOLARS TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: WE CALL ON YOU TO REPENT!
      http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pentecostal-pastors-and-scholars-to-president-trump-we-call-on-you-to-repent/

    • Thomas Raasveld
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Thomas Raasveld

      Do not believe the liberal media. President Trump does not separate families. When anyone commits a crime and is arrested there children are taken into custody as well, and placed into care. (Which is the current law) Also President Trump has asked to meet with Congress to come up with ideas to help with this situation. Presidents don’t make law. Congress refuses a sit down, and liberals will no cooperate to come up with a solution.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      Thank God, for the next 21 days he won’t, although the EO says nothing about reuniting the 2300 now separated.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      I wonder IF ALL the guys in the group from this AM would flip on their comments too? Ira Huth Timothy K. Wiebe Scotty Searan Jan Dixon Sykes

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      Timothy K. Wiebe I cant speak for the liberal “Christians” but we the conservative Christians spoke loudly back then on these issues. Where were you then? Why didnt you speak up then ? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/is-banned-immigration-biblical/

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day so funny I forgot to laugh

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      Mocking the Truth?

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day yes you are

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      confused you seem

    • Jan Dixon Sykes
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Jan Dixon Sykes

      So now the kids get to stay in jail with their parents. Oops, you were expecting catch & release?

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Cruel cruel comments by hateful hearts This is not the Spirit of Christ Joseph Kidwell

    • Scotty Searan
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Scotty Searan

      Troy Day There’s two things happening.
      Melanie Trump has been black mailed by the Democrats because earlier in the day President Trump said an executive order would not work.
      Congress needs to pass legislation that will pass in the Senate

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Where’s the outcry against Fonda?

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      Scotty Searan An EO won’t work… not the kind of EO he signed, which imo is a ruse. Besides, he doesn’t need an EO or Congress to stop the separation and restore families already separated. All he has to do is pick up the phone and command Sessions to make everything right… period.

      That’s not to say we need Congress to reform immigration; it does mean Trump can stop the child abuse and return children back to their parents.

      If you note, the EO says nothing about the over 2300 kids now separated and after 21 days, Trump can go back to his cruelty by again separating migrant families at the border.

      This EO is a ruse to get his opponents off his back and make him look like a guy with a heart (even the Tin Man without a heart has more heart than Trump).

    • Scotty Searan
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Scotty Searan

      Nelson Banuchi Jeff Sessions does not have the right to go against a law
      Only President Trump or a federal judge has the power to refuse to enforce the law

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      You’re not reading my comments.

      1. Separating families, as Trump is doing, is not law; it’s his policy (apparently, something rather hard for Trump supporters to acknowledge or understand).

      2. I said nothing about Sessions.

      3. I did say all Trump really had to do is call to put a stop to separating families and reunite the ones separated.

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day do you see Trump as helping at all to clean up some of the Washington elite corruption?

    • Scotty Searan
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Scotty Searan

      Nelson Banuchi one more time, since it appears you are from Missouri and have to be show.. It takes more than a phone call
      There must be a memorandum or executive order. You give out written orders, not verbal orders. That is the way of the political and business world
      The United States Supreme Court made a ruling in 1997 when Bill Clinton was President that required separation of children from parents
      I also section 12 detailing the procedure
      Check this Link out I have shown you the proof but you won’t accept it.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores

    • Scotty Searan
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Scotty Searan

      Timothy K. Wiebe The two things President Trump can do is clean out his Cabinet and political advisors.
      The next thing he can is campaign against the incumbents

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Scotty Searan I’m talking about what he’s already done

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      I like what Jed Smock said:
      Not only is Trump the talk of America; he is the conversation of the nations. Trump must also be the talk of Heaven. Even the Almighty may be surprised by some of Trump’s moves.

    • Gregg McMahan
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Gregg McMahan

      Timothy K. Wiebe Fonda isn’t president

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi Scotty Searan how about that guy? Bob Buckland

  • Robert Erwine
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Robert Erwine

    Trump is of his father Satan and there is no truth in him !

  • Timothy K. Wiebe
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Timothy K. Wiebe

    Obama is of his father Satan and there is no truth in him !

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    History will never let Donald Trump escape the shame of separating parents and children at the border
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-us-border-children-immigrants-wall-parents-separate-families-a8374671.html

  • Robert Erwine
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Robert Erwine

    all these men are nothing compared to the beast , Satan’s very own man rather than subcontractors , who is unto like the beast ? who !?

