What is the MOST prominent topic in Systematic Theology for YOU?

What is the MOST prominent topic in Systematic Theology for YOU?
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  • Troy Day
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    Entire sanctification as done by the Holy Ghost in the Bible
    Baptism with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues
    No question about it Melvin Harter

  • Michael Todd Combs
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Michael Todd Combs

    What’s systematic theology?

  • Troy Day
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Troy Day

    Most Pentecostals wouldnt even know right?

    • T.K. Paris
      Reply September 21, 2018

      T.K. Paris

      You assert that “most Pentecostals” would not even know what Systematic Theology is. This is a false assertion, instead of making claims you can’t back up, you might be better off with asking questions. Remember that a closed mouth gathers no foot.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      I wouldnt call it a false assertion at all
      Would you tell us how one would KNOW systematic theology
      without ever studying systematic theology under
      systematic theology teachers and leaders?

  • Melvin Harter
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Melvin Harter

    Entire Sanctification, also known as Substantiation Sanctification or Instantaneous Sanctification, is the lost Doctrine of the Church. Early Modern Pentecostalism came from the Holiness Movement. However, in today’s society, it has been neglected and failed to be taught in our bible colleges until we have come to the point of absolutely no understanding of it whatsoever. Nevertheless, the
    Doctrine of Entire Sanctification is still emphasized in the word of God as a second, definite experience for the believer. We are warned in Hebrews 12:14 should we fail to obtain such experience. In conclusion, I must state that HOLINESS IS THE RESULT OF A SANCTIFIED LIFE.

    • Bruce Weeks
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Bruce Weeks

      That is exactly why we do not see the blind eyes open and the lame walk in the church today! The spirit behind the world is too attractive to the church.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      Amen Bro Bruce We have Divine Propitiation that has found no human Substantiation in the church and therefore the signs, miracles, healing and deliverance provided by Christ in the Atonement of the Cross have seen no true realization among the People of God. But in the last days REVIVAL cometh and no devil, demon or evil spirit can stop it Joe Absher Brody Pope

    • Bruce Weeks
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Bruce Weeks

      When we were children we were very close to eternity. The world had not corrupted our thoughts and influenced our actions to much degree, even though we were born sinners. Christ said as they brought him a child “such is the kingdom of God”. It is that pure child like faith that brings forth the kingdom. That’s why prayer and fasting is the keys to faith that moves mountains, cast out demons and heals the sick!

    • Melvin Harter
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Melvin Harter

      Bruce Weeks

    • Joe Absher
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Joe Absher

      “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
      Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
      For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
      – Colossians 3:1-3

  • Guy Caley
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Guy Caley

    Without question it is the issue of Scriptural inspiration and authority. It is prior to everything else as the earlier answers here inadvertently demonstrate.

  • T.K. Paris
    Reply September 20, 2018

    T.K. Paris

    Christology

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      what does Christology mean?

    • T.K. Paris
      Reply September 20, 2018

      T.K. Paris

      Troy Day Christology, as defined in the setting of Bible Schools and Seminaries is: The study or systematic thinking about Christ (Jesus) as opposed to the more general study or reasoning about God.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      So study or systematic thinking?
      Why do you need all that?
      Cant Christ himself reveal to you all there is there to know about Christology through His Spirit? Why trust teachers?

    • T.K. Paris
      Reply September 20, 2018

      T.K. Paris

      Troy Day That’s actually a good question and I think it would be good to explain it from the Spiritual and the Carnal positions. The Scriptures speak of there being a way which seems right to men, but the ends thereof are the ways of death. That is the result of Carnal thinking. Carnal comes from the root word Carne (meaning meat) thus to be carnally minded is to be a Meat head (sorry Archie but the term predates your show). When we rely on human reasoning we are on shakey ground. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
      Jesus told the Disciples to baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. However not once in the Book of Acts does it state that they baptized anyone using those words. They Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the reason for that is made clear when you read Acts 4:10-12 and Colossians 3:17, And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. One does not need to attend Seminary to deduce that the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ (at least in the English language). I spoke before of Cowboy Charlie and his walk with the Lord, he never attended Seminary but on his best day W.A. Chriswell could not have come close to expounding on the Word of God with the eloquence that that simple man had, his secret? He never went to Seminary to learn what men thought about Jesus…he went to his friend Jesus! He spent hours a day in prayer and studying the Word of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Seminarians spend a few hours a day in class and after class pouring over books about the Bible and ologies galore (Christology, Eschatology, Theology, etc.) so that they can be impressive among men. Charlie was a man who did not seek position among men but rather to increase in favor with God. I felt a leading to the Seminarians route, and Charlie encouraged me in that. But he also warned me not to let what men think sway me from what the Word of God says. I have studied many topics under many teachers, and have achieved Academic standings because of that, but those degrees and a dollar will get you a bottle of Pepsi, at the nearby Dollar General. Oh and don’t worry if you don’t have a degree the dollar will get the Pepsi anyway. You posed the question why trust teachers, the Holy Spirit is the teacher all we are is merely students, some of us are passing others are failing. Unlike you I have learned to study for myself and not to take the word of a man just because he has a large following, remember that Jesus never started a Church or a Seminary…He instead chose 12 men and taught them through relationship training not academic dogma.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      I still dont understand how you can study Christology without actually studying it
      It makes no theological sense

  • Jon Ruthven
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Jon Ruthven

    The purpose for Jesus’ coming: His mission and message.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      The purpose for Jesus’ second coming for a pre-Trib rapture

  • Philip Lazar
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Philip Lazar

    soteriology, pneumatology and eschatology.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply September 20, 2018

    Louise Cummings

    I think the Jesus and the Ross is most important. Because without the Shedding Of Blood. There is no remission of sin. But now it can’t be just any blood. It has to be Spotless Blood Of Jesus Christ. I love studying all parts of the Bible. I guess it Pentecost, Healing ,The Church And Prophecy. I could name all through it’s great. I love the begat , running the line to see what person came from who. And how some got in the line Of Jesus.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Troy Day

      who is the Ross?

