theology September 20, 2018 What is the MOST prominent topic in Systematic Theology for YOU? Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post Previous articleEarly Church of God of Prophecy Next articleDoes your church still have an altar and when do you use it? 83 Comments Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day Entire sanctification as done by the Holy Ghost in the Bible Baptism with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues No question about it Melvin Harter Reply September 20, 2018 Michael Todd Combs What’s systematic theology? Reply September 20, 2018 Guy Caley Not sure if serious. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day Most Pentecostals wouldnt even know right? Reply September 21, 2018 T.K. Paris You assert that “most Pentecostals” would not even know what Systematic Theology is. This is a false assertion, instead of making claims you can’t back up, you might be better off with asking questions. Remember that a closed mouth gathers no foot. Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day I wouldnt call it a false assertion at all Would you tell us how one would KNOW systematic theology without ever studying systematic theology under systematic theology teachers and leaders? Reply September 20, 2018 Melvin Harter Entire Sanctification, also known as Substantiation Sanctification or Instantaneous Sanctification, is the lost Doctrine of the Church. Early Modern Pentecostalism came from the Holiness Movement. However, in today’s society, it has been neglected and failed to be taught in our bible colleges until we have come to the point of absolutely no understanding of it whatsoever. Nevertheless, the Doctrine of Entire Sanctification is still emphasized in the word of God as a second, definite experience for the believer. We are warned in Hebrews 12:14 should we fail to obtain such experience. In conclusion, I must state that HOLINESS IS THE RESULT OF A SANCTIFIED LIFE. Reply September 20, 2018 Bruce Weeks That is exactly why we do not see the blind eyes open and the lame walk in the church today! The spirit behind the world is too attractive to the church. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day Amen Bro Bruce We have Divine Propitiation that has found no human Substantiation in the church and therefore the signs, miracles, healing and deliverance provided by Christ in the Atonement of the Cross have seen no true realization among the People of God. But in the last days REVIVAL cometh and no devil, demon or evil spirit can stop it Joe Absher Brody Pope Reply September 20, 2018 Bruce Weeks When we were children we were very close to eternity. The world had not corrupted our thoughts and influenced our actions to much degree, even though we were born sinners. Christ said as they brought him a child “such is the kingdom of God”. It is that pure child like faith that brings forth the kingdom. That’s why prayer and fasting is the keys to faith that moves mountains, cast out demons and heals the sick! Reply September 20, 2018 Melvin Harter Bruce Weeks Reply September 20, 2018 Joe Absher “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.” – Colossians 3:1-3 Reply September 20, 2018 Guy Caley Without question it is the issue of Scriptural inspiration and authority. It is prior to everything else as the earlier answers here inadvertently demonstrate. Reply September 20, 2018 T.K. Paris Christology Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day what does Christology mean? Reply September 20, 2018 T.K. Paris Troy Day Christology, as defined in the setting of Bible Schools and Seminaries is: The study or systematic thinking about Christ (Jesus) as opposed to the more general study or reasoning about God. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day So study or systematic thinking? Why do you need all that? Cant Christ himself reveal to you all there is there to know about Christology through His Spirit? Why trust teachers? Reply September 20, 2018 T.K. Paris Troy Day That’s actually a good question and I think it would be good to explain it from the Spiritual and the Carnal positions. The Scriptures speak of there being a way which seems right to men, but the ends thereof are the ways of death. That is the result of Carnal thinking. Carnal comes from the root word Carne (meaning meat) thus to be carnally minded is to be a Meat head (sorry Archie but the term predates your show). When we rely on human reasoning we are on shakey ground. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jesus told the Disciples to baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. However not once in the Book of Acts does it state that they baptized anyone using those words. They Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the reason for that is made clear when you read Acts 4:10-12 and Colossians 3:17, And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. One does not need to attend Seminary to deduce that the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ (at least in the English language). I spoke before of Cowboy Charlie and his walk with the Lord, he never attended Seminary but on his best day W.A. Chriswell could not have come close to expounding on the Word of God with the eloquence that that simple man had, his secret? He never went to Seminary to learn what men thought about Jesus…he went to his friend Jesus! He spent hours a day in prayer and studying the Word of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Seminarians spend a few hours a day in class and after class pouring over books about the Bible and ologies galore (Christology, Eschatology, Theology, etc.) so that they can be impressive among men. Charlie was a man who did not seek position among men but rather to increase in favor with God. I felt a leading to the Seminarians route, and Charlie encouraged me in that. But he also warned me not to let what men think sway me from what the Word of God says. I have studied many topics under many teachers, and have achieved Academic standings because of that, but those degrees and a dollar will get you a bottle of Pepsi, at the nearby Dollar General. Oh and don’t worry if you don’t have a degree the dollar will get the Pepsi anyway. You posed the question why trust teachers, the Holy Spirit is the teacher all we are is merely students, some of us are passing others are failing. Unlike you I have learned to study for myself and not to take the word of a man just because he has a large following, remember that Jesus never started a Church or a Seminary…He instead chose 12 men and taught them through relationship training not academic dogma. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day I still dont understand how you can study Christology without actually studying it It makes no theological sense Reply September 20, 2018 Jon Ruthven The purpose for Jesus’ coming: His mission and message. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day The purpose for Jesus’ second coming for a pre-Trib rapture Reply September 20, 2018 Philip Lazar soteriology, pneumatology and eschatology. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day thats a broad spectrum Reply September 20, 2018 Louise Cummings I think the Jesus and the Ross is most important. Because without the Shedding Of Blood. There is no remission of sin. But now it can’t be just any blood. It has to be Spotless Blood Of Jesus Christ. I love studying all parts of the Bible. I guess it Pentecost, Healing ,The Church And Prophecy. I could name all through it’s great. I love the begat , running the line to see what person came from who. And how some got in the line Of Jesus. Reply September 20, 2018 Troy Day who is the Ross? Reply September 20, 2018 Louise Cummings Troy Day I didn’t mean to hit an R. I meant to hit a Cross. If it were not for the Cross. Jesus shedding His Blood for our sin And the Resurrection. There would be no forgiveness of sin. Sorry , for all the wrong letters I hit. I’ll try to watch closer. Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day I would still lean toward Spirit Baptism Reply September 21, 2018 Louise Cummings I thought I mention Pentecost in with about at least three topics I mention. Seems like I mentioned healing , or Miracles. I was things I like to study. But the Cross and Pentecost, is the most important. I was thinking there couldn’t have been a Holy Ghost Outpouring , without first having the death on the Cross of Jesus. Because went away to send Him as a Comforter. And guide us into truth’s. Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day what do you find prominent in Pentecostalism today ? Ricky Grimsley Andrew Gabriel Jordan Evans RichardAnna Boyce Terry Wiles Reply September 21, 2018 Jordan Evans Eschatology and Soteriology have been my major focuses over the last two years of study and teaching. I hold to primarily a Baptist soteriology, and a Pentecostal Pneumatology. So most of my teaching ministry is devoted to teaching grace, justification by faith, answering questions about eternal security, etc. I’m also a Partial-Preterist and Amil in my eschatology, so a large portion of my ministry is dismantling dispensational views and responding to people like David Jeremiah, Perry Stone, John Haggee, etc. Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day now thats one BROAD bapticostal focus 🙂 Reply September 21, 2018 Ricky Grimsley Heresy Reply September 21, 2018 Jordan Evans Ricky Grimsley which part? Reply September 21, 2018 Ricky Grimsley Prominence Reply September 21, 2018 Jordan Evans Ricky Grimsley oh that’s your focus 😂🤘🏻 I thought you were calling me a heretic Reply September 21, 2018 Ricky Grimsley No sorry Reply September 21, 2018 Ricky Grimsley I don’t agree with the eschatology of any of the people you mention but preterism is crazy to me. So what is partial preterism as opposed to preterism Reply September 21, 2018 Jordan Evans Ricky Grimsley partial-preterism (also called Orthodox Preterism) is the believe that part of the eschaton has already been fulfilled, in the sense that the Olivet Discourse was largely about the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD at the hands of the Romans. Reply September 21, 2018 Ricky Grimsley So tell me this? Do you think that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 and Mark 13 are the same? Reply September 21, 2018 Jordan Evans Ricky Grimsley absolutely – they’re called synoptics for a reason. They may have some differences, but so do most of the miraculous accounts throughout the Gospels. Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day An a-mil and pre-wrath walked into a bar… I will let this one sink in for a while 🙂 Reply September 21, 2018 Ricky Grimsley Jordan Evans so even though Mark and Luke are in different places with different people and one records things before “nations shall rise against nation” and the other after “nation….”, you think they are the same? Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day Andrew Gabriel you paper gave ONLY 2 historic examples from a single mission in Toronto and called them abundance of evidence. Then about p19 it confirmed my initial statement with this straight forward Such views likely would have been acceptable in the Canadian context as well. The original statement of faith affirmed by PAOC clergy appears to allow for diverse views regarding the relationship of tongues and Spirit baptism. From 1928–1979, the section in the PAOC Statement of Fundamental and Essential Truths concerning “the Baptism of the Holy Ghost” included a section titled “Our Distinctive Testimony,” which affirms, “the baptism of the Holy Spirit is regularly accompanied by the initial physical sign of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit of God gives the utterance.”1 Reply September 21, 2018 RichardAnna Boyce helping my AOG Bible students in their study of Hyper Grace, Free Grace and mixed grace; as that is what they are bombarded with on internet with the Grace Revolution. Reply September 21, 2018 Troy Day Grace is free but hyper grace comes with a high price http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-hyper-grace-movementradical-grace/ Reply September 21, 2018 RichardAnna Boyce hyper grace is extreme super abundant grace Rom 5:17 For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to [d]all men. 19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him. 20 But the Law came to increase and expand [the awareness of] the trespass [by defining and unmasking sin]. But where sin increased, [God’s remarkable, gracious gift of] grace [His unmerited favor] has surpassed it and increased all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness which brings eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Footnotes: Reply September 22, 2018 Troy Day Well, we now all know that but it wasnt as prominent of a teaching a few years back though probably still practiced by bapticostals Reply September 22, 2018 RichardAnna Boyce 2000 years Reply September 22, 2018 Troy Day naaah – Jesus was no hyper nothing BTW does water swirl the opposite way down yonder? Reply September 22, 2018 RichardAnna Boyce Troy Day Jesus love for me when He died for me was as extreme, abundant, hype than anything imaginable. And if i hyper sin, His grace is hyper hyper to cover it brother. Reply September 22, 2018 RichardAnna Boyce Troy Day we are up the right way, except i live in phils which is just north of the equator Reply April 2, 2019 Troy Day Holy Ghost baptism with speaking in other tongues ! Reply April 2, 2019 George Hartwell The lost art of sanctification. Reply April 2, 2019 Troy Day entire or progressive ? Reply April 2, 2019 George Hartwell More progressive. Understanding the Wesleyan experience would help us but I believe that has been lost. Reply April 2, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce Free Grace answer to rightly dividing JUSTIFICATION, SANCTIFICATION and GLORIFICATION; as it touches on OSAS and Lordship Salvation issues as well. Reply April 2, 2019 Jon Ruthven The original mission and message of Jesus, that is, what he taught his disciples. See the forthcoming, Authentic Christianity. Reply April 2, 2019 Eddie Burdick I have preached for missions in many churches and no presence of HolySpirit?why? Reply April 2, 2019 Louise Cummings I think the Rapture for me. I know there’s many. But I think you can see even pointing to, even from the Old Testament. Reply April 3, 2019 Troy Day I still think HS baptism after sanctification Reply November 19, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce JESUS is GRACE and TRUTH. Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day will there be grace when you are left behind Reply November 19, 2019 Mike Partyka Entire Sanctification seems to be the prominent discussion as of late. Biblically, BB Wakefield, Wesley have made this my recent study topic. Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/back-to-the-basics-of-the-role-of-the-holy-spirit-in-entire-sanctification-in-the-writings-of-john-wesley/ Reply November 19, 2019 Mike Partyka Troy Day using Calvin’s definitions of regeneration and sanctification for this discussion. The issues that have come up the most and discussion are as follows. Thoughts do not mean sin. Without temptation there would only be sin. To the choose the path of the spirit and not the flesh at all times is possible…or is it? As we grow in sanctification (which I must say with all confidence is a process) we only become more clear of how far we fall short. The irony of “Perfectionism” is this though it seeks to distance itself from antinomianism, it inevitably comes full circle to it. Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day do NOT use Calvin – makes no sense Reply November 19, 2019 Neil Steven Lawrence Christology Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day your christology with matter little when left behind Reply November 19, 2019 Steve Phifer Worship in Spirit and Truth Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day cant worship jack after being left behind Reply November 19, 2019 Steve Phifer True, but we will spend eternity worshiping in Spirit and in Truth! Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day pre-trib church rapture – nothing else matters Reply November 19, 2019 Andrew Drew Hiatt Study of the Holy Trinity Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day some will be left behind to see the unholy trinity Reply November 19, 2019 William DeArteaga I am like Paul, the immediate problems of the Church draw my attention Reply November 19, 2019 Joe Absher Soteriology . maybe when youre done with the latest hype or scandal . just saying Reply November 19, 2019 Troy Day Joe Absher soteriology matters little if left behind Lots of left behinds will discuss soteriology for 7 more years then Reply November 19, 2019 Joe Absher Well I think maybe you showed your hand a little early on this one Reply November 20, 2019 Troy Day those who wait to get sanctified till after the rapture will have NO hand to show for #JustSayin Reply November 20, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce we are totally sanctified in the spirit when born again; being sanctified in soul as a believer; and will have a sanctified body in glory. Reply November 21, 2019 Troy Day RichardAnna Boyce you know this is gnostic right? Reply November 21, 2019 Joe Absher Well I thank you for asking . I was praying with men to come to Christ years before I heard of soteriology . for me it is the most prominent . Reply November 21, 2019 Rod White Sr. Theology proper Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.