GAP THEORY CREATIONISM

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GAP THEORY CREATIONISM

John Conger [12/12/2015 7:37 AM]
Yep preach it brother ?

John Kissinger [12/12/2015 7:37 AM]
I love the smell of GAP theory in the morning 🙂 #preTrib

John Conger [12/12/2015 7:48 AM]
The new kids movie about humans and dinosaurs is a giant conspiracy by young earth creationists to undermine the truth and plant seeds of doubt on an unlearned generation in order to propagate their narrow minded view of scripture……. Or could just be a kid movie?

John Conger [12/12/2015 1:05 PM]
Bueller? Bueller?

Charismatic Theology [12/17/2015 6:18 AM]
If Satan did not fall during the #GAP, when did he… ?

102 Comments

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    What does the gap theory have to do with salvation? And I know exactly when satan fell. He fell when God kicked him out. The problem I have is that everyone that I have heard try to explain the gap theory says that God recreated the earth in six days. I don’t buy it and I won’t teach it. What I have experienced is that people have left the church because they have been taught a simple GOD CREATED THE EARTH IN SIX DAYS AND RESTED ON THE 7th. Now some teachers are trying to bring in preadamic

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Teaching and it confuses people. Salvation folks that is where it is at. Through Jesus Christ not a gap theory

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Drew Banacos

    The gap theory is a joke. It’s pure speculation. We have no evidence in science or revelation that suggests that this is likely.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    I am with you Drew.
    Drew in your thoughts why do you think people spend so much time trying to prove the gap?

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Drew Banacos

      It might be how some respond to scientists that observe that the earth appears older than 6-literal-day creationists espouse it to be. It seems like an attempt to explain why the earth is old even though there were 6 literal days of creation. Another theory I’ve heard is to make each creation day 1,000 years (based upon some random passage in the Psalms). This is an attempt to extract science from the Bible. But the Bible isn’t meant to be a science textbook. It is the inspired Word of God. It’s function has nothing to do with answering questions about cell division, physics, etc. I think some Christians are afraid evolutionary theory leads to atheism or that at least it’s blasphemy because God created. I find neither of these accusations helpful. Atheism as a conclusion about God’s existence seems to be more connected to philosophy than science. At least logically it is. I know there are people who are atheists because they think being Christian requires that one views the Bible as answering every question about science.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    John Conger

    How old do you believe the earth is? When did dinosaurs live? How are we able to see light from stars millions of light years away?

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    John Conger Roger David Ricky Grimsley Alan N Carla Smith Tom Steele

    The pre-Adamic race GAP theory explains it all:

    1. Where lost souls come from?

    2. Where the demons come from?

    3. When did Satan fall from the Heavens?

    4. How did 1/3 of the angels fall with Satan?

    5. Why do the Bible tells us TWO creation stories?

    6. Why was earth created staples and void (this brings to perspective flat earth vs a globe as well)?

    7. Why do the Bible tells us TWO flood narratives?

    8. Age of earth?

    9. The disappearing of the dinosaucers and why where no dinosaucers in Noah’s ark?

    10. The whole doctrine of Original sin and its coming into man’s flesh?

    Just try to explain the above without pre-Adamic race GAP theory and you will see for yourself… http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-pre-adamic-race-gap-theory-explains-it-all/

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Drew Banacos

      To answer #5, Ancient Near Eastern literature, including the Hebrew Scriptures, are full of parallelism and repetition. It doesn’t mean that there are literally 2 creations. It could be possible but we have no proof that even suggests that the gap theory actually pertains to reality. As I’ve already said, this theory is a lot of speculation.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    John Conger

    I believe in the gap theory but my question is for those who don’t. I would like to hear coherent arguments….and not just the lazy “gotta take it in faith”

    • Reply May 29, 2016

      Linda Brown Bilbrey

      Maybe you can show us where you got your definition of faith? Never heard it described as lazy!

