sermon February 23, 2019 How do you define Prophetic Preaching? Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post PentecostalTheology .com Previous articleCAN YOU EXPLAIN Why was earth created formless and void WITHOUT GAP THEORY? Next articleFasting DAY 33 68 Comments Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher If it doesn’t have a verse in context forget it. You’re never going to be more spiritual than the Bible. …just saying Reply February 23, 2019 Varnel Watson Dont define it – Just do it Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Reply February 23, 2019 Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Troy Day sorry was coaching a state tournament game. Prophetic preaching is preaching that lifts issues of the marginalized by preaching empowerment to the oppress and speaking truth to power. That pretty much sums it up, however I Pentecostal circles we have made it about telling the future and dancing afterwards ??? Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson wish there was a Bible for that sometimes Reply February 24, 2019 Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Troy Day that would be something wouldn’t it Reply February 23, 2019 Daniel J Hesse Any preaching which magnifies the Lord Jesus and his story . The true spirit of prophecy. Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher Revelation 19:10 KJV — And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Reply February 23, 2019 Daniel J Hesse Joe Absher target! Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher Fire for effect! Reply February 23, 2019 Varnel Watson target group? Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher “Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.” – Isaiah 47:12, 13 Reply February 23, 2019 Varnel Watson where exactly are thine thine enchantments? Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher Vain imaginations, the flippant and careless word with little or no judgement or accountability. Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher For adults only please: https://youtu.be/_njz8-FHhAo Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher “As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.” – Isaiah 47:4 He is Jehovah Tsaba’ the Lord of host’s!!! Headed out for the afternoon oh for a portion of the Thy Spirit oh Thou great Jehovah in Jesus name. Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher This is a BBC documentary on witchcraft and enchantments using human remains. Reply February 23, 2019 Isara Mo Joe Absher Do you believe in that stuff called ” witchcraft”? Reply February 23, 2019 Isara Mo Is it in the Bible? Reply February 23, 2019 Isara Mo Honestly I think preaching under true unction is true preaching or real preaching…call it prophetic or other name… Reply February 23, 2019 Varnel Watson its in the BIBLE Reply February 23, 2019 Ray E Horton I see prophetic preaching as relying on Holy Spirit revelation and inspiration, which always points to Jesus, as well as intellect, in the preparation and delivery. Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher He is Worthy Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher “The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.” – 1 Samuel 2:6,7 I would say also prophetic preaching clearly defines sin and it’s judgment with a portion of promise and comfort for the broken and contrite. Christ himself being the remedy. Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher Try the old standard and see if you will make any progress with your confession. 40 minutes: https://youtu.be/vNrY90eGoew Reply February 23, 2019 Varnel Watson yes he was the one to talk about gentle 🙂 Reply February 23, 2019 Joe Absher I just got to the end he just had mention his Calvinism oh well. Still good preaching. He preached “believe now!” And many other such exhortations to repent and trust Christ but sticks by his doctrine. He’s Calvinist in doctrine Arminian in practice lol Reply February 23, 2019 Daniel J Hesse Prophetic preaching speaks to the present condition of souls seeking reconciliation and restoration in and with God. It has both unction and urgency. It also speaks to the future challenges and opportunities which the church need pursue. Reply February 23, 2019 Varnel Watson All preaching should be prophetic in the NT Greek word for preaching means to declare, proclaim spiritually, prophetically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuVJR-Auiho Reply February 23, 2019 Link Hudson If preaching is prophesying should the preacher hold his peace if another sitting by recieves a revelation? Reply February 23, 2019 Ray E Horton Ha,that actually is a good question, even though I susbect you are tongue in cheek. I don’t equate preaching directly with prophesy, but it can and should be prophetic. Personally, I think there should be some interchange, within reason. After all, that was the New Testament pattern: “How is it then, brothers? When you come together, every one of you has a psalm, a teaching, a tongue, a revelation, and an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification” (1 Cor. 14:26). If one is supposed to come prepared, how is what they have used if it is only the preacher preaching. Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson they are lots of early Pentecostal groups that actually do that – one should know our history well Reply February 24, 2019 Link Hudson Troy Day i know a of Azhsa and gospelchapel… I think its called Reply February 24, 2019 Isara Mo Link Hudson You are always sober minded Link. OT vs NT approach to the throne seems unchanged: we have to wait for the high priest to bring us a ” revelation; a message from the Most High God…” It was a one man responsibilty to relay Gods sms to rest(congregation).. The ” seater” had no business but to wait…and get it from the horses mouth..ALL. But what you have raised up challenges the norm but the practitioners of the art of preaching won’t listen….they would rather have the ” seater” LISTEN TO THEM and won’t hold their peace if another sitting by receives a revelation.. In 2Chron 20 King Jehoshapat was praying to God infront of the whole Judah when ” another sitting by” received a revelation and Jehoshaphathad to hold his peace.. ” This is what the Lord says…” came from the congregation not from the one who was interceding for his nation… Link I think our modern day preaching(call it prophetic..or apostolic whatever) is a system whereby the Holy Spirit is “patented.”..” copy righted”…A property of the one who speaks…such that if they don’t speak you, who sits by, cannot hear from God.. Reply February 24, 2019 Link Hudson Ray E Horton not really tongue in xheek, actually. If prophesying is listed before teaching then should teaching yield for someone getting prophetic revelation like prophesying is supposed to? Has anyone ever seen Pentecostal prophesying follow the ‘let the first hold his peace’ verse? Reply February 24, 2019 Isara Mo Ray E Horton It seems only ONE person comes with a sermon nowadays to give to the rest and, worst of all, year in year out…? Reply February 24, 2019 Link Hudson Isara Mo there are house churches that seek to followI Corinthians 14:26. Also the Plymouth Brethren Movement and the groups that were associated woth Watchman Nee’s ministry. Historically there was also Azusa Street. Philip Williams coukd tell us abouran Ariamn Pentecostal group that gad a ‘threshing floor’. There was a revival that tripled the number of evangelicals in England in the late 70s and early 80s. One Englishman descrived the harvest then and said he had someone he did not know knock on his door and ask him how to become a Christian. Another one I know described how meetings popped up in homes throughput London of people meeting and exercising spiritual gifts. They called it the house church movement there for a while. But eventually they followed cultural institutions, hired ‘the pastor’ and settled in church buildings to hear sermons. Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson there is NO house churches in the Greek NT – the term is the church in your home referring to believers family, slaves and his home community in particular – all 3 times it occurs in the BIBLE The modern mainly Western but also US mantra of home-church is no where in the BIBLE Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson The word for “preach, ” “proclaim” in the Greek New Testament is kerysso [khruvssw]. It is used thirty-two times in the Gospels, but about half of these are parallel occurrences within the Synoptic Gospels. “Proclaim” is complementary to the more specific term “evangelize” (euangelizomai) or the phrase “announce the good news, ” which contains within its meaning the object that is announced or proclaimed — the good news thus being prophetic in the sense of fulfilling the goals of the Gospel vial its audible proclamation However, usually when “proclaim” (kerysso [khruvssw]) is used the context includes its object, which in the majority of instances is the gospel or Jesus. The noun proclaimer, herald (keryx), refers to one who proclaims news publicly usually toward an audience of people. Proclaiming the Good News in their hearts is a prophetic fulfillment of the eschatological hope of the OT prophets. But is is also hope from an already-not-yet Kingdom reality to the listeners which makes it a prophecy https://reflections.yale.edu/article/future-prophetic-voice/speaking-truth-love-strategies-prophetic-preaching Reply February 24, 2019 Link Hudson Troy Day would ypu say associating ‘preaching’ woth what we do behind a pulpit is not always accurate? Much of ‘preaching’ is teaching or exhortation rather than evangelistic per se. Some people seem to think preaching means ‘loud teaching’ or ‘loud exhortation’. Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson I have not a clue what you do behind the pulpit or if you ever speak behind a pulpit or if all you say about ministry is just hypothetical You need to give some more detail context Reply February 24, 2019 Link Hudson Troy Day I prefer a I Cor. 14:26 meeting but I have might istered behind a pulpit sibce that is how most churches do it. Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson I Cor. 14:26 described by Paul was very very specific to the problems of the Corinthian church(es?) and should not be taken for granted Corinth did not have a pulpit Reply February 24, 2019 Isara Mo Troy Day Paul was addressing a disorderly service but he gave them how to do an orderly service, pulpit no pulpit….and mentions things that should happen in a real spirit and truth worship….I think the problem with Corinth was lack of leadership.. but as to the “CONTENTS”of a real worship I think the church had them. If you read about stories of revivals, like Azusa and others, pulpit service was not the focus but the Spirit will move on people and gave utterances as He willed, healed and delivered without using Troy Days anointed “hands(A joke..take it).. About twelve years ago there was such a church in the city I am living…people would gather together for fellowship and there would be a move of the Spirit and the gifts would be manifest through those present….regardless of office(ie pastor or apostle or prophet…) but the fire is gone now and the church is now a story of ” it used to be…we saw gifts..” I believe we kind of ” stifle or strangle” gifts within people with this pulpit systematic preaching(my views..not Biblical though..) Reply February 24, 2019 Isara Mo Link Hudson You will