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

  • Thangsan Hisfootstep
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Thangsan Hisfootstep

    We are not in that position to judge. Should ask ourselves instead.

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 20, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      The Bible tells us, at the least, what makes for one who is saved and one who is not, telling us not to be deceived by those who claim to be saved and demonstrate they are not. So, we are placed in a position, not to determine someone’s future eternal state but, clearly, at the very least, their present saving state as they demonstrate it.

      Looking to ourselves goes without saying. But if we are habitually following God’s word on a daily with a consistent attitude of repentance, there is no need to examine ourselves, at least, on a constant or daily basis.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    We are not but Judge Says Yes To Lawsuit Challenging Trump Administration Family Separation Policy A federal judge in California is allowing a lawsuit against the Trump administration’s practice of separating migrant families at the border to proceed.

    Andrea Elena Castro, daughter of Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, holds a U.S. flag during a Rally For Our Children event on May 31 to protest the “zero tolerance” immigration policy that has led to the separation of families.
    http://wvik.org/post/judge-says-yes-lawsuit-challenging-trump-administration-family-separation-policy#stream/0

  • Jose Antonio Rivera
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Jose Antonio Rivera

    Children were being separated in the previous administration’s.

    The parents and Mexico are to blame. The USA is simply holding those kids while they are placed in the proper place. The parents many times have to face the law and pay for their crimes. The children are victims. It is trumps fault.

    Their parents are to blame. And for Mexico.

    Go Trump.
    You will prevail.
    Many of us praying daily for you.
    The righteous shall prevail in Jesus name. Amen.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Rivera – last name? Where are you from? Did your family came to this country completely legally? Thanks!

    • Joseph Kidwell
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Joseph Kidwell

      This fall, we will cripple him and elect a Democratic Party Congress.

    • Jose Antonio Rivera
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Jose Antonio Rivera

      Troy Day.
      My family was here BEFORE yours. Yes, legally I came.

      Army War veteran.
      Was ready to lay down my life with the best x the godly principles of this country.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Troy Day

      Joe Absher knows my testimony No need to elaborate. If you dont mean the civil war, I would not be too quick to judge

  • Jose Antonio Rivera
    Reply June 20, 2018

    Jose Antonio Rivera

    It is NOT Trumps fault, I meant

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Troy Day

      Google Col. William Troy Day
      29th Regiment, Illinois Infantry

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Which is NOT Trump’s plan? Separating the children at first OR signing and order for none separation? It cant be both Separating Families at the Border Was Always Part of the Plan
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/separating-families-at-border-was-always-part-of-the-plan.html

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    YES OBAMA did it too Nelson Banuchi Joseph Kidwell when would liberal Christians figure it out. It’s just another Obama in the White House

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Scotty Searan your 2 observations this AM are right on target I will respond to you later but this is bad very very bad

    Dems just figured out putting pressure on Melania (and not even personally but via her speaker(s)) they can control POTUS – This is very very bad IMPO From here now on MEMBERS OF TRUMP’S EVANGELICAL BOARD SHOULD QUIT cause they aint doing jack – Perry, Perry can you hear us? Daniel J Hesse
    http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/members-of-trumps-evangelical-board-should-quit-but-wont/

  • Scotty Searan
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    They have found the weakness in his, and yes, Most husbands would do there dead level best to protect the wife.
    If they don’t use it this year, then 2020 the DEMOCRATS will let the cat out of the bag.
    But to think that Melinia would join with Laura Bush, when their families wouldn’t support President Trump?

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Scotty Searan I don’t know when it was, but it has not been long,” Dobson told Godfactor’s Michael Anthony in an exclusive interview. “I believe he really made a commitment, but he’s a baby Christian. ”
    https://www.charismanews.com/politics/elections/58042-dr-james-dobson-donald-trump-has-accepted-christ

  • Bob Wizenhut
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Bob Wizenhut

    I couldn’t find the article but frankly, I don’t think most Evangelicals care if President Trump is saved.

    I’ve never asked if my doctor is saved, nor my mechanic, nor the coach of FC Cincinnati. As a Christian I do care that:
    – The President is working to pull Black America out of poverty
    – The President is keeping his promises at a record rate, including recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
    – The President is returning our country to the rule of law
    – The President implements policies that protect Christians, protect the unborn
    – The President says what he mean and means what he says when honesty is impossible to find in politics.

