UPDATE Papyri from John 1:50-51 sold on eBay classifieds

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UPDATE Papyri from John 1:50-51 sold on eBay classified as P134 MSS, but considered inconclusive as amulet or later lectionary at best…

After the initial examination of the newly surfaced when sold on eBay MSS we reached to friends in Bremen and Muenster to inquire per the numbering of the papyri as authentic. No official response had been received for well over a month when we decided make contact and ask some questions. The person who picked up the phone at Muenster Uni., at the center where MSS papyri are examined and classified had NO knowledge whatsoever of on P134 and its recent numbering among other authenticated New Testament MSS.

P134’s text is from John 1:50-51. I have provided a provisional transcript below in both diplomatic and full forms: 3: It is not clear whether the papyrus reads ?????? (NA28) or ??????? (P75 037 579 1424 l 2211). 4: ?????? ???????? follows the text of NA28 along with P66 P75 01 03 020 032s over against the reading ???? ?????? found in many manuscripts whose scribes harmonized to Matt. 26:64 (including 02 017 036 037 038 Maj et al.). 5: Oddly, the scribe wrote the nomen sacrum ????? in scriptio plena; cf. l. 6. 6: There is a faint trace of a supralinear stroke above the ? of ??????. ?????????? is also abbreviated.

While the discussion in this group was going on, University of Texas published a brief on p134 and its presentation at the 2015 SBL meeting in Atlanta. Much earlier than that, however, Wieland Willker determined it was NOT even John at all “From what I can gather from the verso, it does not seem to be from John. I have a note on it on my blog”

Furthermore, on l. 5, it looks like we have ????????????[, with an apostrophe separating the two gammas. Perhaps the reason why Willoughby who published extensively on Codex 2400 never mentioned this here “1,700 year old” MSS piece. As a result Wieland Willker stopped examining P134 as inconclusive.

After no being able to reach out for any information whatsoever from Muenster and their decision to classify the MSS as P134 MSS, it is only reasonable to agree with Wieland Willker’s conclusion and count out the authenticity of p134 as inconclusive till more is learned about the MSS upon further in-depth known for the MSS. With the current information available the P134 MSS could be considered at best as an amulet or later lectionary. Special thanks to Vessela Kulev Rick Wadholm Jr @Glynn Brown Tommy Wasserman and @Tony Burke for reaching out with information and suggestions in this investigation.

CrossTheology [01/30/2016 12:20 PM]
how much is it? 🙂

John Kissinger [01/30/2016 2:39 PM]
$99 http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/1700-year-old-papyrus-fragment-of-the-gospel-of-john-150-51-sold-on-ebay-presented-at-sbl-2015/

Tommy Wasserman [02/05/2016 2:45 AM]
There are many problems with this blogpost and “investigation”. Since my name is mentioned it should be noted that I do not stand behind it, although I have made several comments to the author in a facebook group. My own report on the papyrus is here: http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.se/2015/11/new-papyrus-p134-of-john-report-from-sbl.html

John Kissinger [02/09/2016 2:39 PM]
Manuscript 2427 – a fake
Greek Gospel of Mark, Chicago MS 972, Goodspeed MS 38,
Gregory-Aland No. 2427, “Archaic Mark”.
http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/Manuscript-2427.pdf

Jessica Dreyfuss [03/08/2016 12:46 PM]
Was never sold and is 100% authentic. Will be published later this year in a very prestigious journal. Likely one of a kind find.

Jessica Dreyfuss [03/11/2016 9:22 AM]
A photo adorns the home page of the SBL. I would gather they must think is quite worthwhile.

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