The early church never looked to the government for guidance

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The early church never looked to the government for guidance

5 Things The Church Needs to Stop Doing in order to Make Progress:

1. Being So Weird Online

2. Commenting on Politics

3. Handling Conflict So Poorly

4. Ranking Sin Selectively

5. Judging Outsiders

John Kissinger [07/31/2015 1:53 PM]
The American Society for Church Growth reports that: – Between 3,500 to 4,000 churches close their doors each year in America – That makes it over 10 churches every day – Churches loose estimated of 2.5 million people each year

Lennie Marx [08/01/2015 10:25 AM]
These are churches that have no message, Mark 16:15-20! They can be restored by getting out of the banking business and preach the word of G-d, then apply it in the unaltered form!

32 Comments

  • Reply April 30, 2016

    Louise Cummings

    I wouldn’t think so like today. But looked more to the Bible.

  • Reply April 30, 2016

    Louise Cummings

    They did believe in one Nation Under God. Which I think was great.

  • Reply April 30, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Ricky Grimsley liked this on Facebook.

  • Reply May 1, 2016

    Louise Cummings

    I guess I wasn’t thinking about that saying for guidance. I don’t looked to them now for guidance. I look to the Lord always. I was just thinking of paying attention to politics. I guess for guidance didn’t register in my brain until just now. I noticed that. They looked to the Lord. So do l. I’ve got to get to paying attention to what is being ask.

  • Reply May 1, 2016

    Fazal Abbas

    Fazal Abbas liked this on Facebook.

  • Reply May 1, 2016

    Suresh Dhaubanjar

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  • Reply November 22, 2016

    Charles Page

    6) don’t handle poisonous snakes without good faith!

  • Reply November 22, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    7) dont sell the property you dont have without good faith!

  • Reply November 22, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    8) listening to Internet advice and poles.

  • Reply November 23, 2016

    Daniel J Hesse

    I do not see them looKing for guidance, nor do I see them anxious over elections.

  • Reply August 17, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    how did they do it? Charles Page Philip Williams Nelson Banuchi Jim Price ???

  • Reply August 17, 2019

    Nelson Banuchi

    God had their back confirming the Word with signs and miracles…

  • Reply August 17, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    For a millennium the Catholic church kept their constituency from reading the bible because they believed they could not be trusted to understand it. Once the bible became available to the masses there was at last political affiliation https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/franklin-graham-and-the-high-cost-of-the-lost-evangelical-witness/

    • Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Evangelicals, Pentecostals and especially the sorry state of their ministries can certainly be blamed for the sinking state of this nation, but it’s disingenuous to blame them for choosing between the better of bad choices.

      The Graham family’s loss of influence is chiefly due to the family exploiting their father’s ministry for themselves rather than supporting the work of God. It’s not due to their political involvement, whatever you think about that.

  • Reply August 17, 2019

    Steve Losee

    it’s only one of the reasons I believe we should shuck the 501c3 & take away that hold the govt has on churches.

    • Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Steve Losee ordinary churches aren’t subject to 501(c)3 and never were. The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is no longer 501(c)3. That chiefly means they must have good financial accountability, something that the big ministries wish to avoid. If churches and ministries can’t protect the children from pervert ministries, they ought to be under the government who will prosecute them. Sad to have to see the world teach morality and accountability to Christians. The Pentecostal ministries are as bad as the Catholics in not wishing to be held accountable for their wickedness. The ministries, mind you. What a disgrace before God and man.

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Philip Williams many years ago Ricky Grimsley asked this and many have been wondering about it since Are you saying churches should stop being 501(c)3? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=501

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      what I am saying is that they have never been required to do so, and sadly most church leaders don’t want such financial accountability.

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Ricky Grimsley

      Troy Day yes. The time will come when it will be used to imprison us or destroy us financially.

  • Reply August 18, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    most of it is not true of course But the main leader in this presidential jamboree is a non Pentecostal charismatic Michael Brown WHO has been monetizing on both sides of the play pro and con touching on the gentle soul of the evangelical elector #THERE http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-to-interpret-dr-browns-politicostalim/

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      I see no answer here? Philip Williams

  • Reply August 18, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    SO Charles Page what was your problem with SoJo again? I finally found it Nelson Banuchi Robert Erwine https://sojo.net/magazine/septemberoctober-2019/pray-president-trump-franklin-graham

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      note early publish SAYS SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER 2019

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Charles Page

      Troy Day it’s Agnes Sandford psychochristian slycology

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Charles Page

      Same as Christian exorcism

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Nelson Banuchi

      Troy Day, when I posted this on my FB page, someone commented, asking me if I was “this loud about the corruptions of the Obama & Clinton administrations?” And he was concerned I “jumped on this manipulating bandwagon!”

      I answered saying,
      ********************
      “Unfortunately, such arguments – that the Clinton & Obama administrations were corrupt – seems to be the fundamental, if not only, line of defense for Trump that many conservative Christians parrot to each other… (perhaps trying to convince their conscience that they are in the right, on God’s side?).

      “Such weak argumentations by conservative evangelical Christians, from my perspective, only betray an admission that Trump and his administration is corrupt and that they are willing to support and serve a corrupt administration if it obtains their desired ends.

      “Apparently, what was slanderous in the apostle Paul’s day is not slanderous today (Romans 3:8).

      “I can’t believe you – or any evangelical Christian conservative for that matter – would allow Trump to manipulate them.”
      ********************

      It is distressing to me to see how easily evangelical conservatives are bewitched by Trump (especially Dr. Brown, which, btw, it’s the first time I’ve seen Brown’s video you posted above and can affirm all he said was my argument in 2016). It seems as if for the sake of an agenda (which is not wrong) they seem to have placed truth and morality on the sidelines without really realizing it, thinking they have it before them.

      Not only have we lost the moral high-ground, we’ve muddled the message of the Gospel.

      No?

    • Reply August 18, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Nelson Banuchi I dont know I asked Philip Williams but he wouldnt tell me either

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