HOMOSEXUAL COUPLE LED THE CHOIR at HILLSONG NYC CHURCH
John Ruffle [08/04/2015 8:28 AM] This is actually a fairly old story (2014/early 2015) , but it is true non-the-less.. and tragic. Reading the Church Fathers today re. Montanism, which flourished in infectingt the Church during the last part of the 2nd century… and frankly, it sounded a lot like the free-for-all church we see prospering today. False prophets, high profits, babbling in tongues while in ecstacy in public meetings.. Apollonius in Eusebius even quoting Matthew 10:9,10 against such. “As regards to Christ Himself they do not truely acknowledge Him” “…a certain recent convert to the faith named Montanus …became frenzied and began to babble and utter strange sounds, that is to say, prophesying contrary to the manner which the Church had received from generation to generation by tradition from the beginning …as at one possessed and tormented with a devil, the prey of a spirit of error and a disturber of the people.” It goes on further! (A New Eusbius J. Stevenson (1957) reprinted 1978, SPCK, page 112-115 ISBN #0281008027
John Ruffle [08/04/2015 8:29 AM] http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/isbn/0281008027/first-edition/ (Says 1st edition, but it isn’t)
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 8:35 AM] Where is the proof?
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 8:42 AM] Actually, I checked the headlines and found no reliable info that that couple are either a) openly gay or b) leading at Hillsong NYC. If you read what their pastors actually said, their stand is absolutely traditional. This forum should have no place for such spurious gossip from an outlet which has remembered doctrine but forgotten love. Mods, please remove this.
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 8:47 AM] And the original article said “sing in the choir”, which can be read several ways. It also begs the question as to whether they church knew about their relationship before. I have not seen any statement outside that news article that they have anything to do with Hillsong NYC. One source is not enough.
John Kissinger [08/04/2015 9:05 AM] Are you sure in your assessment? This is what Pastor Brian Houston said previously: http://www.christianpost.com/news/hillsongs-brian-houston-on-gay-marriage-i-believe-the-writings-of-paul-are-clear-on-this-subject-128282/
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 9:24 AM] He cautioned people to take what he actually wrote. To me, I would say he is as clear as he could be without being savaged and while being sensitive. Best not to fall into journalistic traps. I would agree with him that we need to ensure that we don’t get so into one topic that we forget what we are actually about.
Charles Page [08/04/2015 10:16 AM] I bet David and Johnathan would have made a good team worship leaders. At least they would get good exposure on Face Book!!!
David M. Hinsen [08/04/2015 10:28 AM] Considering that Jonathan threw David under the bus and sold him out, I don’t think they would work too well together, lol. There might be some microphone slinging going on!
This was thoroughly repudiated when brought to light by Hillsong leadership – it is dumb to post again the old beginning of the story without the conclusion of the matter
Tim Anderson This is not a site or page but a group and there’s a difference in handling different internet entities. Tim Anderson I think it was John Ruffle who already run a full chronology and proved the news was very real. John can tell you it is not a gossip, not a rumor, not a smear. Brian just did not have a clue it was going on under his nose. Once it came out public, a cover was run to control the story. It is funny to get an all Tim response 🙂 Now waiting for Timothy Carter
The reason for the repost was to show Jim Price that homosexuality in the church is no harmless love between two meek people and it has a very long term and very painful effect on the Christian church. The two Hillsong choir individuals from the picture are Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly. They are a proudly support the LGBT Agenda and are planning their wedding in 2016. They feel no conviction of any kind for the lifestyle they lead, and yet, shockingly, they are allowed to lead the worship choir during church services. Has the church failed to minister to them?
I never said that they were in the church nor that a gay lifestyle was harmless. I only said that they were meek and never acted like the hoodlums we see in Genesis 19.
Well, personally I think we should start interceding that God will rain fire and brimstone down on every Hillsong Church — and every church that uses Hillsong music — just to show that he doesn’t approve of homosexuality.
