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What Pentecostal Leaders Really Think About Donald Trump After Leaked Audio
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Why I Believe Trump Is the Prophesied Presidentwritten by Lance Wallnau… to Steve Strang for the courage to publish this potentially controversial piece. Trump is not a perfect man or a flawless candidate. But I do believe I’ve heard God. Lance Wallnau is a catalytic…
05 October 2016 Is Trump Himself a Prophet? This Businessman Says Yes!written by Lance Wallnau
… how many will join me? Are you willing to become the missing grassroots needed in the final weeks? Everything is at stake. Dr. Lance Wallnau is a catalytic thought leader. An internationally recognized
18 August 2016 Donald Trump Key to Isaiah 45 Prophecy?written by Lance Wallnau… ball is sent to break the spell and stop the death spiral. The Cyrus anointing will build and restore. Dr.Lance Wallnau is a catalytic thought leader. An internationally recognized speaker and business …
17 August 2016 Prophecy: God Sent Donald Trump to Wage War Against Destructive Spiritswritten by Lance Wallnau… trust him. He’s not tied into the system. Dr. Lance Wallnau is a catalytic thought leader. An internationally recognized speaker and business consultant, he is one of the premiere speakers on the …Last Updated on 16 August 2016
Trump is headed for a win, says professor who has predicted 30 years of presidential outcomes correctlyA list of faith leaders calling out the Religious Right for failing to abandon Trump It’s some serious theological shade.
A list of faith leaders calling out the Religious Right for failing to abandon Trump
We can forgive Donald Trump. That doesn’t mean we should vote for him?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/11/we-can-forgive-donald-trump-that-doesnt-mean-we-should-vote-for-him/
Major Election Fraud Alert—Is This How They Are Going to Steal the Election From Donald Trump?
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/60444-major-election-fraud-alert-is-this-how-they-are-going-to-steal-the-election-from-donald-trump
NOW, CAN WE STOP THE DONALD TRUMP PROPHECIES ALREADY?
A cumulative list on Pentecostal involvement in Donald Trump’s presidency: Prophetic WARNINGS vs Prophetic WORDS
5 Prophetic WARNINGS:
- MICHAEL L BROWN SHARES WHY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/michael-l-brown-shares-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-trump/
- MAX LUCADO: DECENCY FOR PRESIDENCY http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/max-lucado-decency-for-presidency/
- Wall Street Journal: A SERIOUS REBUKE TO #EVANGELICALS SUPPORTING #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-serious-rebuke-to-evangelicals-supporting-trump/
- WHAT CHRISTIANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/
- REASONS CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/
5 Prophetic WORDS:
- THE TRUMP OF GOD (1 TH. 4:16) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE 7TH TRUMPET OF REV. 11:15-13:18. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-trump-of-god-1-th-416-is-not-the-same-as-the-7th-trumpet-of-rev-1115-1318/
- A 2ND PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT TRUMP: FROM TRUMP TO TRIUMPH http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-2nd-prophetic-dream-about-trump-from-trump-to-triumph/
- Vehement protests against Donald Trump are the work of the enemy https://www.facebook.com/groups/thelogy/permalink/978481735540175/
- PRESIDENT NIXON WITH 1987 PROPHETIC LETTER: TRUMP WILL BE PRESIDENT http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/president-nixon-with-1987-prophetic-letter-trump-will-be-president/
- SHOULD PENTECOSTALS PRAY FOR DONALD TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-pentecostals-pray-for-donald-trumps-presidency-many-were-shocked/
Finally, DONALD TRUMP personally: ‘NOBODY READS THE BIBLE MORE THAN ME’ http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/donald-trump-nobody-reads-the-bible-more-than-me/
Charlie Robin
And we are off to the races Stan Wayne https://www.facebook.com/LanceWallnau/?fref=ts
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne I have counted 9 prophetic words for Trump’s presidency thus far – – – what has thou prophesieth?
Stan Wayne
I think it is too close to call unless you are a prophet with a double Portion – too many unknown variables
Varnel Watson
http://www.charismanews.com/politics/60435-franklin-graham-what-we-need-to-keep-in-mind-after-donald-trump-s-lewd-remarks
Charlie Robin
Stan Wayne http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/14/some-big-republican-donors-want-rnc-to-cut-ties-with-trump.html
John Ramos
Alan N Carla Smith David Lewayne Porter Lee Grady Karen Lucas CharismaMAG stands by the Lance Wallnau prophecies ” FBI Absolutely Confirms What Donald Trump Already Prophesied” http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/60952-lance-wallnau-fbi-absolutely-confirms-what-donald-trump-already-prophesied Stan Wayne
Karen Lucas
Lots of things are prophesied. Are all prophecies meant to be supported? It was prophesied that Jesus would die on a cross. Would you have wanted to help pur him there because it was prophesied?
