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Joe Absher
If it doesn’t have a verse in context forget it. You’re never going to be more spiritual than the Bible.
…just saying
Varnel Watson
Dont define it – Just do it Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Troy Day sorry was coaching a state tournament game. Prophetic preaching is preaching that lifts issues of the marginalized by preaching empowerment to the oppress and speaking truth to power. That pretty much sums it up, however I Pentecostal circles we have made it about telling the future and dancing afterwards ???
Varnel Watson
wish there was a Bible for that sometimes
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Troy Day that would be something wouldn’t it
Daniel J Hesse
Any preaching which magnifies the Lord Jesus and his story . The true spirit of prophecy.
Joe Absher
Revelation 19:10 KJV — And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Daniel J Hesse
Joe Absher target!
Joe Absher
Fire for effect!
Varnel Watson
target group?
Joe Absher
“Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.”
– Isaiah 47:12, 13
Varnel Watson
where exactly are thine thine enchantments?
Joe Absher
Vain imaginations, the flippant and careless word with little or no judgement or accountability.
Joe Absher
For adults only please:
https://youtu.be/_njz8-FHhAo
Joe Absher
“As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.”
– Isaiah 47:4
He is Jehovah Tsaba’ the Lord of host’s!!!
Headed out for the afternoon oh for a portion of the Thy Spirit oh Thou great Jehovah in Jesus name.
Joe Absher
This is a BBC documentary on witchcraft and enchantments using human remains.
Isara Mo
Joe Absher
Do you believe in that stuff called ” witchcraft”?
Isara Mo
Is it in the Bible?
Isara Mo
Honestly I think preaching under true unction is true preaching or real preaching…call it prophetic or other name…
Varnel Watson
its in the BIBLE
Ray E Horton
I see prophetic preaching as relying on Holy Spirit revelation and inspiration, which always points to Jesus, as well as intellect, in the preparation and delivery.
Joe Absher
He is Worthy
Joe Absher
“The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.”
– 1 Samuel 2:6,7
I would say also prophetic preaching clearly defines sin and it’s judgment with a portion of promise and comfort for the broken and contrite. Christ himself being the remedy.
Joe Absher
Try the old standard and see if you will make any progress with your confession. 40 minutes:
https://youtu.be/vNrY90eGoew
Varnel Watson
yes he was the one to talk about gentle 🙂
Joe Absher
I just got to the end he just had mention his Calvinism oh well. Still good preaching. He preached “believe now!” And many other such exhortations to repent and trust Christ but sticks by his doctrine. He’s Calvinist in doctrine Arminian in practice lol
Daniel J Hesse
Prophetic preaching speaks to the present condition of souls seeking reconciliation and restoration in and with God. It has both unction and urgency. It also speaks to the future challenges and opportunities which the church need pursue.
Varnel Watson
All preaching should be prophetic in the NT Greek word for preaching means to declare, proclaim spiritually, prophetically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuVJR-Auiho
Link Hudson
If preaching is prophesying should the preacher hold his peace if another sitting by recieves a revelation?
Ray E Horton
Ha,that actually is a good question, even though I susbect you are tongue in cheek. I don’t equate preaching directly with prophesy, but it can and should be prophetic. Personally, I think there should be some interchange, within reason. After all, that was the New Testament pattern: “How is it then, brothers? When you come together, every one of you has a psalm, a teaching, a tongue, a revelation, and an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification” (1 Cor. 14:26). If one is supposed to come prepared, how is what they have used if it is only the preacher preaching.
Varnel Watson
they are lots of early Pentecostal groups that actually do that – one should know our history well
Link Hudson
Troy Day i know a of Azhsa and gospelchapel… I think its called
Isara Mo
Link Hudson
You are always sober minded Link.
OT vs NT approach to the throne seems unchanged: we have to wait for the high priest to bring us a ” revelation; a message from the Most High God…”
It was a one man responsibilty to relay Gods sms to rest(congregation)..
The ” seater” had no business but to wait…and get it from the horses mouth..ALL.
But what you have raised up challenges the norm but the practitioners of the art of preaching won’t listen….they would rather have the ” seater” LISTEN TO THEM and won’t hold their peace if another sitting by receives a revelation..
In 2Chron 20 King Jehoshapat was praying to God infront of the whole Judah when ” another sitting by” received a revelation and Jehoshaphathad to hold his peace..
