Why did post-millennial eschatology not come to existence until early 20th century?

Why did post-millennial eschatology not come to existence until early 20th century?
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Why did postmillennial eschatology did not come to existence until early 20th century?

Why did postmillennial eschatology did not come to existence until early 20th century?

Why did post-millennial eschatology not come to existence until early 20th century?

Answer: To juxtapose the growing influence of the orthodox pre-trib Biblical teaching in the Western hemisphere as presented by most if not virtually all early Church Fathers

SOURCE: http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-ancient-church-fathers-believed-in-pre-trib-rapture/

29 Comments

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Andrew J. Panish this is a GREAT question for ALL 6-trumpers out there and NAR fanatics Calvinators claim Augustine to be post-mil but he was a-Mil Civio Dei is pretty clear about it in ALL 500+ pages even in the English translation So why such postMil heresy appears at theb start of the 20th century?

    Answer: To juxtapose the growing influence of the orthodox pre-trib Biblical teaching in the Western hemisphere as presented by most if not virtually all early Church Fathers

    SOURCE: http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-ancient-church-fathers-believed-in-pre-trib-rapture/

    • Andrew J. Panish
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Andrew J. Panish

      People twist what apostles have said. I have no interest in that. The Bible rules. The Bible is written to the regular gimoke. To people that do not have access to concordances or to ancient texts or original scripts, or to writings of ECFs….. What IS a ‘6-trumper’? And ‘NAR’ fanatic? What ‘Calvinators’ claim is of no consequence………Seems ‘post-mil heresy’ (along with no-rapture heresies) is appearing more and more as it plays to the devil’s game plan of confusion and deception. Some of it’s teachers mean well but don’t grasp the verses – clouded by some ‘influence’. Some teach the heresies deliberately and are in that occult camp.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Andrew J. Panish NOPE straight quote No twisting It says what it says – thats what they believed

    • Andrew J. Panish
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Andrew J. Panish

      Troy Day Sure- The apostles believed in a pre-Trib rapture. No contention there…..Paul addressed one of the churches that received a phony letter telling them they were left behind (yes- in the Bible). SOME Apostle writngs verify the Bible, some people find (or twist) writings from the Apostles that seem to refute the Bible. (No- I am not saying you are in this group.) The direct Word is infinitely more preferable over any writings that do not appear in the Bible.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Andrew J. Panish If you think you know better than the church fathers I certainly cannot add anything to your upbringing

    • Lawrence Apitz
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Lawrence Apitz

      I am a mid trib last trumpet rapture person

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      which one is last trump – 6th or 7th? @Andrew J. Panish

    • Wal Ters
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Wal Ters

      this article is wrong, pretribs are usually misreading stuff, especially the Bible.

  • Neil Steven Lawrence
    Reply June 26, 2020

    Neil Steven Lawrence

    Post-trib viewpoint raises its ugly head whenever mankind thinks he can solve his problems. At the turn of the century it was industrialization and modern improvements. In this post modern time we have high technology and communication.

    In reality when you compare history of ancient times modern times and now post modern times man is basically similar.

    But the answer to God’s plans is the same.

  • Perry Hess
    Reply June 26, 2020

    Perry Hess

    Wow! Talk about ignorance!!!
    The pilgrims who came to America were postmillennial.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Come again? But pls educate yourself BEFORE you comment further

      Puritan eschatology during the seventeenth century,
      and in fact well into the eighteenth century, was characteristically pre-millennial in that it envisioned the occurrence of some eschatological crisis before the advent of the millennium.

      There are dissertations out there like this one that proves that Some calvinator has mislead you grossly May I also add that I strongly doubt you know what Augustine believe on eschatology if you think he was postmil too

      Kingdom and church in New England; Puritan eschatology from John Cotton to Jonathan Edwards
      William Charles Eamon
      The University of Montana

      https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6564&context=etd

  • Alan Yusko
    Reply June 26, 2020

    Alan Yusko

    this is the end of the aga and there are many heresies out there..

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    I just wanted to make a short post about end times prophecy. Some will disagree about The Rapture of the church, when or even if it will happen, but let’s not get hung up on that event bc most all agree with the rest. You can look these scriptures up yourself, but most of what is true has multiple scripture references, so it’s hard to just teach this in a quick, short manner. If you disagree with anything here, that’s your prerogative. I’m not looking to debate anything here bc you’re not going to change my mind. I have carefully studied this subject and have an actual diploma from and accredited university on end times, so I’m pretty set. We don’t HAVE to agree on everything bc this is NOT a salvation issue….

