Listen to a bunch of Pentecostals blast Charsmatics….. why don’t we realize that we agree on 99% of things…. It is the whole “but Lord, they are moving in the Spirit but they are not part of us” mentality.
Leo Roszkowski [11/28/2015 7:21 AM]
Are you speaking of Catholic Charismatics ?
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 7:28 AM]
yeah, what do you mean by “Listen to a bunch of Pentecostals blast Charsmatics” cause I have a similar impression?
Peter A Vandever [11/28/2015 7:31 AM]
Pentecostals (AG/COG) just blast Charmatics (Word of Faith) all day when we share most things together.
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 7:33 AM]
ah NOT really – if you’re honest it really depends on WHICH Charismatics are we talking about. Do you agree with the Starbucks church out there? Alan N Carla Smith Charles Page Timothy Carter Ricky Grimsley
Ricky Grimsley [11/28/2015 7:45 AM]
When i see people in word of faith bowing to the pope then we see where they really stand.
Robert Borders [11/28/2015 8:33 AM]
I remember the days when some COG ministers cautioned me that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit as taught by charismatic Christians was not the same as the Baptism in the Holy Ghost. They told me that the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit were not one and the same!
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 9:41 AM]
Robert there’s some truth in what you’re saying. Charismatics do NOT include sanctification requirement in their pneumatology. But this post seems mostly of a CSS: Chronic Critique Syndrome (CCS) is an emotional need to offer verbal opinions, critiques, complaints, advice, and comments on things for which not responsible. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2015/11/27/chronic-critique-syndrome-by-david-roseberry/
Brian Crisp [11/28/2015 9:58 AM]
The word of faith is heresy, so it should be avoided. I am pretty trib but have no problem worshipping with mid or post trib, I can worship with folks who have different ideas than me but I can’t go along with heresy.
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 10:14 AM]
BTW are you aware of any other ongoing discussions that makes difference b/w charismatics and classic Pentecostals? This group is probably one of few such discussions that even exist today
John Conger [11/28/2015 10:20 AM]
If e are talking about ride charismatics that yeah people how to speak in tongues I see a big problem with that
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 10:24 AM]
much/most of what we’ve seen is someone with a limited Tulsa/ Brons-weak/Pepsi-cola/Toronto experience or more recently with open community/Hillsong/C3 Australian churchy know-how commenting on the whole Pentecostal movement either (1) without much clue about the foundations of early Pentecostalism in the holiness movement , or (2) without been rooted in classic Pentecostal doctrine or (3) without much concern about restoring true Pentecostal revivalism and holiness movement lifestyle in the church #BOOM Alan Rick Timothy Carter Peter Ricky Grimsley
Gottfried Sommer [11/28/2015 10:35 AM]
“Pentecostals (AG/COG) just blast Charmatics (Word of Faith) all day when we share most things together.”
“Charmatics” or “Charsmatics” must be a new name for the followers of “Word of Faith” teaching because Charismatics existed a long time bevor WoF teaching was popular. “Charismatic” was a definition for Roman Catholic or Protestant believers who were believing in the continuation of the spiritual gifts and were practicing them.
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 10:43 AM]
Characterizing Christians of various denominations who seek an ecstatic religious experience, sometimes including speaking in tongues and instantaneous healing. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/charismatic
most recently joined by Hilssong, like-Hilssong and wanna-be-Hilssong, progressive/hipster pastors and other know-how/church growth movement reps. Summed up under one common denominator by Macarthur’s book which was greatly disputed by many like @Charles Carrin Jon Ruthven William DeArteaga Craig S. Keener Eddie L. Hyatt Frank Macchia Vinson Synan and even Frank Viola http://cupandcross.com/reviews-of-macarthurs-strange-fire/
Gottfried Sommer [11/28/2015 10:50 AM]
The question is not about a definition what the term Charismatic means in general, but how a differentiation between “(classical) Pentecostals” and “Charismatics” could be made. As I know, never in recent history one was regarded as “high charismatic” when he followed WoF.
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 10:51 AM]
beg to differ on the definition – undermined sanctification experience and holiness doctrine and you might as well be a baptist #calvinator but I do agree with Peter A Vandever that my personal definition is strict. For the devils also believe in Acts 2 and tremble but it does not make them #Pentecostal?
Jerrod Buffington [11/28/2015 3:21 PM]
It’s the same difference as iPhone 5 and I phone 5s
Rick Wadholm Jr [11/28/2015 3:25 PM]
Yep, 99% the same. 🙂