John Ramos
Depends WHO prophecies! Problem here is “Mr. Trump is uncannily prophetic! …. he predicted things …. Trump predicted ”
The real charismatic problem is people operating the Gifts of the Spirit without being baptized in the Spirit. A prime example now a politician is “predicting” things.
Are we entering an era when the church seizes operating in the gifts of the Spirit while governments and politicians “predict” and prophecy over the nation all while “have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” (Acts 19:2)?
Varnel Watson
I am sure Stan Wayne and Jan Dixon Sykes agree this is one very very valid point. And it’s huge. And its just wonderful we have so many supporters of such points. It will make us great again…
Stan Wayne
I have supported Trump from the beginning till now but would evaluate prophecy on prophets past record
Varnel Watson
I think that the point made here is about Charisma and others making Trump himself a prophet. I for one cannot agree with that. On another hand I am preparing a list of false prophets who prophesied falsely about this election and will publish them at the appropriate time.
Stan Wayne
Very good- are you one;)
Varnel Watson
You and Carl Murphy are on top of my list 🙂
Jan Dixon Sykes
Troy, I have heard so many failed prophecies by different leaders in my life, I put no stock in any of them. Even if they’ve been right before. Yes, I want Trump to win. But because I am a nationalist, not a globalist. I don’t want to be a proletariat in Hillary’s dream of a “hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.”
Karen Lucas
Well said.
Varnel Watson
Are you saying you agree with the statement that Trump is a prophet who has predicted the future?
Jan Dixon Sykes
Huh? I am voting for a president, not a prophet.
Varnel Watson
Then read the article in question which claims that the “FBI Absolutely Confirms What Donald Trump Already Prophesied” http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/60952-lance-wallnau-fbi-absolutely-confirms-what-donald-trump-already-prophesied
Jan Dixon Sykes
That does not make hm a prophet. That makes him have common sense.
Varnel Watson
Mr. Trump and his common sense is another matter 🙂
David Lewayne Porter
Exactly Jan.
Exactly
Varnel Watson
So you agree that Trump is a prophet who has predicted the future?
Carl Murphy
I think your definition of prophet is much different than mine and you have an extremely low threshold to be called one
David Lewayne Porter
No Troy
I agree
I have heard so many failed prophecies by different leaders in my life,
I put no stock in any of them. Even if they’ve been right before.
I am a nationalist, not a globalist.
I don’t want to be a proletariat in Hillary’s dream of a “hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.”
That is what I agree with.
And although I don’t buy what he says he will do
Although I don’t agree with his ethics, morals, or behavior
I can swallow his presidency easier and better that hilary
Varnel Watson
Carl Murphy We are exactly one holy week away from reveling you as a false prophet even according to my “extremely low threshold” David Lewayne Porter I ask you the question because you are responsible as a spiritual leader and pastor to your flock that follows you in all public statements related to politics and the presidential election
Carl Murphy
Please remind me when I called myself a prophet. An opinion is vastly different from a prophesy. Why you pay attention to this prophesy stuff is beyond me.
David Lewayne Porter
Troy
As a responsible Christian leader,
BUT FIRST
Yes, but FIRST
I have a Christian duty from myself to my Saviour.
Then my 2nd duty is to my wife as we are one.
Then my children as the family was here before the Church or any other group(ing).
So as a Christian that just happens to pastor and lead a flock,
I handed out voter guides on where each candidate stands on the issues. I then asked each one to consider what the Bible says, what Jesus taught, and pray concerning the election and their choice.
You see Troy
As a pastor in a 501c3 church/organization I can teach and preach on the issues
But NOT for or against a particular candidate.
So, do you know which issues each is for and against or are you just idealizing a party platform and personality?
(They are just about identical whether party platform or for the individual – I just wonder if you have actually checked and done the due diligence for your homework?).
David Lewayne Porter
Troy Day
Here is the post from yesterday that you said you could not find….
Please read the one preceeding this one.
Varnel Watson
Amalgamation of the prophetic with the political in the Byzantium was called a symbiosis of church and state. In this country we have long recognized a separation of church and state. Though, some calvinistic and Kingdom Now theology have made the way to merge both for what in fact is a ludicrous and utopian church state with a physical Christ present on earth.
Bottom line, Trump is not the prophet of God or to the church. If he is a prophet of someone else we may have arrived at the point of history which Ricky Grimsley has described as being setup for the Antichrist
Carl Murphy
Please my all means tell me about this antichrist. The Bible speaks of the spirit of antichrist which makes anyone that speaks against Christ and antichrist.