be compromising …? Reply February 24, 2019 Larry Dale Steele A voice crying out in the wilderness… Reply February 24, 2019 Varnel Watson yes indeed Reply February 24, 2019 Joe Absher I have said to friends of mine everything you say is good and right and true but you’re not broken. Further I would say You may preach alright but you don’t weep pray over the souls of men. Their hurt and loss is foriegn to you. This might be the case of the hireling. They receive their wages in the praise of men and not the honour that comes from God Reply February 25, 2019 Isara Mo Joe Absher Blessed are you Joe because you give the uppercut as a sucker punch.. :” This might be the case of the hireling(professional boxer) who receive their wages in the praise of men and not the honour that comes from God…) Reply February 25, 2019 Joe Absher Sometimes they come around Reply February 25, 2019 Varnel Watson Michael Ellis Carter Jr. in my own words (iMOW) we should define it very very carefully – to fully answer the question Reply February 25, 2019 Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Troy Day yeah I tried to throw out something forward thinking, academic, yet not something that would incite a riot lol. I will say it is interesting how every other group or denomination has different views, thoughts, and definitions of the term that is drastically different than Pentecostals and charismatic groups to some degree Reply February 25, 2019 Varnel Watson iMOW vs youMOW Reply February 25, 2019 Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Troy Day I agree with many different definitions and thing we need to have one that is more inclusiveness Reply February 25, 2019 Joe Absher “I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.” – Revelation 3:8 “Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, andwounded the dragon? Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that HATH MADE the DEPTHS of the SEA a WAY for the ransomed to pass over? Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall beupon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; andsorrow and mourning shall flee away.” Isaiah 51:9-11 Revelation 1:18 KJV — I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the KEYS of HELL and of DEATH. Mark 10:27 KJV — And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for WITH GOD ALL THINGS are POSSIBLE. Jesus is a WAYMAKER!!! Faithful and True!!! A very present help in a time of trouble!!! Reply February 25, 2019 Jim Price There are two kinds of Prophetic preaching. One is forth telling and the other is fore telling. Reply February 25, 2019 Varnel Watson you may need to explain the difference to us Reply February 26, 2019 Isara Mo Jim Price Forth telling(Rhema?) and fore telling (prophecy?) Reply February 25, 2019 Terry Wiles Spirit inspired anointed proclamation of the word of God. Different from an interpretation of tongues. Reply February 25, 2019 Varnel Watson both equal to prophecy ? Reply February 25, 2019 Terry Wiles Troy Day no. Corinthians says tongues are men speaking to God. The interpretation should reflect the content of what is being said. Prophecy is God speaking to man through man. Reply February 25, 2019 Varnel Watson dont Corinthians say tongues + interpretation equals prophecy ? Reply February 25, 2019 Terry Wiles Not in my bible Reply February 25, 2019 Varnel Watson Compare this to 1 Corinthians 14:3: “But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification and exhortation and comfort” (emphasis added). In the same chapter, verse 5 says that the utterance of unknown tongues brings edification to the church when it is interpreted Reply February 25, 2019 Joe Absher https://youtu.be/tFEnxao3vvo Reply February 25, 2019 Terry Wiles And several times it says when you speak in tongues you are speaking to God and the the interpretation is necessary in the church so they will be able to say amen at the giving of thanks. Read it verse by verse. Reply February 26, 2019 Daniel J Hesse I prefer apathetic preaching. Reply February 26, 2019 Isara Mo A man either speaks as a spirit being or a carnal being: his utterance is either God moved(inspired) or own mind activated. When the utterance is spirit activated it is ” prophetic”( sounds big but is a small word) When Peter preached and 3000 got saved was it prophetic or apostolic since he,Peter was an apostle not a prophet. His utterance was spirit fired and the Bible said people were ” pierced ” to the heart.. Isaiah ” prophesied”….uttering things not yet in…(foretelling the future) and we call his utterance ” prophecies”…. John in the book of Revelation saw a vision and penned it…past, present and future…and the words are called ” words of this prophesy”…… A preacher (not necessarily a prophet or apostle) would be preaching and in the midst of his preaching or teaching will pause and say ” I can see someone being healed of cancer..eg or God shows me or tells me this and that (you know all the stuff)…etc .This is also called prophecy…(Word of knowledge and Word of Wisdom?) I personally don’t see a precise definition of the so called ” prophetic preaching” When someone proclaims scriptures in whatever situation in the spirit wouldn’t they be ” prophesying”? We coin things to suit our styles…or to fit our tux… Call it ” prophetic preaching ” or whatever catchy phrase you give it, if preaching is mind propelled not spirit propelled it is utter empty utterance..sweet to the speaker…only. It might even sound like “SOUND DOCTRINE” where human logic and reason.and intelligence is used……sometimes ” prophetically” Reply February 26, 2019 Daniel J Hesse African prophetic ecstatic speech. Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Leave a Reply to Isara Mo Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.