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      Obviously, they didn’t; they voted for him & still support him.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      returning our country to the rule of law ? what does that mean in conservative speak ?

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      Robert Erwine Not sure what conservatives think by the term “rule of law.”

      Can it be a return to theocratic rule? Don’t think so. First, America was never nor intended to be a theocracy; second, America is ruled in such a way as to avoid theocratic rule; and, thirdly, no country can claim genuine theocratic rule by the God of Israel.

      So, the only thing I can think of, at least, what Trump thinks the “rule of law” means and what some conservatives might like for it to be, is authoritarian or despotic rule.

      No?

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      I like what Dr. Bowers posted about this

      “America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense human rights invented America.”
      “Human rights is the soul of our foreign policy, because human rights is the very soul of our sense of nationhood.”
      —— President Jimmy Carter

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Bob Wizenhut

      Robert Erwine – returning to the rule of law would mean following the Constitution, not going around laws just because you don’t like them, rejecting the previous administration’s use of the FBI, IRS, Dept of Justice and Intelligence agencies to go after political enemies.

    • Hugh Lowrie
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Hugh Lowrie

      Amen Bob. The rule of law is very important for Christians that follow Scripture. I’d expect 87% of White Evangelicals to vote for President Trump in 2020.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Christians are of grace, not of law

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      the right isn’ t about the Constitution no matter how much lip service they give it .

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Bob Wizenhut

      Troy Day – Christians are about extending grace but the Creator God is a God of order. You won’t find support for lawlessness anywhere in the Bible. Just because Christians are about extending grace doesn’t mean they should ignore murder, rape, theft, corruption or even vigilantes that ignore the law for personal or partisan gain.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Bob Wizenhut quick example BLM ~ “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil- God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” -Dietrich Bonhoeffer { Joe Absher }

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Bob Wizenhut

      Troy Day – actively turning away from murder, rape, theft or ignoring the law for personal/partisan gain is immoral, unacceptable and not supported by Scripture. Don’t equate lawlessness with being silent about evil. There is no equivalence.

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      hey Bob what about what the bible says in Numbers 5:11-21 , Hosea 13:16 , 1 sam . 15:3 . Gen 7:21 . ? just off the top of my head

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Bob I simply juxtaposed lawlessness with grace

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Bob Wizenhut

      Robert Erwine – are you suggesting that because God destroyed man for sinning that it then justifies man to continue sinning? Or to live a lawless life? Explain that logic a little more fully?

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      Bob Wizenhut “returning to the rule of law would mean following the Constitution, not going around laws just because you don’t like them, rejecting the previous administration’s use of the FBI, IRS, Dept of Justice and Intelligence agencies to go after political enemies.”

      You forgot to mention that the “rule of law,” as Trump and his supporters define it, include abusing children.

    • Hugh Lowrie
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Hugh Lowrie

      Nelson – I thought we were talking about why Christians support President Trump? Why are you bringing up President Obama and his abuse of children?

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      no , it justifies God ‘playing god ‘ and believers making excuses for it , not following any logic what so ever . does’t work out ? kill ’em all . drown them , slaughter even the innocent babies .

    • Joe Absher
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Joe Absher

      They hung bonnhoefer out of spite two weeks before the war was over. You ain’t pulling me in on that one.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Rf. waitin’ on the latter rain
      waitin’ on the latter rain
      cant you hear the holy huracan
      I ma wait mo on the latter rain

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    I like what Derek Vreeland said
    From today’s daily office lectionary reading: Jesus said, “but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Matthew 18:6) #FamilesBelongTogether ?

  • Robert Erwine
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Robert Erwine

    you could literal be a child rapist but if you are pro-life and pro-Zionist , you will get elected in the GOP

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Lies

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      no lies , you could say the most insane things ever and get elected -as long as you don’t detract from those two issues . you got it made

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      Robert Erwine are you asserting the AL case? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/jesus-in-alabama/

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      ^ didnt even know about that one , but thanks for adding

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      you didnt? 🙂 been under a rock?