Jan Dixon Sykes
Trump is nobody’s “prophet.” He is a leader. I want him to lead America.
Varnel Watson
To that I fully agree with the words of David Lewayne Porter “Exactly Jan. Exactly”
David Lewayne Porter
I don’t want him to lead us,
But I am a NEVER HILARY
So I am
Stuck.
Jan Dixon Sykes
Well, he and I match positions. He is pro gun, pro energy independence, pro Congressional term limits, anti lobbyists, anti TPP, anti Common Core, anti Obamacare, pro Israel, anti globalism, pro lower taxes, pro extreme vetting of immigrants, pro bringing back off shore money, pro lowering corporate tax rates so they don’t leave, anti nation building, pro safe zone for Syrians off shore, pro life, pro traditional marriage, pro conservative judges.
Varnel Watson
One thing Charles Page is right – – – Once you excell in non-profit you also excel in non-prophet
David Lewayne Porter
I think (as I have observed some “prophets” or “prophe-liars”) I would rather have no prophets than false prophets.
Carl Murphy
I would like a biblical reference where we are to worship prophets, like some that worship Perry Stone and hang on his every word
Varnel Watson
Carl and David WHY Charisma MAG is calling Trump a prophet is the question of this discussion…
David Lewayne Porter
Troy
The OP by you did not say trump was a prophet, but said he was the prophesied president.
Also you named me and brought me into the discussion for my views when you questioned my reply on Jan’s comment as to why I said “exactly”.
I don’t see the Charisma article or a reference to trump being a prophet other than where you interpreted it that way (your own words).
Varnel Watson
Pls read the article which Charisma posted in respect to the OP. Proper citings were included above for the careful reader http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/60952-lance-wallnau-fbi-absolutely-confirms-what-donald-trump-already-prophesied
Terry Wiles
The mag has a very loose definition of what a prophet is.
David Lewayne Porter
Here was the OP and both references
David Lewayne Porter
As far as trump and a prophet,,,,,
There is a difference in being a prophet, prophesying, and just stating something that you realize and know.
Donald is far from being a prophet.
As far as Charisma stating he is,,,
That is why you can’t take Charisma serious any longer.
What once was a good Christian magazine is now a waste of time, ink, and paper.
I agree with Jan in that respect.
Carl Murphy
Charisma magazine can call him a dirt bag and have the same affect
Varnel Watson
Well may be Ricky Grimsley whom I say voting 5min ago can tell us
Jan Dixon Sykes
I’ve met the editors of Charisma magazine. They are hungry for articles. So they sometimes print whatever they can get. Not that many people want to write for free. Or next to nothing–like 50 bucks.
Varnel Watson
oh come on now – we cant say this about Christian journalism or can we? Karen Lucas
Jan Dixon Sykes
They wanted ME to send them articles. Now what does that tell you?
Varnel Watson
that they want Charles Page to send them some too?
Karen Lucas
It’s a crying shame.
Varnel Watson
David Lewayne Porter I’d be happy to establish the timeline for you as soon as I’m done preaching tonight given you will be still interested
David Lewayne Porter
As far as trump and a prophet,,,,,
There is a difference in being a prophet, prophesying, and just stating something that you realize and know.
Donald is far from being a prophet.
As far as Charisma stating he is,,,
That is why you can’t take Charisma serious any longer.
What once was a good Christian magazine is now a waste of time, ink, and paper.
I agree with Jan in that respect.
As far as a time line,
I am not that interested in trump prophesied, prophesying, or being the next deliverer.
People thought obama was,, how did that turn out?
I just want this election over so we can get our appointment with the judgement of God (regardless of who He is going to use).
Varnel Watson
I think we alrady got our appointment with the judgement of God
David Lewayne Porter
Do you need a prophecy?
We AIN’T got anywhere close to it yet.
Varnel Watson
We all need a prophecy without which the people perish. I just dont see Trump being the man who brings it to us
David Lewayne Porter
Lol,
Misquoting scripture are we?
The vision keeps people from perishing – casting off restraint.
Where does scripture say that vision must come through prophecy?
Agreed on trump is not that man.
Varnel Watson
Seems like Charisma mAG strongly disagrees with you
David Lewayne Porter
And I am glad they do.
It makes me feel a lot better.
(Consider it the same joy as hilary and her followers disagreeing with me… GLORY!!)!
David Lewayne Porter
Common grace,
Common grace does not take/need/make a prophet.
Trump knowing the people involved (he knows the Clintons well so he is bound to have knowledge of those people within their circles) (that is not being a prophet).