Let the facts speak for themselves:
Timeline, Clarification and Statement on the Hillsong gay choir director:
1. In January of 2015, Hillsong NYC Church had an openly-out gay church member leading choir and also sing on their worship team
2. Josh Canfield was leading Hillsong worship choir, with his “fiance” Russ Kelly also singing in the choir
3. Canfield’s story was published in multiple reputable sources like the New York Times and CNN
4. There are no published statements to the contrary disputing Josh Canfield’s choir leadership for that period of time
5. HillSong’s position now (august 2015) is that Josh Canfield was a choir leader, but they were “unaware” of his openly gay relationship
6. Although Josh Canfield’s Twitter (@joshuacanfield) has a picture of both of the #BroadwayFiances dated 1:03 PM – 23 Jul 2015
7. Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this: “I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/timeline-clarification-and-statement-on-the-hillsong-gay-choir-director/
Stan Wayne
This was thoroughly repudiated when brought to light by Hillsong leadership – it is dumb to post again the old beginning of the story without the conclusion of the matter
Tim Renneberg
Old “news”
Tim Renneberg
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/50900-hillsong-homosexuality-internet-rumors-and-spiritual-clarity
Tim Anderson
Would hope the Administrators of this site would practice some discernment, this “news” gossip has been debunked….
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson This is not a site or page but a group and there’s a difference in handling different internet entities. Tim Anderson I think it was John Ruffle who already run a full chronology and proved the news was very real. John can tell you it is not a gossip, not a rumor, not a smear. Brian just did not have a clue it was going on under his nose. Once it came out public, a cover was run to control the story. It is funny to get an all Tim response 🙂 Now waiting for Timothy Carter
Tim Anderson
it’s a distraction from the purpose of the gospel. I will not waste valuable time by playing “gotcha”. Best wishes!!
Varnel Watson
Pls review this chronology on the story prepared by John Ruffle before making anymore harsh conclusions. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/timeline-clarification-and-statement-on-the-hillsong-gay-choir-director/
The reason for the repost was to show Jim Price that homosexuality in the church is no harmless love between two meek people and it has a very long term and very painful effect on the Christian church. The two Hillsong choir individuals from the picture are Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly. They are a proudly support the LGBT Agenda and are planning their wedding in 2016. They feel no conviction of any kind for the lifestyle they lead, and yet, shockingly, they are allowed to lead the worship choir during church services. Has the church failed to minister to them?
Jim Price
I never said that they were in the church nor that a gay lifestyle was harmless. I only said that they were meek and never acted like the hoodlums we see in Genesis 19.
Tim Renneberg
As the blogger writes, the only thing worse than a false story is a partial one. Far be it for “repudible” media outlets to run with a story that may lead to a scandal. http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2015/08/10/why-survivors-broadway-boyfriends-will-keep-singing-with-hillsong-church/
Ben Wilson
Well, personally I think we should start interceding that God will rain fire and brimstone down on every Hillsong Church — and every church that uses Hillsong music — just to show that he doesn’t approve of homosexuality.
Lee Hall-Perkins
Let’s be careful to call for fire amd brimstone. It might hit you instead.
Tim Renneberg
Well that’s one option. As a musician, I hope there is another option
Varnel Watson
Let the facts speak for themselves:
Timeline, Clarification and Statement on the Hillsong gay choir director:
1. In January of 2015, Hillsong NYC Church had an openly-out gay church member leading choir and also sing on their worship team
2. Josh Canfield was leading Hillsong worship choir, with his “fiance” Russ Kelly also singing in the choir
3. Canfield’s story was published in multiple reputable sources like the New York Times and CNN
4. There are no published statements to the contrary disputing Josh Canfield’s choir leadership for that period of time
5. HillSong’s position now (august 2015) is that Josh Canfield was a choir leader, but they were “unaware” of his openly gay relationship
6. Although Josh Canfield’s Twitter (@joshuacanfield) has a picture of both of the #BroadwayFiances dated 1:03 PM – 23 Jul 2015
7. Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this: “I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/timeline-clarification-and-statement-on-the-hillsong-gay-choir-director/
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