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      standing on top of THE Rock actaully

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      so was Roy Moore upholding the 10 commandments (at least some of them)

    • Robert Erwine
      Reply June 21, 2018

      Robert Erwine

      like ted nugget at an all girls middle school

    • Jan Dixon Sykes
      Reply June 22, 2018

      Jan Dixon Sykes

      Christians voted for Roy Moore because they did not believe he was a pedo. They thought it was a smear campaign. They thought he had dated a couple 18 year olds a couple times back when he was 32, but did not have sex with them. I think the age of consent back then was 16. I had aunts in AR back then who were getting married around age 17 to grown men.

    • Joseph Kidwell
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Joseph Kidwell

      White Christians voted for him. Thank God for the black Church!

    • Gregg McMahan
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Gregg McMahan

      That is correct Robert Erwine

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Tom Steele From Here To The Border, Trump Policy Outrages Jews Rabbis in Southwest say people are ‘up in arms’ about zero-tolerance approach.
    http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/from-here-to-the-border-trump-policy-outrages-jews/

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Robert Erwine Timothy K. Wiebe I liked what Dr. Larry Martin said
    I am surprised at how much animus and vitriol the immigration debate has stirred. If you are in favor of enforcing our border laws you are not just wrong–you are a hater, you have no compassion and you are not a Christian.

    • Jan Dixon Sykes
      Reply June 22, 2018

      Jan Dixon Sykes

      You like that someone judged people’s hearts & determined they “had no compassion”? Wow! Not that they are mistaken, or misinformed, but are “not a Christian”? We are allowed to judge THINGS, but not the state of people’s hearts! “Judge not that ye be not judged.” Jesus

  • Terry Wiles
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Terry Wiles

    There certainly is a lot of hate spewing out of professing Christians.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    I have been watching and listening and pondering and it seems to me that the church of the future is a charismatic church. It’s not a charismatic church in the way that’s too commonly understood because of abuse, where spiritual gifts become tools of manipulation, where unhealthy emotions drive worship, where political personalities and agendas are at the center of what more and more seems to become a country’s regime cult to personality

  • Jo Ann Wilson-Wheeler

    Who are we to judge? I will say when he was first campaigning in (Detroit MI I think) and was prayed with him there was a powerful anointing and I felt it!!

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Bob Wizenhut We judge a tree by its fruits I like what

    Kenneth Tanner said:
    There are no alien children; every child I’ve ever met is a human child. There are no illegal children; it’s not against the law to be a child. They are just children, little ones who belong to him. Call them alien or illegal, they are the precious ones Jesus invites to his side. For me, the ongoing crisis at our southern border is not about the President or the Congress or the Courts. The crisis is about the character of the American nation.
    This is not about partisan politics. It’s about human beings and how we value or devalue them….

    • Jan Dixon Sykes
      Reply June 22, 2018

      Jan Dixon Sykes

      If children have value go fix their country so they have a decent place to live. Get their leaders saved so their country will be righteous & safe.

    • Hugh Lowrie
      Reply June 22, 2018

      Hugh Lowrie

      OK, I get it. President Obama put children in cages and treated them like animals. But President Trump hasn’t done this. And he has worked to find a way to not separate children from their parents while Congress works on a solution. What does the sins of past Presidents have to do with whether President Trump is saved or not? And why should we even care if President Trump is saved if the fruits are God honoring?

  • Terry Wiles
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Terry Wiles

    Sounds good until it’s tied to Republican and/or Democrat political bias.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Terry Wiles <= is on fire BUT I may need to refuel.
    Gas prices are slowly climbing??
    Trump trying to make America walk again

  • Bob Wizenhut
    Reply June 22, 2018

    Bob Wizenhut

    Troy Day – why should Christians care if President Trump is saved or not, or if Romney is Morman, or what faith President Obama was? What was the purpose of your post? As I said, Christians will follow leaders who’s actions are consistent with what Christians are called to fight for. King Jehu got the devote followers of God to support him not because he proved he had repented and had a changed heart but because he proved his zeal through action.

  • James P Bowers
    Reply June 22, 2018

    James P Bowers

    Some facts: Since 2014, hundreds of thousands of children and families have fled to the United States because of rampant violence and gang activity in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. U.S. laws provide asylum or refugee status to qualified applicants, but the Trump administration says smugglers and bad actors are exploiting these same laws to gain entry. Nielsen says the government has detected hundreds of cases of fraud among migrants traveling with children who are not their own. Trump says he wants to close what he describes as “loopholes” in these humanitarian-relief laws.

    The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous people. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.

    Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, those who posed a national security risk and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies as well as misdemeanors.Then, in April 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled out the zero-tolerance policy.

    When families or individuals are apprehended by the Border Patrol, they’re taken into DHS custody. Under the zero-tolerance policy, DHS officials refer any adult “believed to have committed any crime, including illegal entry,” to the Justice Department for prosecution. If they’re convicted, they’re usually sentenced to time served. The next step would be deportation proceedings.

    Illegal entry is a misdemeanor for first-time offenders and a conviction is grounds for deportation. Because of Trump’s executive order, DHS can deport people for misdemeanors more easily, because the government no longer prioritizes the removal of dangerous criminals, gang members or national-security threats. (A DHS fact sheet says, “Any individual processed for removal, including those who are criminally prosecuted for illegal entry, may seek asylum or other protection available under law.”)

    Families essentially are put on two different tracks. One track ends with deportation. The other doesn’t.

    After a holding period, DHS transfers children to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) in the Department of Health and Human Services. They spend an average 51 days at an ORR shelter before they’re placed with a sponsor in the United States, according to HHS. The government is required to place these children with family members whenever possible, even if those family members might be undocumented immigrants. “Approximately 85 percent of sponsors are parents” who were already in the country “or close family members,” according to HHS. Some children have no relatives available, and in those cases the government may keep them in shelters for longer periods of time while suitable sponsors are identified and vetted.

    Adding it all up, this means the Trump administration is operating a system in which immigrant families that are apprehended at the border get split up, because children go into a process in which they eventually get placed with sponsors in the country while their parents are prosecuted and potentially deported.This is a question of Trump and his Cabinet choosing to enforce some laws over others. The legal landscape did not change between the time the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants during its first 15 months and the time the zero-tolerance policy took effect in April 2018.

    What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors (Washington Post, June 19, 2018).

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 25, 2018

    Troy Day

    Ricky Grimsley I wonder if any of the liberal preachers preached some kinda message yesterday about how trump is pharaoh and he needs to let his people go. Timothy K. Wiebe https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump/trump-calls-for-deporting-illegal-immigrants-with-no-judges-or-court-cases-idUSKBN1JK0OL

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Today’s visit w the children in Texas impacted @flotus greatly. If media would spend their time & energy on her actions & efforts to help kids – rather than speculate & focus on her wardrobe – we could get so much accomplished on behalf of children. #SheCares #ItsJustAJacket

    • Joseph Kidwell
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Joseph Kidwell

      Trump is a hypocrite! On one hand he screams about the “rule of law” and on the other hand, he wants to eliminate the courts.#AspiringDictator

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 25, 2018

    Troy Day

    tagged Joseph Kidwell you are IT

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      I’m sure God appreciates humor and satire. He knows the intents of the heart.

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Nelson Banuchi

      I placed the pic on my FB page…

    • Ira Huth
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Ira Huth

      Troy Day why didn’t you post my whole comment and just part of it on this thread???
      Since you didn’t hear it is my entire comment.
      Ira Huth, it’s accurate. “You shall know the truth & the truth shall set you free.”. There is something liberating about truth. I grant you, Ira Huth, if this pictured Hillary on abortion or Obama on the LGBTQ agenda, you would have had no problem with it, and rightly so. If we are going to be a prophetic people, we have to be willing to call out both sides when they violate the values of the Kingdom of God.
      Joseph Kidwell yes you are right there would be some that would post something similar if it was Hillary ect. and I’m sure there has been some in the past. But that is not me as well as the majority of others and does not make it right. In addition it is not portraying the image of Christ, the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, the Church of God, the Assembly of God, Pentecostal’s and the Body of Christ in general. We are to love our enemies, we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin.
      Very, very distasteful and shameful!!!!!!

  • Ira Huth
    Reply June 25, 2018

    Ira Huth

    I agree Pastor Terry Wiles as well as many others that there is a lot of hate spewing out of professing Christians.
    It’s sad and a shame for the Kingdom, the Body of Christ. And very sad for the ones who are spewing hatred for one day we all will have to stand before the King and Kings.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 25, 2018

    Troy Day

    Ira Huth Joseph Kidwell Not sure if Terry Wiles meant what you are saying but he can speak for himself – If I may paraphrase Daniel Rushing here just a bit

    One can be as holy as one wants and could be
    but when you stand in approving of separating children from parents
    you are no better than any abortionists and socialistsS
    Such person has lost his/her first love
    and the Spirit of God is not in them

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Tell that to the angel Moms.

