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Randy Steinke | PentecostalTheology.com
I got blocked on that Catholic discussion page. For asking too many questions (actually I deleted a post I guess that’s not allowed). Does anybody have a list of where the apostles and Jesus apparently quoted from the Apocrypha? The one Catholic posted a list and I started to pick it apart and they lost interest.
The list said that Jesus in Matt 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
Was quoting from
Wisdom 16:26 ” That thy children, O Lord, whom thou lovest, might know, that it is not the growing of fruits that nourisheth man: but that it is thy word, which preserveth them that put their trust in thee.”
But was obviously quoted from
Deut 8:3 “that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.”
I need a list worthy of real consideration.
Randy Steinke
Matt. 6:19-20 – Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 – lay up your treasure.
Matt 6:19 “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal”
Sirach 29:11
“Lay up thy treasure according to the commandments of the most High, and it shall bring thee more profit than gold.”
Matt… 7:12 – Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 – what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt 7:12 “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets”
Tobit 4:15 “Do that to no man which thou hatest: drink not wine to make thee drunken: neither let drunkenness go with thee in thy journey.”
Matt. 7:16,20 – Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 – the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt 7:16 “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” Vs 20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them”
Sirach 27:6 “The fruit declareth if the tree have been dressed; so is the utterance of a conceit in the heart of man.”
Matt. 9:36 – the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 – sheep without a shepherd.
Matt 9:36 “But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd”
Judith 11:19 “And I will lead thee through the midst of Judea, until thou come before Jerusalem; and I will set thy throne in the midst thereof; and thou shalt drive them as sheep that have no shepherd, and a dog shall not so much as open his mouth at thee: for these things were told me according to my foreknowledge, and they were declared unto me, and I am sent to tell thee.”
Matt. 11:25 – Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 – Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.”
Tobit 7:18 “Be of good comfort, my daughter; the Lord of heaven and earth give thee joy for this thy sorrow: be of good comfort, my daughter.”
Matt. 12:42 – Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt 12:42 “The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.”
Obviously talking about the Queen of Sheba actually visiting the actual person King Solomon……Wow…..
Matt. 16:18 – Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt 16:18 “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
Wisdom 16:13 “For thou hast power of life and death: thou leadest to the gates of hell, and bringest up again.”
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 – Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt 22:25 “Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother”
Mark 12:20 “Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.”
Luke 20:29 “There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.”
Tobit 3:8 “Because that she had been married to seven husbands, whom Asmodeus the evil spirit had killed, before they had lain with her. Dost thou not know, said they, that thou hast strangled thine husbands? thou hast had already seven husbands, neither wast thou named after any of them.”
Tobit 7:11 “I have given my daughter in marriage to seven men, who died that night they came in unto her: nevertheless for the present be merry. But Tobias said, I will eat nothing here, till we agree and swear one to another.”
Matt. 24:15 – the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt 24:15 “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
1st Macc 1:54 ” Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side”
2nd Macc 8:17 ” And to set before their eyes the injury that they had unjustly done to the holy place, and the cruel handling of the city, whereof they made a mockery, and also the taking away of the government of their forefathers”
Matt. 24:16 – let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt 24:16 “Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains”
1 Macc 2:28 “So he and his sons fled into the mountains, and left all that ever they had in the city.”
Matt. 27:43 – if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Matt 27:43 “He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God”
Wisdom 2:18 “For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies.”
Mark 4:5,16-17 – Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Mark 4:5 “And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth” vs 16-17 “And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended.”
Sirach 40:15 ” The children of the ungodly shall not bring forth many branches: but are as unclean roots upon a hard rock.”
Mark 9:48 – description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
Mark 9:48 “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
Judith 16:17 ” Woe to the nations that rise up against my kindred! the Lord Almighty will take vengeance of them in the day of judgment, in putting fire and worms in their flesh; and they shall feel them, and weep for ever.”
scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
Randy Steinke
All I did was take the list that you can see in the link that I got from a Catholic. And pasted every single quote next to each other so you can see that them claiming Jesus quoted from the Apocrypha is very dubious Otherwise, they wouldn’t have to fabricate a list like this and look it’s from an official Catholic website.
Jef Son
Jesus did not quote them as Scriptures.
John Campbell
The apocryphal writings were never quoted by Jesus.. Which is one reason they were disqualified.
George Albinus
Matt. 6:19-20 – Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 – lay up your treasure.
Matt… 7:12 – Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 – what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt. 7:16,20 – Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 – the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt. 9:36 – the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 – sheep without a shepherd.
Matt. 11:25 – Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 – Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt. 12:42 – Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt. 16:18 – Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 – Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt. 24:15 – the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt. 24:16 – let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt. 27:43 – if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Mark 4:5,16-17 – Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Selam Alexandria
What group was that lol
Randy Steinke
It was Christian Theology debate and discussion.
Randy Steinke
Run by Catholics and pretty smart too I like the group but…..
Martina Therese Schell
Speaking as an ex-catholic we were not permitted to read the Bible. The Church traditions and teachings are foremost because only the Church and the clergy has ‘the authority’ to interpret the Bible. I’ve not known many Catholics who could quote Scripture, let alone in context.
Drew Hoffmann
Here ya go friend
https://youtu.be/mParOC-So4k
Josh Lammle
I have been blocked by so many catholic pages ?
Randy Steinke
I’m converting to Catholicism now…
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