Lets talk about something i haven’t seen discussed since I joined the group. That being the subject of Holiness. As in, modesty, dressing appropriately, having a Christ like demeanour, etc. And GO!
Ricky Grimsley [01/31/2016 3:15 PM]
1 Peter 1:15-16 KJVS
 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;  Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Ricky Grimsley [01/31/2016 3:20 PM]
We should always keep in mind that we represent christ and holiness is what we should look like.
John Kissinger [01/31/2016 3:44 PM]
there was a topic on #MODESTY here back in the day http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/christian-modesty/
Jimmy Humphrey [01/31/2016 4:27 PM]
Biblically speaking, modesty is about simplicity and shunning an extravagant lifestyle more than it is about dresses, makeup, and blue jeans.
John Kissinger [01/31/2016 4:29 PM]
#MODESTY was important to early Pentecostals and they always treated it as part of practical #HOLINESS http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-importance-of-holiness/
Charles Page [01/31/2016 5:44 PM]
holiness and sinfulness are similar both are inward and secret and they should not be outwardly manifested.
Brody Pope [01/31/2016 5:46 PM]
Charles I’m sorry, but sometimes you confuse me.
John Kissinger [01/31/2016 6:02 PM]
Charles Page Timothy Carter Brody Pope What do you think WOULD PREACHING “OLD TIME HOLINESS” HURT A PASTOR? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/would-preaching-old-time-holiness-hurt-a-pastor/
Charles Page [01/31/2016 6:21 PM]
what does it matter if a pastor is hurt? if some of the congregation is offended? Should we be living in unity or holiness?
I’m sure “old time holiness” is an undefined catch phrase used by old fashion people.
Each local church should have some practical teachings that identify the local body as a holy and separate people.
Each local body should have a disciplinary process that involves the membership to enforce the teachings.
John Kissinger [01/31/2016 7:34 PM]
WELL the main questions here is WAS THE CHURCH PREDESTINED FOR SALVATION OR HOLINESS? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/was-the-church-predestined-for-salvation-or-holiness/
John Conger [01/31/2016 7:38 PM]
I always preached seeking first the kingdom and the spirit first and He’ll convict you of anything you’re doing wrong. I think e become destructive when we start implementing extra biblical standards. We as humans don’t have the power to convict only condemn
John Kissinger [01/31/2016 7:56 PM]
Many seek a kingdom, but very few seek a KINGDOM of HOLINESS http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-practice-of-holiness/
Ben Wilson [01/31/2016 9:01 PM]
Well I, for one, believe that while the Holy Spirit might have been able to convict people of sin and righteousness at one time, that is certainly no longer the case. It appears that like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge, that the Holy Spirit is just no longer in the sin convicting business.
That being the case, it is absolutely incumbent upon those of us who are Spiritual to do just what Jesus would do, and that is rule with an iron rod and enforce Holiness in all areas of other less Spiritual believer’s lives.
I think all would agree with me that it is tragic that female Islamic followers dress much more modestly than so-called Spirit Filled Christians. . . . .
Ricky Grimsley [01/31/2016 9:03 PM]
Ed Dowdell George [02/01/2016 12:27 AM]
You can’t ‘enforce holiness’ any more than you can bottle sunshine. Holiness has to be a matter of the heart, mind, and will directed toward God first. External matters may require mentoring by older saints in the faith who are motivated by love and not by the log in their own eyes. If that doesn’t work we should just put blinders on the men who can’t control their wandering eyes.
John Conger [02/01/2016 12:41 AM]
Please tell me you were being sarcastic to make a point
Ed Dowdell George [02/01/2016 12:43 AM]
That is correct.
Ed Dowdell George [02/01/2016 12:45 AM]
I just find it odd that when we start talking about holiness the focus turns to women’s dress and does not address males.
John Conger [02/01/2016 1:12 AM]
How about a real holiness discussion… Is it a sin to charge usury?
Josh Willis [02/01/2016 1:22 AM]
I’ve gotten to the point that I don’t care about my clothes anymore. I understand there’s nothing wrong with trying to look nice, but for me I don’t care about other people’s opinions. Everyday I wear jeans and a plain black t-shirt, even to church. I’m not trying to impress anyone and I wouldn’t want to go to a church where everyone was dressed up.
For a good 8 months or so I went to a lot of different churches of all denominations looking for a church home. Many of them I wouldn’t even consider going back to just because I felt like the bum of the church for what I looked like. Some of them I wanted to turn around and walk out before I even got to the sanctuary because I was the one who looked different. I even got a lot of snubs and people who looked me up and down for what I wore. I was blessed to grow up in church all my life so I knew that wasn’t how it was supposed to be.
Eventually i decided to go back to one of the churches I had spent many years in as a kid. I began to wonder what was acceptable for dress attire. I remembered all the looks I got from people in those other churches and how I felt uncomfortable. I thought what if someone came to my church who’s never stepped foot in one or doesn’t understand your clothing doesn’t matter to God and didn’t feel worthy of being in God’s house or felt uncomfortable like I did? What would be the chances of them coming back if they’re dressed like a bum and everyone else wore suits and dress clothes? For some people that moment very moment is their only chance for salvation and could be the difference in overcoming a drug addiction, alcoholism, suicide, or just continuing the ways of the world. I figured I don’t care about my clothes anymore and maybe that person would see myself and think he looks like a bum too and the church hasn’t ran him off yet so they must be accepting people. That right there could possibly be the difference in someone’s salvation. I understand it means that person was weak, but how do you ask a newborn baby to walk? We were all weak and most didn’t anything when we first received salvation.
Andrew C Lomp [02/01/2016 10:17 AM]
It is ll about what is on the inside of your mind not your outer appearance. Temperance should always be a consideration with you clothes but on the inside your should be on fire for our Lord and Savior Yeshuia Hamichia and be ready to share him in a moments notice !!!!
Jeffry Woolston [02/01/2016 1:24 PM]
Holiness is when the character of Christ is manifested in all we are and all we do.
Charles Page [02/01/2016 1:40 PM]
It doesn’t matter what you wear to church it is the heart that counts and if you are a child of God it doesn’t matter what you wear or not wear for that matter. Externals are non-important.
Jeffry Woolston [02/01/2016 1:52 PM]
What we wear and and how we talk as well as how we conduct ourselves in general IS VERY important! WHY? Because it demonstrates what is in our heart. ALSO many “christians” dress in a manner that can be VERY distracting and even evoke thoughts and feelings that are not conducive to worshipping God in the beauty of holiness and even cause others to stumble and fall.
Corey Forsyth [02/01/2016 2:09 PM]
I thought that was an understood premise. I don’t believe that believers have any business wearing thongs and spandex to church… Especially Charles Page… lol However, making a case that suits and dresses are superior to jeans and t shirts seems much more legalistic and condemning than holding a standard of actual modesty.