Tongues: A Modern Day Miracle

Posted by Brody Pope in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

This brother is a friend of mine. While I disagree with him I still regard him as being a brother in Christ. But I want to start a discussion on what this brother spoke about. Please watch the video fully (it’s only around 6 minutes long). And then reply with your opinion. Please answer each of his points.

39 Comments

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Troy Day

    Brody Pope Good remarks What do yo disagree with in the video? And more importantly, what is your God honest response to it?

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    Let two or three by speak by course.
    One message one Interpreter is the course
    I also believe that if they are two or three message the same person should interpret all messages
    I have prayed in the Spirit for a person, but I speak in a much lower volume, so that it be not for the whole assembly. That is praying in the Spirit
    The tongues also was not just a sign for the Jews, Peter talks about that in his dealings with Cornelius
    Now I don’t believe a person can choose to speak in the Spiritual anytime they choose.
    I do not believe in instructing an Assembly of people to pray in the Holy Spirit
    I don’t believe a person will speak in an unknown tongue everytime they pray.

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    I agree with Brody Pope that he is just the common unbeliever in tongues.
    I believe he is mistaken for sure in saying that the word of God is perfect in it state in the Bible.
    As much as I would like to believe that the Bible was completely perfect as god is perfect it isn’t
    I am not a theologian as some of you are but you can attest to that fact yourself I do believe for the most part it is the INERRANT Word of God
    Case in point if we believe the Bible is perfect then we will let the women keep silent in the church
    Women keeping silent in the church wasn’t just speaking in tongues as that gentleman alluded to

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Brody Pope

    I believe the Bible is both innerant and infallible. I believe that the Bible is the perfect word of God. However it is important to understand the context of which each book in the Bible was written. In the case of 1 Corinthians, that church was kinda crazy as far spiritual gifts are concerned. And we’ve got to understand why Paul said what he did as far as tongues, and women speaking in church. That church had members competing with one another on who was more spiritual. And leading that crowd of super spiritual folk was a woman or a small group of women. Paul made it clear about how tongues are suppose to operate and then handled the part about those women who were leading the church into a state of confusion.

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Dan Irving

    I think his real point is to delegetimize tongues based upon Pentecostal non-conformity God’s word concerning their corporate use. Aside from cessationism, his mistake is in failure to distinguish between an ecstatic PROCLAMATION, and mere ecstatic vocalization (ie. in which there is no particular intent to communicate publicly.). Paul is addressing the former. As to his 4th point, the Bible does not forbid women from speaking in tongues, but that they cover themselves when they speak by the Spirit.

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Troy Day

    Brody Pope Do you make a difference between initial evidence, gift of tongues, prayer language and if so what is it?

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Brody Pope

    Yes I believe there is a difference between tongues spoken as evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost, the gift of tongues which is used with an interpretation, and prayer language which is used for personal edification.

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Troy Day

    What would you say that difference is and how can we recognize each of them?

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Brody Pope

    The difference is in the use. Tongues used as the initial evidence of baptism of the Holy Ghost is just that, tongues used as initial evidence. Tongues used in a message for the edification of the Church need an interpretation, unlike the tongues used as initial evidence and tongues used as a prayer language which is for personal edification.

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Troy Day

    How does one recognize them when used?

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Brody Pope

    Why are you asking me these questions? Shouldn’t this be basic to the Pentecostal understanding of scripture?

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Ira Huth

    Brother Brody Pope after reading your thread. The first thing that came to my mind is how awesome of a statement you made about your friend. When you said “while you I disagree with him he is a Brother in Christ”. I just want to thank you for that awesome statement. That really touched my heart and is very heart felt and truthful.
    I don’t know if you seen the message that Pastor Jentezen Franklin preached at the Agree 18 Conference, but he stated “we can always chew the fish and spit out the bones”. God looks at a man’s heart and motives and we should also learning the truth from each other. I really felt lead to thank you and give you credit where credit is due.
    When I get a chance I will watch the video and if feel the leading to comment and or ask a questions I will.
    God Bless!!!

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Joseph D. Absher

    It’s posted on you tube under the category of entertainment. But it’s not funny. More like tragedy.
    To bad too because generally they have a good reputation for scriptural integrity.
    I personally wouldn’t leave 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 go unchallenged as this so clearly meaning the return of our Lord. Not the canonisation of the holy Bible.