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      I don’t see you defending them in any way

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Troy Day

      Timothy K. Wiebe the point is not mine to defend. Daniel Rowe can speak for himself, though what he said was pretty clear with no need for further elaboration

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Talk about angel moms, enough said

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Troy Day

      Talking about loosing your first love, enough said

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply June 25, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Anyone who doesn’t care about little kids being burned alive, isn’t really saved

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Troy Day

      @Timothy K. Wiebe more kids are killed by drunk drivers. Should we kick them out of the country too?

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 25, 2018

    Troy Day

    Taking Children from Their Parents Is a Form of State Terror called in the 1930 social fascism Google IT https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

    • Jerome T Morris
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Jerome T Morris

      No one is taking children from anyone.
      Their parents are breaking the law.
      Let’s place the blame where it belongs, on the parents…

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Troy Day

      The president just signed an order saying otherwise. Dont know about all the liberal Christians in this group but I agree with the President on this one

  • Terry Wiles
    Reply June 26, 2018

    Terry Wiles

    Happens every day in our judicial systems.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Troy Day

      Kids being caged for the sins of their parents? Naah – dont think so. What ever happened to democracy and freedom for all

  • Jerome T Morris
    Reply June 26, 2018

    Jerome T Morris

    The plan of salvation is found in the book of acts chapter 2 verse 38.

    If President trump obeyed acts 2:38.. then he is saved..

    • Daniel Rushing
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Daniel Rushing

      You will know them by the fruit that they bear, not the prayers that they pray. In fact, Jesus said to be particularly wary of those who feel justified by the latter and not the former.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 26, 2018

    Troy Day

    When did he do that Jerome T Morris Haven heard a word about Trump being baptized? Is is possible to backslide once saved?

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Troy Day Trump flipped on the issue of children because of the optics – which were quickly turning against him and therefore the bigger agenda he has. The number of children that were incarcerated apart from their parents during Obama was much higher than the few thousand children currently separated under this Administration.

      Anyway in most cases it’s a temporary separation – much shorter than American prisoners and their families. But the libs and godless people have hyped the situation because they are desperate to find something to undermine the success of a man they hate. They also hate Christians, moral people, societal standards and norms, and American exceptionalism.

      If you have read any books or watched any summary documentaries by Dinesh Desousa explaining the ideology of Obama and the left then you would know what I think is the truth. Plainly said: Obama has an anti-colonial ideology and he is and “Alynskyite“ – who use communist and mob strong arm tactics to get what they want. Simply put: create chaos and then step in and take control. If you want proof: and look at the chaos now which is a result of a collapsed Democrat party that Obama created; look at Occupy Wall Street; look at the protests against Freddy Gray and Michael Brown (Ferguson) incidents. Look at the “Arab Spring” chaos causeds by Obama’s intentional policies.

      Generally speaking anything that brings America down Obama was for and worked toward.

      Proof of that is Trump’s unleashing of the American potential by simply removing some of the Obama nonsense.

      By the way, Hillary Clinton wrote her masters thesis on Saul Alynskey.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Troy Day

      Well, either way, he is the president and we need to follow him as nation right? I follow him in his decision to issue the order and stop separating children from parents

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Troy Day yes I agree with what he’s trying to do and I pray for him and the country that it will have one more chance at revival and righteousness. Though Trump is not a “pastor” and his level of Christian faith is questionable, he definitely has a lot of common sense about what needs to be done for the sake of the nation.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Troy Day

      I think it was a good decision. Much better than the prior one. Of course, IMO it was all done as political game to be able to say – see how much we need the wall. Joseph Kidwell

    • Joseph Kidwell
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Joseph Kidwell

      Neil Steven Lawrence, what was godless was ripping these children from their mothers.

    • Joseph Kidwell
      Reply June 26, 2018

      Joseph Kidwell

      Neil Steven Lawrence, he has no common sense. A good example are the tarriffs that he has slapped on other countries which are resulting in tarriffs being slapped on us. Harley-Davidson is now going to have to lay off American workers and increase production oversea. Soybean farmers are being hit hard as a high percentage of soybeans go to China and now soybean prices are dropping like a rock and the farmers are stuck with the crops. The same for hogs, bourbon etc. The ironic thing is that all but one of the affected states voted for Trump. This is just one example of many that I can list tht the man really is a moron.