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply September 20, 2018

      Louise Cummings

      Troy Day I didn’t mean to hit an R. I meant to hit a Cross. If it were not for the Cross. Jesus shedding His Blood for our sin And the Resurrection. There would be no forgiveness of sin. Sorry , for all the wrong letters I hit. I’ll try to watch closer.

  • Troy Day
    Reply September 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    I would still lean toward Spirit Baptism

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Louise Cummings

      I thought I mention Pentecost in with about at least three topics I mention. Seems like I mentioned healing , or Miracles. I was things I like to study. But the Cross and Pentecost, is the most important. I was thinking there couldn’t have been a Holy Ghost Outpouring , without first having the death on the Cross of Jesus. Because went away to send Him as a Comforter. And guide us into truth’s.

  • Troy Day
    Reply September 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    what do you find prominent in Pentecostalism today ?
    Ricky Grimsley
    Andrew Gabriel
    Jordan Evans
    RichardAnna Boyce
    Terry Wiles

    • Jordan Evans
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Jordan Evans

      Eschatology and Soteriology have been my major focuses over the last two years of study and teaching.

      I hold to primarily a Baptist soteriology, and a Pentecostal Pneumatology. So most of my teaching ministry is devoted to teaching grace, justification by faith, answering questions about eternal security, etc.

      I’m also a Partial-Preterist and Amil in my eschatology, so a large portion of my ministry is dismantling dispensational views and responding to people like David Jeremiah, Perry Stone, John Haggee, etc.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      now thats one BROAD bapticostal focus 🙂

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Heresy

    • Jordan Evans
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Jordan Evans

      Ricky Grimsley which part?

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Prominence

    • Jordan Evans
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Jordan Evans

      Ricky Grimsley oh that’s your focus 😂🤘🏻 I thought you were calling me a heretic

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      No sorry

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      I don’t agree with the eschatology of any of the people you mention but preterism is crazy to me. So what is partial preterism as opposed to preterism

    • Jordan Evans
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Jordan Evans

      Ricky Grimsley partial-preterism (also called Orthodox Preterism) is the believe that part of the eschaton has already been fulfilled, in the sense that the Olivet Discourse was largely about the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD at the hands of the Romans.

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      So tell me this? Do you think that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 and Mark 13 are the same?

    • Jordan Evans
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Jordan Evans

      Ricky Grimsley absolutely – they’re called synoptics for a reason. They may have some differences, but so do most of the miraculous accounts throughout the Gospels.

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Troy Day

      An a-mil and pre-wrath walked into a bar…
      I will let this one sink in for a while 🙂

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply September 21, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Jordan Evans so even though Mark and Luke are in different places with different people and one records things before “nations shall rise against nation” and the other after “nation….”, you think they are the same?

  • Troy Day
    Reply September 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Andrew Gabriel you paper gave ONLY 2 historic examples from a single mission in Toronto and called them abundance of evidence. Then about p19 it confirmed my initial statement with this straight forward

    Such views likely would have been acceptable in the Canadian
    context as well. The original statement of faith affirmed by PAOC
    clergy appears to allow for diverse views regarding the relationship of
    tongues and Spirit baptism. From 1928–1979, the section in the PAOC
    Statement of Fundamental and Essential Truths concerning “the
    Baptism of the Holy Ghost” included a section titled “Our Distinctive
    Testimony,” which affirms, “the baptism of the Holy Spirit is
    regularly accompanied by the initial physical sign of speaking in other
    tongues as the Spirit of God gives the utterance.”1

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply September 21, 2018

    RichardAnna Boyce

    helping my AOG Bible students in their study of Hyper Grace, Free Grace and mixed grace; as that is what they are bombarded with on internet with the Grace Revolution.

  • Troy Day
    Reply September 21, 2018

    Troy Day

    Grace is free but hyper grace comes with a high price http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-hyper-grace-movementradical-grace/

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply September 21, 2018

    RichardAnna Boyce

    hyper grace is extreme super abundant grace Rom 5:17 For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.

    18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to [d]all men. 19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him. 20 But the Law came to increase and expand [the awareness of] the trespass [by defining and unmasking sin]. But where sin increased, [God’s remarkable, gracious gift of] grace [His unmerited favor] has surpassed it and increased all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness which brings eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Footnotes:

  • Troy Day
    Reply September 22, 2018

    Troy Day

    Well, we now all know that but it wasnt as prominent of a teaching a few years back though probably still practiced by bapticostals

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply September 22, 2018

      RichardAnna Boyce

      2000 years

    • Troy Day
      Reply September 22, 2018

      Troy Day

      naaah – Jesus was no hyper nothing
      BTW does water swirl the opposite way down yonder?

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply September 22, 2018

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Troy Day Jesus love for me when He died for me was as extreme, abundant, hype than anything imaginable. And if i hyper sin, His grace is hyper hyper to cover it brother.

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply September 22, 2018

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Troy Day we are up the right way, except i live in phils which is just north of the equator

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