    God’s prophetic calendar….

    1. The Rapture. This is where there is a catching up of the Saints. I believe it occurs just before the 7 yrs of the Tribulation. Some believe it happens in the middle of the Tribulation. Some believe it really doesn’t happen at all and the only time Jesus comes for us is at the Second Coming. More on that later

    2. Immediately following the rapture, the Tribulation period starts. There will be 3 1/2 years of world peace. Israel will sign a Peace Agreement with those nations that surround it. The anti christ will broker the deal. He will be revealed, but many will be deceived about who he is. He will be worshiped as a great man of peace and prosperity.

    3. The anti christ will be promoted heavily by the false prophet. Many (including me) believe the false prophet will be the pope at that time. The antichrist will perform miracles. And he will desecrate the temple in Jerusalem, which will have been rebuilt on the Temple Mount by then.

    4.After 3 1/2 years of peace, it will suddenly become very bad. The bible says it will be like a time never before and that God in His mercy will shorten those days. There will be plagues released, wars started, indescribable torture of humanity. The anti christ will issue an edict to get chipped and do away with our money. He will set up a one world government and one world currency. Many will be behead that refuse the chip. The bible calls these ppl martyrs that are given honor in heaven. Israel will be attacked, but God will supernaturally protect them.

    5. The armies of the world will amass at Armageddon. Some (including me) believe that these armies are Islamic. I also believe the anti christ to be the 12th Imam that muslims are waiting and preparing for right now.

    6. The Second Coming…..Jesus returns from heaven with a host of Saints. He calls all believers together at that time to face off against the armies of the world. The bible says He and the Saints will be riding horses, Jesus’ horse being white. As they prepare to battle, Jesus will merely speak the Word and the army of the world will be defeated. The bible says it will be so bloody that the blood will be as deep as the horse reins and that the animals and birds will pick the carcasses for moths afterwards.

    7. Sin is defeated and a New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and sits on Jerusalem. It is 1500 miles square and high. This is the city of God. Jesus will be the light there. He will be with His people. He will assign the Saints to go govern all parts of the earth. Life will continue on, with humans still having babies and worshiping God. This is known as the Millennial Reign, and there will be peace under the one world government of Jesus, who will be a benevolent dictator. Satan will be bound during this period.

    8. Near the end of the 1,000 yrs, people will begin to get rebellious again. Satan will be loosed for a season, and there will be another great war where satan and God’s enemies are defeated.

    9. This is where some of us disagree…..I believe that at the end of that war, we will be taken up to heaven to spend eternity. Some believe that the new Jerusalem is the same as heaven. There is a text in Peter that indicates the world will be destroyed, and that’s why I believe as I do.

    10. Eternity with God, who sits on the throne and Jesus who sits at His right hand! God has given all authority over to Jesus, so it will be Jesus that we worship in the beautiful heavens! A river of life runs thru it! How, majestic it must be! Eye has not seen, ear has not heard how wonderful it will be. And there we will spend eternity!

    If that’s not enough to make you want to give your everything to Jesus, I can’t imagine what is! Call upon Him today! Christians, keep oil in your lamp! It could happen any hour now! God bless y’all!

  • Joseph Weissman
    Reply June 26, 2020

    Joseph Weissman

    That is not true, you can read a host of Puritan, Presbyterian, Covenanter and Reformed postmillennial commentaries such as James Durham, Wilhelmus a Brakel, Patrick Fairbairn, and David Brown.

    • Michael Robert Dunia
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Michael Robert Dunia

      Amen, Joseph Weissman!

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      all of which came WAY later you know

    • Joseph Weissman
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Joseph Weissman

      Troy Day James Durham died in 1658, A Brakel in 1711, Fairbairn in 1874, and Brown in 1897.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Joseph Weissman irrelevant They all came about AFTER the puritans And yes late 1800s early 1900s is what I meant Right after DARBY made widespread of pre-trib which was native to American eschatology postmils started spreading their poison BUT Puritan eschatology during the seventeenth century,
      and in fact well into the eighteenth century, was characteristically pre-millennial in that it envisioned the occurrence of some eschatological crisis before the advent of the millennium.
      There are dissertations out there like this one that proves that Some calvinator has mislead you grossly May I also add that I strongly doubt you know what Augustine believe on eschatology if you think he was postmil too
      Kingdom and church in New England; Puritan eschatology from John Cotton to Jonathan Edwards
      William Charles Eamon
      The University of Montana
      https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6564&context=etd&fbclid=IwAR2jEEb1K6W1cAU27C501VjTBIfqUo7pCORF1LnNHRZSp4Qx14HovZP8O9A

    • Joseph Weissman
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Joseph Weissman

      Troy Day I’m not sure what you’re arguing. These are all postmil commentators who lived before the 20th century, disproving your OP.