Besides if they say he is a prophet then he disqualified himself with this – from the Charisma article, ”
In fact, back in 2013, he said that, “Huma should dump the sicko Weiner” because he’s “a calamity that is bringing her down with him.” He saw the national security implications of Abedin’s close relationship with Clinton.”
Well…..that is what trump said.
Weiner is a liability, but Huma has her own trouble which can’t be hurt by another person.
Do a YouTube and computer search of Huma, their family business and their links to Saudi Arabia, (her mother, father, and brother with their organizational ties to terrorist groups).
Trump may have nailed it on Weiner but he missed it on Huma personally.
What does the Bible say about partially right prophets?
Sorry trump, you missed it.
David Lewayne Porter
http://www.proudcons.com/anonymous-releases-bone-chilling-video-of-huma-abedin-every-american-needs-to-see/
Carl Murphy
Troy what makes Charisma magazine the end all of end alls? Is it connected to your precious Perry Stone?
Varnel Watson
Carl perhaps you are a newbie to Pentecostalism but if you search for Perry on Charisma MAG you will not find much. Not sure why. You will however find out that Charisma MAG just called Trump supporters on the internet “Surrogates have been unleashed and they’re hitting the airwaves like never before.” http://www.charismanews.com/politics/elections/61008-donald-trump-s-campaign-has-unleashed-a-blitzkrieg-on-hillary-clinton
Charles Page
I don’t believe prophecy and election go together at all
Varnel Watson
270 to win – this is money in the bank. Trump’s looking at ~240 Charles Page Trump is Presbyterian -he doesn’t accept Christ -Christ accepts him http://www.charismanews.com/politics/elections/58042-dr-james-dobson-donald-trump-has-accepted-christ
David Lewayne Porter
But Troy
You implied on another post that we have to vote for Jesus.
So with your mixed signals who you going for trump or Jesus 😉
Stan Wayne
Troy : I think I hear you prophesying that Trump will lose by 30 electoral votes.
David Lewayne Porter
Stan
Can we make that a matter of record?
Troy Day
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne David Lewayne Porter Just citing the MSNBC poll numbers from this AM. I think it is wrong to politically polarize a theological forum but then again it is the final count down…
David Lewayne Porter
Just citing,
Ok, now that I know just citing is allowed ?
If Christian brethren are not to get political
Who is?
Biblically, do brethren always have to agree?
They should but do they?
Varnel Watson
Yes just citing “David Lewayne Porter [02/20/2016 2:08 PM] I believe Cruz – president, Carson vice-president for 8 years. Then Carson president for 8 more.” “
David Lewayne Porter
Glad you understand we can just cite without “prophesying”.
Charles Page
Prophecies and predicting are two different things
Varnel Watson
Charles Page tell us now how they differ in your view?
Charles Page
Thus saith the Lord vs this is what I think
Stan Wayne
Ok so Troy – you seem to repeatedly quote liberal outlets to proclaim doom on the dark horse candidacy of Trump – we know he has a disadvantage with Dems outnumbering Rep but why do you always delight in the liberal pronouncements and accept them?
Varnel Watson
I quoted MSNBC – is this a dark liberal horse for you?
Stan Wayne
Troy : I am wondering if you understand words
Varnel Watson
How about them Korean nukes Stan Wayne
Stan Wayne
Thank God for Trump
Varnel Watson
Not what Aog said this week http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/assemblies-of-god-george-o-wood-with-a-grievous-warning-to-american-christian/
Varnel Watson
LANCE WALLNAU Believes Trump Is the president
LANCE WALLNAU Prophesied about
Daniel J Hesse
So is everyone else.
Varnel Watson
everyone else believes Trump Is the president
LANCE WALLNAU Prophesied about? I know I dont
Jan Dixon Sykes
I put out a fleece during the primary about for whom I should vote. It came back Trump.
Varnel Watson
When voted for Reagan and Bush Sr I never had no doubts Guess the world is changing that now instead of hearing from God we have to put out a fleece
Jan Dixon Sykes
Troy, it was the primary, not the general. My choices were the ever righteous Cruz or the Vulgarian Trump. The fleece came back very clear: Trump.
Robert Erwine
what specifics though ? just vague generalities and a scripture cite doesn’t make a prophecy . I will tell you though if I wanted to discredit evangelicals in america and make them a future scapegoat Trump would be my guy .
Jan Dixon Sykes
Mark Taylor was very specific in his prophecy that Trump would be President. He got his revelation in 2011.
Varnel Watson
50/50 guess
Daniel J Hesse
It was.prophesied in 1989.
Varnel Watson
Nixon did it 2 yrs earlier in 1987 http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/president-nixon-with-1987-prophetic-letter-trump-will-be-president/
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