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Troy Day | PentecostalTheology.com
Jesus loves Haitians
and African nations.
The true King gets it
Varnel Watson
Just in time for celebrating Christian values on MLK’s birthday! Ira Huth Stan Wayne
John-Mark Neal Hales
Yeah but let’s not forget how he handpicked which nations were not allowed to join His assembly when He wrote Israel’s law.
Richard Corey Melton
Sounds more like a duck durbin quote
Bill Terrell
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Bill Terrell
John 1:11-12 1He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Richard Corey Melton
Dude get a real Bible
Bill Terrell
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. The Pharisees had theology but Jesus has the anointing and gave them a whole new outlook on their doctrine.
Varnel Watson
Pharisees had theology but Jesus has the anointing and theology
Bill Terrell
Exactly,and His theology twisted up there’s,the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God because they are Spiritually discerned.
Bill Terrell
God will use simple things to confound the wise.
Richard Mollica
Israel was punished for the way it treated the people of other nations-Prophet Amos
Joseph D. Absher
King Jesus loves all people’s but he’s not bringing them all home to live with him and his children. In fact he’ll be sending a few to hell.
…just saying
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Thanks for sharing. We must speak truth to power. That is real prophetic preaching
Bill Terrell
All people came from one man ,God chose Israel to be a vehicle for Jesus.
Varnel Watson
From Dr Michael L Brown AskDrBrown via Ricky Grimsley
Mr. President, I love you, I pray for you, & I appreciate all the good you’ve done in this last year. But I plead with you to be more careful with your words (assuming the report about your statement on certain immigrant countries is true). Surely, sir, you can do better. @POTUS
Robert R. Holliday
Some of the comments here seem to imply America is God’s chosen nation and people. Nothing like Western theology.
Gene Brown
Varnel Watson
Robert R. Holliday you hit the head on the nail 🙂 especially as called by @POTUS upon Anniversary of Devastating Earthquake That Killed Thousands http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/13/african-ambassadors-to-un-blast-trump-remark-as-racist.html
Grover Katzmarek Sr
More fake news from the far left but like sheep all believe it
Varnel Watson
fox news = fake far left ? Ira Huth Grover Katzmarek Sr
Grover Katzmarek Sr
I’ve been following this part says he said it then others say he didn’t. Ill believe my president.
The far left have done their best to get rid of Gods man for this country at this time
Ira Huth
Sorry Grover Katzmarek Sr I miss understood your comment.
Timothy Staggs
I was surprised he was ever voted in
Varnel Watson
Timothy Well what was the other option?
Timothy Staggs
No other option
Scotty Searan
I don’t like the implications of the time as to say President Trump said Jesus does not love these countries.
Yes we had laws that were unfair
This country does welcome immigrants
But having laws to control the flow of immigrants is not morally wrong.
If you come on to my property and I have a sign saying no trespassing and I enforce the law AM I A SINNER?
If so remove your locked gates and gated communities and allow all to come in as they please
Does this sound stupid
What do you think?
Kobina-Fareed Nyambson
Ain’t you aware those law to control immigration are targeted at Africans & Muslims.
Europeans and whites in general are not the targets of these so called laws
Scotty Searan
Kobina-Fareed Nyambson You must be a liberal. Because you have to bring in race.
Until the laws are reform or repealed they are the laws of our country.
I am tired of the people of foreign nations telling us how to run our country when they themselves have laws that have to be obeyed by Americans if we come to those countries or we are put in jail, maybe even killed.
There is no other country in the world that will allow citizens of another country to protest laws in there country but the USA. We don’t want to be like the Muslims, whether they are black, white or whatever. The Muslims will take away religious freedom and speech something WE AMERICANS ARE PROUD OF AND THE FOREIGNERS ARE TOO because they can protest.
Where does those laws distinguished between races?
Kobina-Fareed Nyambson
Uncle Scotty you seem to be okay with the fact that the laws are particularly targeted at Africans and Muslims and still want to accuse me of being liberal.
No never I’m not a liberal and I am not arguing for my race either, just that I want to point out the injustices being mated out to Africans just that I happen to be one.
American is not entirely Europeans’, it belongs to people of different races now with each race making equally significant contributions to it’s success so why do those on the forefront want to consciously control the African immigration while Europeans especially are particularly not targeted ?
If American is indeed full then it has to control the entrance into it’s gates by being consistent not by targeting people of particular race.
Scotty Searan
The reason why I said you are a liberal, is that the way they liberal speaks in our country bringing race into about every conversation. I hope you understand that.
Our country has a no discrimination policy that we are not to discriminate because of race. It is done and should not be done.