  • Reply January 16, 2018

    Troy Day

    What else would it be posted under? Does YouTube gave separate category for religious teachings? BTW Dan Irving if they really want to cover the 7 mountains they should start with the internet. Come to think about it I knew an organization that wrote a Christian only search engine for the internet that returned only results that Christians would wanna hear for the lack of better judgment. It never really took off just like the facebook for Christians but it was a realistic kingdom-now attempt after all. Of course Christians nowadays are so blinded by politics that they hardly ever hear what the Spirit says to the churches

  • Reply January 17, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    I have a elderly (70+) Baptist Minister and we talk and he still pastors a church.
    He fills about tongues like the gentleman in the video. Now I visit his church quite often and they let me sing, not preach but he has said many times for me to share what was on my heart at church if I had something.
    Now I know the church doesn’t believe the way I do. I do obey the Holy Spirit in that church.
    It is a small country church, But many members of that church have said it was like a breath of fresh air when I minister to them in word and song.
    They know me in town and that is better than I can say for some of the Pentecostal member that I know that sometimes its almost like trying to avoid the plague when they see me.
    I’ve never felt the urge to have a ecstatic proclamation at a a Baptist church. But I did see one group that sang at that church that began to speak in tongues and give out an interpretation. But I felt cold chills instead of being refreshed.
    One Thing this minister he hangs on to I Cor. 13. but he admits I have him stumped and I would say to the individual on the video. If the Bible is the perfect that is coming, and tongues and prophecy have ceased, why hasn’t knowledge ceased? Why continue to take course to increase your learning on the Bible. They are stumped there.

  • Reply January 17, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    One other thing. I have been in church services where there have been more 3 messages and tongues.
    I was in one service where there was 18 messages in tongues with interpretations.

  • Reply January 17, 2018

    Troy Day

    To me the video is just funny and too late to tell me

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 18, 2018

    Troy Day

    ol boy aint got a clue what he’s talking about

  • Bill Terrell
    Reply March 19, 2018

    Bill Terrell

    God bless this gentleman and brother in Christ but he’s teaching as a novice one of skepticism and unbelief who simply doesn’t know,but deep inside he wants to experience the gifts of the spirit,so Lord im praying you fill him and baptize him in your Holy Spirit with the evidence of prophecy and speaking in tongues.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 19, 2018

    Troy Day

    Reminds of Randal teaching on the gifts 🙂

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      You don’t know my teachings… Haha..SMH

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      you aint got none 🙂

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day Cavalier Dismissal… Another logical fallacy ; )

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      Randal = all talk – no theology

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day All puff and no stuff

      Always attempting to get others to do your work

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      You make a claim – you back it up or you are all talk.

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day You change arguments and think you are stating facts…

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      the automation of chrismation assembly line 🙂

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day When people are Chrismated, they speak in tongues

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      even infant? sure Major flaw in theology just found

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day With infants, Orthodox-Pentecostalism practices John 20:22

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      yes you can keep on repeating that but it still does not give proper hermeneutics of jn 20

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day

      It is better hermeneutics than infant dedication – nowhere found in NT

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Troy Day

      Do you blow on them? Does this make you Benny Hinn of Orthodoxy 🙂

    • Randal W Deese
      Reply March 19, 2018

      Randal W Deese

      Troy Day

      Do you have a man made tradition of dedication of infants because you don’t know what to do with them?

  • Bill Terrell
    Reply March 19, 2018

    Bill Terrell

    My father in law always thought tongues were fake,he began to have some serious health problems a few months before he passed he called all the kids together he told us he was in his room praying then all of a sudden he began to lift His hands and praise God Then he said his language changed to another dialect as he praised God then he look at us with a urgency and said,it’s real children it’s real!!!which we already knew!😊

  • Bill Terrell
    Reply March 19, 2018

    Bill Terrell

    I didn’t here him read this scripture,1cor 14:39 esv-
    So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 19, 2018

    Troy Day

    What a great great testimony bro Bill Terrell Biggest problem we have in the church today is that men who never experienced a real Holy Ghost baptism are teaching on the Holy Ghost baptism That’s the problem we must deal with Aint that the truth Brody Pope Bill Coble

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