  • Philip Williams
    Reply June 26, 2020

    Philip Williams

    Jonathan Edwards and Charles Finney were both postmillennial.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      says where – pls review the dissertation I posted

    • Philip Williams
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day
      I am only able to read memes.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Philip Williams Puritan eschatology during the seventeenth century,
      and in fact well into the eighteenth century, was characteristically pre-millennial in that it envisioned the occurrence of some eschatological crisis before the advent of the millennium.
      There are dissertations out there like this one that proves that Some calvinator has mislead you grossly May I also add that I strongly doubt you know what Augustine believe on eschatology if you think he was postmil too
      Kingdom and church in New England; Puritan eschatology from John Cotton to Jonathan Edwards
      William Charles Eamon
      The University of Montana
      https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6564&context=etd&fbclid=IwAR2jEEb1K6W1cAU27C501VjTBIfqUo7pCORF1LnNHRZSp4Qx14HovZP8O9A

    • Philip Williams
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Philip Williams

      Augustine following Tychonius was preterist and anti-chilliast,certainly not premillennial.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Philip Williams Augustine was as a-mil as it gets No other way to explain Civitas Deo Pentecostal biblical scholar French Arrington details the popularization of dispensationalism by John Nelson Darby and by C. I. Scofield. Arrington describes dispensationalism as “an interpretive scheme grafted onto the traditional body of Christian doctrine.” He defines it more specifically as a “basic assumption that God deals with the human race in successive dispensations.” A dispensation is a period of time
      marked by a beginning, a test, and termination in judgment through human failure or sin. Though dispensationalism has influenced Pentecostal theology, probably because of the
      avid attachment of both to eschatology, “the earliest pentecostal teachings were not tied to directly to dispensationalism.” In Arrington’s opinion, the statements of faith of major Pentecostal denominations do “commit them to premillennialism but not necessarily to dispensationalism.”

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Michael Robert Dunia Joseph Weissman John Nelson Darby learned his system of Dispensationalism, rather, a futurist reading of the book of Revelation, from Irving’s translation of the Chilean Jesuit Lacunza’s book from Spanish to English.

    The Jesuit Francisco Ribera invented futurist prophecy to shield the Pope from accusations that he was the antiChrist. Ironically, the Cambridge mathematician Joseph Mede developed historical premillennialism to counter Ribera and the late sixteenth century
    The Historical Premillennial view objects to pre-tribulation rapture because they do not do not see a sharp distinction between Israel and the Church–as seen in Dispensational Premillennialism. Therefore, Historical Premmillenialsm do not beleive the “he” in 2 Thess 2:7 is the church.

    THE Darby Lacunza connection is pretty well known We have actually discussed it here somewhat – paul riviera too borrowed from Lacunza I have the detail transference of pre-Trib doctrine within the USA and in fact it was NOT via Scofiled or Darby but via the Catholic church of Latin America Scofield did nothing more than popularizing a teaching that has been already prominent in non-reformed evangelical churches like many baptists at the time

    Lacunza borrowed much from Fiore with his 3 eras of Father, Son and HS – Darby however did translate the BIBLE from original languages in French and English There is a small and not well known but very important book with his translators notes where he explains the actual BIBLE and then theology truth of his rapture findings during his double BIBLE translation I’ve tried to relate SOME of this to Link at times but it has proven to be a lost cause without basic understanding of at least Greek
    Samuel Tregelles also adopted Newton’s position against Darby and posited the view that the source of Darby’s ‘secret rapture’ theory was in fact a prophetic utterance given by one of Edward Irving’s congregation.

    I also own after much search Larkin’s original 1919 first print of his Revelation commentary It is VERY expensive and I know of only a few private owners who still have it

    BUT Larkin is NOT the earlier source I was speaking of I was speaking about Knox Fox Newton Clarke Finney George Mueller Treanch Keil Alford Ellicott and many others who before Larkin all the way to Euphem of Syria and Clement of Rome who claimed the CHURCH is taken BEFORE the rapture as most church fathers believed back then

    Then as per splitting history med. monk Joachim Fiore first split it in 3 ages There is so many one cannot count here

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      and Philip Williams can confirm most of this

    • Joseph Weissman
      Reply June 26, 2020

      Joseph Weissman

      I agree broadly, but your OP was about post mil.

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