theology March 22, 2017 YES, Jesus was the eternal SON of the FATHER Posted by Ricky Grimsley in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post If Jesus was the eternal son in the past, why didnt Satan recognize him. Why did he ask “if you are the son of god”? eternalfatherjesusson PentecostalTheology .com Previous articleWhy would any minister, teacher, deacon NOT want to be licensed? Next articleThe future of Pentecostal research 32 Comments Reply February 18, 2017 Brody Pope Jesus wasn’t the Son until he was begotten. Prior to the incarnation, he was the Word. Reply February 18, 2017 Varnel Watson Same ol from ol Ricky Grimsley The same discussion as it happened before http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/jehovahs-witnesses-hold-adoptionism/ Reply February 18, 2017 Brody Pope So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 5:5 KJV Reply February 18, 2017 Ricky Grimsley Lol just answer the question and stop avoiding with mindless jehovah witness references. Has anyone ever posed this question to you troy? Reply February 18, 2017 Varnel Watson Brody Pope You may be not getting it. Not sure what your conference believes but pls consult with my old friend David Lewayne Porter on that He is a seasoned pastor with experience in doctrine and knows cog beliefs Reply February 18, 2017 Roc Davis I think it was a simple, sarcastic remark, trying to make Jesus “prove” himself. If you can do these things, if you really are…prove it. Was essentially the context. Reply February 18, 2017 Varnel Watson Roc Davis on the money Ricky Grimsley is falling into the infamous VICTORIA OSTEEN #CHRISTOLOGYFAIL http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/victoria-osteen-christologyfail/ Reply March 20, 2017 Varnel Watson I believe that Ricky Grimsley No way around it Reply March 20, 2017 Ricky Grimsley Still waiting to hear someone explain what son means then. Someone explain how to eternal persons that are the same being can be father and son when neither have a beginning? Reply March 20, 2017 Varnel Watson Not just son but Son of God. Somewhat entirely different, eh? Reply March 20, 2017 Ricky Grimsley Nope. Still avoiding. Reply March 20, 2017 Varnel Watson Not avoiding – just not including Catholic Mary worshiping as a necessary requirement for the Son of God to be the Son of God. Actually, even Mary worshiping Catholics believe in the Eternal Sonship of Christ Reply March 20, 2017 Ricky Grimsley The Catholics view of christ and mary was based on paganism. I would hardly look to them for guidance. Reply March 20, 2017 Tony Conger This day have I begotten you???? Reply March 20, 2017 Ricky Grimsley This day……in eternity past? Nah. Reply March 21, 2017 Varnel Watson Did the Son of God really need 9 months to be begotten? And which day was that exactly? 9 months prior? One day is like 1000 yrs for the Lord? Guys, your hereticatology is so easy to easily disrupted that is almost not worth the time pursuing… But here is the MAIN question: Are you two saying that the Son of God actually needed an earthly vessel like Mary (or anyone else) to make Him the Son of God? Are yall into #Maryworshiping? Reply March 21, 2017 Tony Conger That’s ridiculous Troy Day. Since we have gone around and around about this before without you answering the questions presented there’s no sense in continuing this. God bless Reply March 21, 2017 Varnel Watson Tony You did not answer my question yet again avoiding it. If you truly believe Jesus needed a human vessel like Mary to become the Son of God you are truly in a #Maryworshiping? Pls note that even #Maryworshiping Catholics believe Jesus is the Eternal Son of God.. Reply March 21, 2017 Tony Conger Jehovah is eternal. He was sent by the 1st possession of the godhead in ex. 3. His office as the son however has a beginning and an end. I’ve said that many times. So now you’re going to answer all the questions you avoided? Reply March 21, 2017 Varnel Watson #Maryworshiping #majorfail You are still avoiding the Mary question 🙂 Come one Ricky Grimsley take parti in this already … Reply March 21, 2017 Joseph Kidwell Tony Conger is correct. I’ve said all that I can say on this subject. on a different thread. If the comprehensive Biblical case that I presented changed no minds, I have nothing more to add. Reply March 21, 2017 Varnel Watson Joseph Can you just answer the Mary question you failed to answer last time (as well as Ricky Grimsley and Tony Conger) Do you truly believe Jesus needed a human vessel like Mary to become the Son of God? Reply March 21, 2017 Joseph Kidwell LOL!!! Troy Day, you never answered the many Scriptures that I presented. Nothing can be gained by carrying on this discussion as far as I’m concerned. Be blessed. Reply March 21, 2017 Tony Conger He took the mantle of son when he was begotten. Do you believe he was created? Have you become Jehovah’s witness? Reply March 21, 2017 Hunter McLain Jesus is God. He became incarnate but he was no less God! Reply March 21, 2017 Hunter McLain It doesn’t make sense to say He was the eternal Son when The Father and the Son are literally the same. Reply March 21, 2017 Varnel Watson Mary is not God. She was used by God but was not God! Reply March 21, 2017 Hunter McLain AMEN!! She is a woman just like all Holy Women! Reply March 21, 2017 Tony Conger Correct Reply March 21, 2017 Varnel Watson These who dont confess the eternal generation of the Son fall under the Arian heresy – as simple as that. The Nicene Creed was adopted in the face of the Arian heresy, whose leader, Arius, was a member of the clergy of Alexandria. “Arius objected to Alexander’s (the bishop of the time) apparent carelessness in blurring the distinction of nature between the Father and the Son by his emphasis on eternal generation”. Alexander rightfully accused Arius of denying the divinity of the Son and also of being too “Jewish” and “Greek” in his thought. Both Arius and Alexander rejected Gnosticism, Manichaeism and Sabellian formulae. The Nicene Creed was created as a result of the extensive adoption of the doctrine of Arius far outside Alexandria, in order to clarify the key tenets of the Christian faith. Reply March 21, 2017 Joseph Kidwell Absolutely not, Troy Day! The Doctrine of the Eternal Sonship of Christ paved the way for Arianism. If Jesus is an eternal Son (which is impossible) then He is not co-equal with the Father and is a “god) as the New World Translation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses says in Jn. 1:1. Furthermore, the Oneness who are Sabellians deny the Eternal Sonship of Christ and they are direct opposites of the JW’s. Finally and please read this very slowly so that you do not misunderstand, Jesus Christ is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father. He was NOT created but is the Creator (JN.1:2.) Reply March 22, 2017 Varnel Watson If the Son is “eternally begotten” of the Father, then how can he also be born of Mary? Full Question In the Nicene Creed the Catholic Church asserts that the Son of God is eternally begotten, but you also assert that the Son of God was born of the Virgin Mary. Can you explain how the Son can be begotten twice? The question you ask goes directly to the necessity of understanding who Jesus is. Scripture affirms that Jesus is both “the Son of Man” (Mt 12:8) and “the Son of God” (Mt 8:29). These dual events are precipitated by who Jesus is: true God and true Man. The events are of a different order. The first took place hidden in God’s own being, apart from time, eternally. It was the act of God alone. The other took place in plain view, as a sign to all of us, at a specific time and place, within God’s creation. And while it was surely the work of God, the act of giving birth to the Son was the act of a woman, a human being. So the Son is not “begotten twice.” He is begotten (“caused to be”) after the manner of his Father. And he is born, brought forth as a unique human being, after the manner of his mother. They are two different, but complimentary, acts. Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Leave a Reply to Ricky Grimsley Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.