” This is what the Lord says…” came from the congregation not from the one who was interceding for his nation…
Link I think our modern day preaching(call it prophetic..or apostolic whatever) is a system whereby the Holy Spirit is “patented.”..” copy righted”…A property of the one who speaks…such that if they don’t speak you, who sits by, cannot hear from God..
Link Hudson
Ray E Horton not really tongue in xheek, actually. If prophesying is listed before teaching then should teaching yield for someone getting prophetic revelation like prophesying is supposed to?
Has anyone ever seen Pentecostal prophesying follow the ‘let the first hold his peace’ verse?
Isara Mo
Ray E Horton
It seems only ONE person comes with a sermon nowadays to give to the rest and, worst of all, year in year out…?
Link Hudson
Isara Mo there are house churches that seek to followI Corinthians 14:26. Also the Plymouth Brethren Movement and the groups that were associated woth Watchman Nee’s ministry. Historically there was also Azusa Street. Philip Williams coukd tell us abouran Ariamn Pentecostal group that gad a ‘threshing floor’.
There was a revival that tripled the number of evangelicals in England in the late 70s and early 80s. One Englishman descrived the harvest then and said he had someone he did not know knock on his door and ask him how to become a Christian. Another one I know described how meetings popped up in homes throughput London of people meeting and exercising spiritual gifts. They called it the house church movement there for a while. But eventually they followed cultural institutions, hired ‘the pastor’ and settled in church buildings to hear sermons.
Varnel Watson
there is NO house churches in the Greek NT – the term is the church in your home referring to believers family, slaves and his home community in particular – all 3 times it occurs in the BIBLE The modern mainly Western but also US mantra of home-church is no where in the BIBLE
Varnel Watson
The word for “preach, ” “proclaim” in the Greek New Testament is kerysso [khruvssw]. It is used thirty-two times in the Gospels, but about half of these are parallel occurrences within the Synoptic Gospels. “Proclaim” is complementary to the more specific term “evangelize” (euangelizomai) or the phrase “announce the good news, ” which contains within its meaning the object that is announced or proclaimed — the good news thus being prophetic in the sense of fulfilling the goals of the Gospel vial its audible proclamation
However, usually when “proclaim” (kerysso [khruvssw]) is used the context includes its object, which in the majority of instances is the gospel or Jesus. The noun proclaimer, herald (keryx), refers to one who proclaims news publicly usually toward an audience of people. Proclaiming the Good News in their hearts is a prophetic fulfillment of the eschatological hope of the OT prophets. But is is also hope from an already-not-yet Kingdom reality to the listeners which makes it a prophecy
https://reflections.yale.edu/article/future-prophetic-voice/speaking-truth-love-strategies-prophetic-preaching
Link Hudson
Troy Day would ypu say associating ‘preaching’ woth what we do behind a pulpit is not always accurate? Much of ‘preaching’ is teaching or exhortation rather than evangelistic per se. Some people seem to think preaching means ‘loud teaching’ or ‘loud exhortation’.
Varnel Watson
I have not a clue what you do behind the pulpit or if you ever speak behind a pulpit or if all you say about ministry is just hypothetical You need to give some more detail context
Link Hudson
Troy Day I prefer a I Cor. 14:26 meeting but I have might istered behind a pulpit sibce that is how most churches do it.
Varnel Watson
I Cor. 14:26 described by Paul was very very specific to the problems of the Corinthian church(es?) and should not be taken for granted Corinth did not have a pulpit
Isara Mo
Troy Day
Paul was addressing a disorderly service but he gave them how to do an orderly service, pulpit no pulpit….and mentions things that should happen in a real spirit and truth worship….I think the problem with Corinth was lack of leadership.. but as to the “CONTENTS”of a real worship I think the church had them.
If you read about stories of revivals, like Azusa and others, pulpit service was not the focus but the Spirit will move on people and gave utterances as He willed, healed and delivered without using Troy Days anointed “hands(A joke..take it)..
About twelve years ago there was such a church in the city I am living…people would gather together for fellowship and there would be a move of the Spirit and the gifts would be manifest through those present….regardless of office(ie pastor or apostle or prophet…) but the fire is gone now and the church is now a story of ” it used to be…we saw gifts..”
I believe we kind of ” stifle or strangle” gifts within people with this pulpit systematic preaching(my views..not Biblical though..)
Isara Mo
Link Hudson
You will be compromising …?