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Joseph Kidwell the tariffs these countries already have on USA goods is punitive and unrealized by most people. If Trumps doing anything wrong, it is that he’s not communicating well enough how badly we are already being ripped off!

      When someone is cutting your throat don’t be so foolish as to complain that your rescuer wants to trim their nails!

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Troy Day

      Punitive? You are not talking about the price of gas that sky rocked after the breaking of the Iranian deal?

    • Joseph Kidwell
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Joseph Kidwell

      Neil Steven Lawrence, that is not true. The retaliatory tariffs are going to damage our economy. Tariffs have never worked and in a global economy are even more harmful. We are going to lose jobs, especially if Trump follows through on automobiles.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Troy Day

      Harley is already out

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Troy Day we pay $4.50 per gallon in Kenya just across the sea from the Middle East. What does your “skyrocket” price look like?

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Troy Day that’s good… Let the Chinese copy Harley and make their own version… If they haven’t already done it!

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 27, 2018

      Troy Day

      They have It is now called Har-Lee 🙂

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 27, 2018

    Troy Day

    They find it difficult to submit to authority. Hyper-spiritual people are usually full of pride and believe they are more gifted than pastors or other spiritual leaders. Therefore they find it impossible to receive instruction or correction from anyone. They become renegades, and they separate themselves from the body of Christ, which only puts them in a spiritually vulnerable position. https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/44767-don-t-let-super-spiritual-people-hurt-your-church

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 27, 2018

    Troy Day

    Ricky Grimsley George Orwell was right: “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/here-it-comes-the-warnings-about-a-civil-war-in-america-are-becoming-much-louder

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 28, 2018

    Troy Day

    As I read the Bible I don’t see where anyone gets a free pass to continue living their life in the same manner as before conversion. I expect to see evidence of the fruits of the Spirit whether the person is a President or a ditch digger. A new creation is just that, a NEW creation. Old things are passed away, giving way to the new Ricky Grimsley Joseph Kidwell Scotty Searan

    • Jerome T Morris
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Jerome T Morris

      Troy Day. You don’t change instantly into a perfect saint upon becoming a Christian..

      The old man wants to come out. You have to learn to keep the old person under submission…

      That takes time reading and hearing the word..

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Troy Day

      You are right We need to take under consideration that he is an old man

    • Jerome T Morris
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Jerome T Morris

      Troy Day , young or old. Our new life starts the day we follow Acts 2:38..

  • Miguel Alvarez
    Reply June 28, 2018

    Miguel Alvarez

    He is the Antichrist

    • Jerome T Morris
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Jerome T Morris

      No he ain’t.. every since I can remember people have claimed presidents and others being The antichrist..

      They all been wrong..

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Troy Day

      Ricky Grimsley tried to tell ya 🙂

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 29, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      List the reasons why.

  • Gregg McMahan
    Reply June 28, 2018

    Gregg McMahan

    Miguel AlvarezAlvarez, I think that you could be right.

  • Lyn Wilson
    Reply June 28, 2018

    Lyn Wilson

    I have no idea what Trump’s personal religious experiences or beliefs are like. I do know that he has acted in a way deeply respectful of Christians while he has been president. Let’s contrast that to Barrack Obama, who gave the infamous “Bitter clinger” remark, and Hillary Clinton, who said “deeply held religious beliefs need to be changed”. Night and day, in my opinion.

    I don’t think Trump was even a conservative for much of his life. He did support HRC in an election. But, he certainly has governed like a conservative as president, apart from the tariff thing.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 28, 2018

    Troy Day

    Lyn Wilson none of them ever claimed supernatural salvation in mid-election and afterwords. Did not dare to declare and feared our conservative evangelical anger. Our conservative evangelical values are now mocked and dragged through the mud as both Dobson and Paula White gave statements of supernatural salvific conversion. Where is the FRUIT? Joseph Kidwell

    • Lyn Wilson
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Lyn Wilson

      I don’t listen to Dobson or Paula White. If they know Trump personally, maybe they know he accepted Jesus, but I doubt it. Conservative evangelical values are always going to be mocked by the Left. The only way that would ever stop, is for us to abandon our beliefs in the divine and reduce Christianity to a wealth redistribution philosophy.