But if you desire to continue this is a truthful matter;
Show me the law.that discriminates against Muslims and Africans give me facts before accusing.
The Christian way is to show the facts Before you accuse
Varnel Watson
Too soon? Happy MLK day
Alden Lopez Salguero
Most of those countries don’t worship the Lord Jesus, they sacrifice animals, practice fetishism and ocultism. I wouldn’t like them to bring those practices into this country that was founded on Christianity.
Richard Mollica
Actually Africa and Asian countries are considered the cradle of Christianity in the world right now. Western Europe is considered post Christian and the USA is on the fence
Kobina-Fareed Nyambson
I don’t get why Christians sometimes want to fight for God.
If American is truly Christian as you’re implying they will never fall to Animal sacrifice, Fetishism and Ocultism … No never the Christian can never be of the world though in the world.
Scotty Searan
Kobina-Fareed Nyambson The truth is America is Christian in name only. Most People in America do not truly believe in Jesus Christ. THAT IS THE TRUTH.
True Christians in America is probably less than 5%.
Yes they have some Christian ethics. but that doesn’t make them a Christian. As well as those in your country probably say they are Muslims, but yet they do believe that gospel either.
I would say that the people who profess to be a Christian have a higher % of being a Christian than hear in a America.
Hear in America you can say you are a Christian, But commit adultery, steal, cheat, lie, swear like a sailor, get drunk, gossip and etc. and still be a church member and be called a Christian.
I am a Christian.
I do love my fellow Christians.
I am not a wealthy Christian. I would not ask a person from another country to come here, because I can’t support Them.
I would rather share what I could and let you stay in your country and let you witness, because you have a field that needs to be harvested, as well as i have a field that needs to harvested.
Yes I believe in missionary work. And that work begins right at our door.
Some may argue about the %, but SAD TO SAY AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION.
It was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics, but that doesn’t make it a Christian Nation. It never was.
Just because people say a prayer doesn’t make them a Christian. It would be nice if it did.
BUT AMERICA IS A UNIQUE REPUBLIC
Our style of Government was never tried till 1776.
The Uniqueness is FREEDOM that no other country has ever had.
But sad to say we are losing that FREEDOM because we have allowed other religions such as ISLAM to come in and try to subvert our laws, but our FREEDOM has allowed.
Our FREEDOM has allowed other philosophies such as COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM to be taught and remove our FREEDOM, but our FREEDOM has allowed that
We are not a perfect country. We have many things in our history that we are not proud of, but they are our history and we attempt to learn from our MISTAKES.
Varnel Watson
Right on Richard Mollica What is animal sacrifice have to do with racist remarks? This statement made by Alden Lopez Salguero actually contributes greatly to racial profiling and the whole issue. Have we forgotten than Cortez and hist small army put to the sword whole native American civilizations under the pretext of human sacrifice? The hypocrisy of the white man through history is more than well known
William Hooks
Let it go. He’s human and said some things that were inappropriate. We all say things we shouldn’t at times and that doesn’t mean he hates Africa. My folks have probably said some things at times out of frustration, but they do missionary work in these countries and love the people. Forgiveness works both ways, not just where it suits you. Sometimes forgiveness is uncomfortable. Rise above the media’s attempt to cause division. I forgive him and so should you. Jesus loves us all.
Scotty Searan
James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, andable also to bridle the whole body
Varnel Watson
I have found the words of these spiritual leaders to be encouraging and exemplary spiritual leadership in this situation
Dr. Michael Brown: Mr. President, I love you, I pray for you, & I appreciate all the good you’ve done in this last year. But I plead with you to be more careful with your words…
National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference President Samuel Rodriguez with a mildly critical statement.
Tim Hill of the Church of God on national leaders making disparagingly crude, demeaning and vulgar comments
Theodore Ballard
There is no doubt that God loves Haitians, Africans, and those of all other countries, but I do not believe God loves the squalor these people have to live in. Coming to America from other countries has a legal process and, in my opinion, must be observed by those wanting to enter the USA
Varnel Watson
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2018/01/16/too-old-for-daca-a-michigan-father-is-deported-after-three-decades-in-u-s/
Scotty Searan
The liberal media belittling our President for enforcing the law. This man knew he was here in our country illegally he had time to apply for citizenship and could have been a citizen by now. ICE did the right thing. I would like to state also that the illegals has drove the wages of landscapers down in our area,
Whether we like it or not. The man was breaking the law.
ICE is doing it as the law describes.