Larry Dale Steele
A voice crying out in the wilderness…
Varnel Watson
yes indeed
Joe Absher
I have said to friends of mine everything you say is good and right and true but you’re not broken. Further I would say You may preach alright but you don’t weep pray over the souls of men. Their hurt and loss is foriegn to you. This might be the case of the hireling. They receive their wages in the praise of men and not the honour that comes from God
Isara Mo
Joe Absher
Blessed are you Joe because you give the uppercut as a sucker punch..
:” This might be the case of the hireling(professional boxer) who receive their wages in the praise of men and not the honour that comes from God…)
Joe Absher
Sometimes they come around
Varnel Watson
Michael Ellis Carter Jr. in my own words (iMOW) we should define it very very carefully – to fully answer the question
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Troy Day yeah I tried to throw out something forward thinking, academic, yet not something that would incite a riot lol. I will say it is interesting how every other group or denomination has different views, thoughts, and definitions of the term that is drastically different than Pentecostals and charismatic groups to some degree
Varnel Watson
iMOW vs youMOW
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Troy Day I agree with many different definitions and thing we need to have one that is more inclusiveness
Joe Absher
“I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.”
– Revelation 3:8
“Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, andwounded the dragon?
Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that HATH MADE the DEPTHS of the SEA a WAY for the ransomed to pass over?
Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall beupon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; andsorrow and mourning shall flee away.”
Isaiah 51:9-11
Revelation 1:18 KJV — I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the KEYS of HELL and of DEATH.
Mark 10:27 KJV — And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for WITH GOD ALL THINGS are POSSIBLE.
Jesus is a WAYMAKER!!!
Faithful and True!!!
A very present help in a time of trouble!!!
Jim Price
There are two kinds of Prophetic preaching. One is forth telling and the other is fore telling.
Varnel Watson
you may need to explain the difference to us
Isara Mo
Jim Price
Forth telling(Rhema?) and fore telling (prophecy?)
Terry Wiles
Spirit inspired anointed proclamation of the word of God. Different from an interpretation of tongues.
Varnel Watson
both equal to prophecy ?
Terry Wiles
Troy Day no. Corinthians says tongues are men speaking to God. The interpretation should reflect the content of what is being said.
Prophecy is God speaking to man through man.
Varnel Watson
dont Corinthians say tongues + interpretation equals prophecy ?
Terry Wiles
Not in my bible
Varnel Watson
Compare this to 1 Corinthians 14:3: “But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification and exhortation and comfort” (emphasis added). In the same chapter, verse 5 says that the utterance of unknown tongues brings edification to the church when it is interpreted
Joe Absher
https://youtu.be/tFEnxao3vvo
Terry Wiles
And several times it says when you speak in tongues you are speaking to God and the the interpretation is necessary in the church so they will be able to say amen at the giving of thanks. Read it verse by verse.
Daniel J Hesse
I prefer apathetic preaching.
Isara Mo
A man either speaks as a spirit being or a carnal being: his utterance is either God moved(inspired) or own mind activated.
When the utterance is spirit activated it is ” prophetic”( sounds big but is a small word)
When Peter preached and 3000 got saved was it prophetic or apostolic since he,Peter was an apostle not a prophet.
His utterance was spirit fired and the Bible said people were ” pierced ” to the heart..
Isaiah ” prophesied”….uttering things not yet in…(foretelling the future) and we call his utterance ” prophecies”….
John in the book of Revelation saw a vision and penned it…past, present and future…and the words are called ” words of this prophesy”……
A preacher (not necessarily a prophet or apostle) would be preaching and in the midst of his preaching or teaching will pause and say ” I can see someone being healed of cancer..eg or God shows me or tells me this and that (you know all the stuff)…etc .This is also called prophecy…(Word of knowledge and Word of Wisdom?)
I personally don’t see a precise definition of the so called ” prophetic preaching”
When someone proclaims scriptures in whatever situation in the spirit wouldn’t they be ” prophesying”?
We coin things to suit our styles…or to fit our tux…
Call it ” prophetic preaching ” or whatever catchy phrase you give it, if preaching is mind propelled not spirit propelled it is utter empty utterance..sweet to the speaker…only.
It might even sound like “SOUND DOCTRINE” where human logic and reason.and intelligence is used……sometimes ” prophetically”
Daniel J Hesse
African prophetic ecstatic speech.