      I cringe when I see religious leaders mix in politics. The stuff Pat Robertson has said over the years is enough for me.

    • Troy Day
      Reply June 28, 2018

      Troy Day

      Just reminding of what they said That’s all

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 28, 2018

    Troy Day

    Jan Dixon Sykes if the people that brought testimony of salvific experience are not reliable; if there has never been a personal confession of being saved; if the fruit is not there => OP rests Joseph Kidwell Not sure what else could be added to the truth

  • Pete Fiske
    Reply June 29, 2018

    Pete Fiske

    Troy Day, a president’s spiritual condition isn’t necessarily the stuff of what’s going to make him a good president. I think Trump has certainly been being drawn in by the Holy Spirit, and his actions have shown a tender heart toward biblical Christianity on several fronts, most notably protecting Christians being persecuted in the third world. I have yet to see any evidence that Barack Hussein Obama was a Christian.

    • Neil Steven Lawrence
      Reply June 29, 2018

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      An accurate observation. I saw something blip across the news… Something about the Trump administration removing Muslim and homosexual things out of the White House… I don’t know what but I’m sure it was nasty. Anybody who lights up the White House in rainbow colors intentionally, does not have the Holy Spirit but a different spirit.

      With Trump the whole experience is unexpectedly refreshing. No doubt his vice president has an impact on him along with the Holy Spirit. Think about all the prayers he is now receiving that he never received before.

      The Obamanation was the most demonically inspired president we have ever had. Also, the most idealogically driven president we’ve ever had.

      Here are the homosexual staff members of the Obamanation WH proudly taking a photo together.

  • Kelly Crites
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Kelly Crites

    I dont know. I heard that he repeated the sinner’s prayer, which does nothing unless he truly repents and believes the gospel. I hope he is though. I know he isn’t always surrounded by the best biblical teachers, but hopefully someone has proclaimed the gospel to him and God has changed his heart.

  • Michael Mcdonald
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Michael Mcdonald

    Nope

  • Michael Mcdonald
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Michael Mcdonald

    He admitted he doesn’t believe in asking God for forgiveness .. it’s documented in an interview

  • Michael Mcdonald
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Michael Mcdonald

    Of course his supporters will cover their eyes and ears and yell fake news

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Troy Day

    about what? Michael Mcdonald his true salvation ?

  • Toby Lee Fricks
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Toby Lee Fricks

    Don’t know, that’s not for me to decide, but I Love the job he’s doing as President.

  • Link Hudson
    Reply June 5, 2019

    Link Hudson

    Where are the voices claiming that he is saved? He has some respect for traditional Christianity, has some political objectives many US Christians believe in (appointing judges with sense and outlawing abortion) and seems bolder tgan mist politicians about accomplishing these objectives.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 6, 2019

    Troy Day

    Link Hudson Steve Maxwell BOTH of yalls memory is too SHORT for your tongues ./or fingers I know Link lats about 2 weeks without a reminder but Steve is more of a new mexico NON memorum Anyhow I will ask both @Bob Wizenhut and Nelson Banuchi to remind the group when James Dobson made a big stink in the media about some secret prayer with Paula when Trump confessed and was saved

    then Charles Page properly commented

    This is a political maneuver on the part of James Dobson, he has accept Jesus in proxy for Trump. I am still voting for Trump and glad it is not Dobson running for president.

    and we have to agree Now that Paula is an apostle she still claims the salvific experience under her belt she has an office at the White House. It seems she is a trusted staff member and influence with Trump family http://time.com/4493530/donald-trump-prayer/

    • Link Hudson
      Reply June 6, 2019

      Link Hudson

      2 weeks? I have no idea what youare talking about because I do not read everything on this forum. I have taken to unfollowing threads on this forum if you tag me and it is not of particular interest to me. If you read it that does not mean I read it

      I have heard or read rumors of Trump repeating a prayer. Did not see details. If God transforms him I would hope we can witness the fruit.

      I still do not remember any evangelical leaders saying to vote for him because he was saved.

  • Nelson Banuchi
    Reply June 6, 2019

    Nelson Banuchi

    To the question whether Trump is saved, I can only go by, among other divinely inspired Scriptural texts, 1 John 3:7-7,10.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 6, 2019

    Troy Day

    Charles Page are you telling us you voted Hillary ?

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 8, 2019

    Troy Day

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