Varnel Watson
Dr. Michael Brown
Dr. Tim Hill
Dr. Samuel Rodriguez
all highly respected and influential spiritual leaders within the Pentecostal movement have taken a stand to restore the moral standard and stand against racism and bigotry in the highest circles of American government.
They are now joined by the Rev. Jentezen Franklin, a member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical advisory council who also took a solid Christian stand of love and morality in his Sunday sermon. While many questioned his presence in the so called evangelical advisory council in recent months (which was present at some of the talks), Franklin has now shown no political partiality trough personal valor of highest integrity
Ricky Grimsley Would you please post the original link of Dr.Brown’s statement for the ones who doubt its authenticity. It has been questioned that what you posted here was his words or not https://www.facebook.com/ricky.grimsley.5/posts/1905966359431919?hc_location=ufi
Varnel Watson
Here is Dr. Brown’s statement foe whoever doubted him actually saying it https://twitter.com/DrMichaelLBrown/status/951625414706892801
Scotty Searan
Troy Day I am not doubting Dr. Brown. or Jantzen Franklin’s statements. They are being public with theirs.
But are there proofs that Dr. Tim HIll and Dr. Dr. Samuel Rodriguez said what they said.
Could it be that all of these are believing the Media rather than believing President Trump and others who say this.
None of these were in the room or present or know for sure they heard President Trump say the comments. I know I keep repeating myself. But there evidence would not be permitted to be use in a court case, because it is hearsay evidence.
I know this scripture is intended for Churches. But I believe it applies to our President or any government leader.
1 Timothy 5:19-20
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
Something to think about.
Varnel Watson
You are right Scotty We have no way of knowing what you ask. I only asked for Browns remark because some said he never made it. Well here it is .We do know for a fact that Brown, Franklin and other spiritual leaders spoke out of integrity and did not lie
Scotty Searan
You are positive that they did not lie. These men saying that the President said these things on a known Senator who lies and twists Trump’s statements constantly. Trump said he did not make the statement. So I guess you believe DICKIE
Varnel Watson
the 4 spiritual leaders I cited have not given us any suspicion to their integrity and spiritual advice – why doubt them now?
Scotty Searan
Troy Day Dr. Michael Brown statement did not accuse him 100% he did state that he was assuming so that left open some place of doubt, which I think He did right and Dr. Michael Brown’s statement is right we should watch the use of our words.
But Dr. Tim Hill as good as I like to hear him preach if he did issue a statement with no assumptions following at the time one statement from a known liar. I doubt his credibility on this issue, not every issue. Dr. Hill was right in his statement about encouraging the acts of love and etc.
The same is said about Dr. jantzen Franklin statement.
Doubting there credibility about believing a known liar and media on this issue, not the men on all issues.
I haven’t read Rodriguez statement.
Varnel Watson
You need to watch Franklins video – he is very very specific and I believe he knows exactly what was said. It was discussed on the advisory board where he serves with Rodriguez and here is his statement https://nhclc.org/statement-by-rev-samuel-rodriguez-regarding-recent-donald-trump-comments/ but this is not the issue here. I posted below what I think the deeper issue is and would like your input Thanks
Scotty Searan
Troy Day I question REV. SAMUEL RODRIGUEZ’S on this issue.
He is believing a liar and the media and not assuming
Varnel Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Orc501OBEI
Scotty Searan
Dr. Michael Brown had the best approach.
Varnel Watson
Scotty Searan if I may sum it up
The problem here is not immigration in general
The problem is not even that much in the words said
The problem is of the racist implication of the approach used
The open rejection of African immigrants
for the open reception of white anglo-saxon (Norwegians were mentioned)
This is why there is so much noise among Christians about that
It is not surprise to no one that Trump curses
We are surprised that we backed a man who is now making the wrong choices that do not align with our Christian identity and moral values. This is what the noise is all about
Scotty Searan
Believing a media twist agin.
https://ilovemyfreedom.org/watch-sarah-sanders-goes-nuclear-race-baiting-reporter-says-trump-favors-white-immigrants/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=postup
Varnel Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Orc501OBEI
Scotty Searan
Until the law is reformed. Enforce the law
Exodus 34:6-7 (KJV)
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, MERCIFUL and GRACIOUS, LONGSUFFERING and ABUNDANT in GOODNESS and TRUTH.
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
This was not a law it was how God felt.
Here’s an example of the law and how it was carried out.
Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord
PAY ATTENTION TO THE HIGHLIGHTED WORDS
These are all the cath phrases that people are using, but God applied the law.
In the Old Testament every person was required to carry their own iniquity or sin.
In the New Testament we carry our own inquiry or sin, but there is a law of reaping and sowing.
1 Peter 2:19-20 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.