John Kissinger [01/09/2016 4:31 PM]
Micael Grenholm how do you differentiate between Pentecostals & Charismatics?
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 4:36 PM]
well Micael Grenholm it is distinctly pointed out on the page you’re wanting us to like BUT perhaps a better working definition is in order 🙂 In Sweden is there still difference between Charismatic and Catholics?
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 4:43 PM]
Its been pointed time and time again by several old timers in this group that back in the 70s charismatics were Catholics (mainly) who were baptized in the Holy Ghost and (maybe) operated under the gifts. The recent turn in Sweden of ultra-Charismatic Ulf Ekmman toward Catholicism and the call of the Pope to charismatics to visit him in the Vatican in 2017, have raised the question of what exactly this new breed of charismatics is and is it perhaps cahrismatics turning to mainline Catholicism instead of the vice-versa paradigm of the 70s? John Ruffle William DeArteaga http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/Charism.htm
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 4:57 PM]
Nice Micael Grenholm is this your original idea and how are you proving it?
John Ruffle [01/09/2016 5:02 PM]
I want to give a very short reply (am very tired right now as I await birth of a baby!)
Of course I was absolutely delighted when Ulf announced he was being received into the RC Church.But I’m not convinced that his charismatic theology had an awful lot to do with it. What i have observed is many cradle Catholics hankering after some of the glitzy elements of protestant charismatic practice, while remaining within the Catholic Church. I am quite troubled by the trend as it seems an inadequate theological response when Christians seek experience over a deeper and lasting substance handed down through the centuries.
Others I know or are acquainted with -including myself- have felt an urge for a deeoer spirituality of an ilk I have never encountered in Protestant (non-Anglican) churches.
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 5:04 PM]
So how you then differentiate b/w Pentecostals and charismatics? Micael Grenholm
John Ruffle [01/09/2016 5:11 PM]
Yep! Glory be to God.
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 5:12 PM]
oh hallelujah – congratulations; have a name yet?
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 8:32 PM]
exactly what I was warning against http://holyspiritactivism.com/2013/02/16/aaron-d-taylor-merging-charismatic-and-mennonite-traditions/
Glynn Brown [01/10/2016 6:06 AM]
Pentecostal is more of a denomination, whereas charismatic is not,it’s one who has the gifts regardless of any denominational affiliation.
John Kissinger [01/10/2016 7:10 AM]
Glynn Brown do you mean more of independent churches?
Glynn Brown [01/10/2016 8:32 AM]
Independent, non denominational,etc.
Glynn Brown [01/10/2016 8:35 AM]
You can be a Baptist charismatic, a Methodist charismatic, a Catholic charismatic, etc.
John Kissinger [01/10/2016 8:36 AM]
That most certainly was the case back in the 70s, but it seems to be reverting nowadays as we discussed with Terry Wiles in the tribal topic yesterday http://bereanresearch.org/new-apostolic-reformation-using-empowered21-assemblies-of-god-to-further-agenda/
Terry Wiles [01/10/2016 8:39 AM]
Micael. What do you mean when you say we should get together to “promote peace and justice?”
John Kissinger [01/10/2016 8:40 AM]
And would that mean specifically that Pentecostal AND NAR should get together to “promote peace and justice?”