    • Reply June 26, 2016

      bruce mercer

      the bible says deth camr through adam, the creation was cursed in adam, and sin and death reigned through adam (Gen 1, creation very good) (Gen 3, Rom 5:12-21, 1 Cor 15). the failure to understand especially Rom 5 has lead to many errors in the church. 2 Adams, 2 Men, 2 Races

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Brian Crisp

    I believe I’m the gap theory as it explains a lot.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    Calvinists dont. As well as people who think God predestined them to be something He did not

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
    13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
    14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
    Romans clearly states by the sin of one man being Adam sin came into the world so if you believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God then the possibility of the sin of man could not exist before Adam.
    And as for as dinosaurs, sure why couldn’t they be here before Adam after all the fish and mammals and reptiles and so on came before man. God made man told him to name them. Don’t have any problem with those critters. Don’t think He put them in the Ark. God only put on the ark what He wanted. Not what Noah wanted.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    John Conger

    So carbon dating is wrong? On what basis? Wasnt satans sin the first? What about light?

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Yes carbon dating is for from accurate. A study was done and six pieces cut from one piece and given to six scientist all six came back different some with thousands of years defference it’s been along time since studied this. I believe it came from dr Carl Baugh. The way I read Genesis 1 is that God created something out of nothing. Just a big ball of water and that was in the beginning. The whole key word here is God “created” meaning to bring something new into existence. And if there where a gap then Would have to recreate the earth which would mean to make something old into new, therefore somewhere in between these verses based on a “theory” it would have to read that God recreated and it just isn’t there.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    John Conger

    The argument against carbon dating is if the deterioration is static or accelerates. Still doesnt back up the young earth creation idea. And the light?

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    In the first 4 days God is bringing an order to creation. On day 5 and 6 He brings life to creation.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Rico Hero

    Ricky L Bagwell What does the gap theory have to do with salvation?

    Rico:

    Great question, Ricky!

    This is the connection of the Gap Theory and salvation: It gives the Bible validity as the Word of God and this encourages people to hear his Word, get faith, and be saved (Rom.10:17 NKJV).

    The preaching of Creation 6000 years ago made the Bible seem like a myth to me– to so many people as well.

    To hear that God created everything 6000 years ago, and he was the light separating day from night in day 1, day 2 ,and day 3, until he decided to create the sun and moon in day 4, was enough for me to reject the Bible before actually reading it.

    If it wasn’t for someone showing me the truth God revealed regarding Creation, I may not have bothered to hear Gods Word. If this is true with me, it certainly is true for many who still think the Bible is a myth because of the preaching of a young earth.

    2 Peter 3:5New King James Version (NKJV)
    5 For THIS they willfully forget: THAT BY the word of God the heavens were of OLD, and the earth standing out of water and in (surrounded by) the water,

    Yet, in Gen. 1:2, the earth is not standing out of water.

    1 In the beginning God created (brought into existence) the heavens and the earth( earth defined as dry land in v10).
    2 and the earth (dry land) was ( from the verb, to BECOME, not to be) without form (tohuw, A WASTE) and void (bohuw, EMPTY), and darkness was upon the face of the waters.(Gen.1:1-2 KJV)
    As you can see, the earth, darkness, and water are already in existence before day one. Day one starts with light. “and the evening and the morning were day one ”

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Let me ask this question because I really like this conversation. And then I will continue. Who made the light and who put time into existence? Like I said I don’t remember a whole lot about the carbon dating other than the constant inaccuratcy

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Rico Hero

    The light in day 1 came from the sun that was created long ago in the beginning. When God started the restoration work , the spirit hovered over the destroyed earth (Gen.1:2). When he said let their be light to divide night and day, he re-set the rotation of the earth ( the rotation of earth is how we get night and day.).
    In day 2 he restored the atmosphere , the firmament or an expanse dividing the water and clouds or waters above the firmament.
    The 3rd day he restored dry land so that the earth once again stood out of water and restored plant life .
    The 4th day he made (not create) the sun and moon to give seasons (by restoring the circuit of the earth is how we get seasons).
    The 5th day sea and birds. The 6th day animals and man

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    You know Ricco I don’t have a problem with time. Man can put as many years on the earth he wants don’t really matter whether it’s 6,7,8 thousand are millions and even billions. The problem is the existence of man here on earth before adam

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Drew Banacos

    Based upon these posts, it seems like the gap theory is an attempt to explain why the earth is old even though there were 6 days of creation. Another theory I’ve heard is to make each creation day 1,000 years (based upon some random passage in the Psalms). This is an attempt to extract science from the Bible. But the Bible isn’t meant to be a science textbook. It is the inspired Word of God. It’s function has nothing to do with answering questions about cell division, physics, etc. I think some Christians are afraid evolutionary theory leads to atheism or that at least it’s blasphemy because God created. I find neither of these accusations helpful. Atheism as a conclusion about God’s existence seems to be more connected to philosophy than science. At least logically it is. I know there are people who are atheists because they think being Christian requires that one views the Bible as answering every question about science.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    Actually, a pre-Adamic race GAP theory also explains it all:

    1. Where lost souls come from?

    2. Where the demons come from?

    3. When did Satan fall from the Heavens?

    4. How did 1/3 of the angels fall with Satan?

    5. Why was earth created staples and void (this brings to perspective flat earth vs a globe as well)?

    etc. Do you have answers to those Drew Banacos

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Drew Banacos

      I’m not entirely sure what you mean by #1. I really don’t know what #5 means. There is no mention of a flat earth or a globe in Genesis 1. The rest of the questions can only be answered through a lot of speculation which is why I have no conclusive answers. The gap theory may be compatible with these questions as it would offer an easy answer. But that doesn’t mean we have any reason to believe that the gap theory is true. Again, what do we have in revelation or science that even points in this direction?

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Rico Hero

    Ricky

    YEC have the view that everything was created 6000 years ago so when they read in Romans that by one man sin entered the world, they do not factor that the world that then was had its own rules. they just think evolution, which is a false theory.

    After the restoration of the earth and creation of life again, it was good until Adam transgressed Gods Law and brought sin and death into the world. Adam, this one man, brought sin and death into the restored earth that God made good and had no sin.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    Henry Volk Gap creationism was popularized by Thomas Chalmers, a professor at the University of Edinburgh, founder of the Free Church of Scotland, and author of one of the Bridgewater Treatises, who attributed it to 17th century Dutch Arminian theologian Simon Episcopius. Other early proponents included Oxford University geology professor and fellow Bridgewater author William Buckland, Sharon Turner and Edward Hitchcock. It gained widespread attention when a “second creative act” was discussed prominently in the reference notes for Genesis in the influential 1917 Scofield Reference Bible. In 1954, a few years before the re-emergence of Young Earth Flood geology eclipsed Gap creationism, influential evangelical theologian Bernard Ramm wrote in The Christian View of Science and Scripture

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    God created the heavens and the earth, period. Not me not us not theologians not science. I love this conversation. But the bible is not written based on a theory it is truth. Please don’t replace the words written with our on intellect. The young earth, old earth, gap theory are all theory’s. That means that is what you think it says are you idea of what it says. There is no theologian that can prove that God recreated the earth that is why it has always been a theory. Pray read mediate look carefully at what the word says. God is an awesome God and is created of all the universe we have to be careful with theory’s because it looks some are trying to be smarter than God. That’s why I read what I see and believe it. Genesis 1 read it and show me recreate.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    God made the earth out of water then He made the light then He made stars and land and animals and man. He made the sun for us. I know about Scofield and Dakes and I don’t by it because it was a theory based of what the thought. Let me ask you all one last thing. Could God have created all in one day.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    same questions to you Ricky 1. Where lost souls come from?

    2. Where the demons come from?

    3. When did Satan fall from the Heavens?

    4. How did 1/3 of the angels fall with Satan?

    5. Why was earth created staples and void (this brings to perspective flat earth vs a globe as well)?

    etc. Do you have answers to those???

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    I can answer these it will take me a little while that’s a lot of questions. It will good for me thanks get started right away and I will do the best I can.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Now do you have a answer to my auestion

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Sorry question

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    John Conger

    I believe scientific discoveries support scripture but scientific theory does not. Look at the prophecies of tyre, Alexander the great. Look at the scripture about the rivers In the ocean. But to completely dismiss science only makes us look like fools

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Drew Banacos

      Scripture doesn’t talk about science.

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      John Conger

      The man who charted the currents of the ocean did so because scripture spoke of the rivers in the ocean. Isaiah spoke of the circle of the earth…not science? How about things that are seen being made up of things unseen?

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Nobody asking to dismiss science but it can’t overrule Gods pefect plan I science proves to man to be right then good I use science to prove God to be right. But disapprove science to prove man to be right

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Rico Hero

    Ricky

    I certainly agree that God created the heavens and the earth. He most certainly did create the heavens and earth rather quickly for in Isa. it says he did not create the earth empty. I also cannot ignore the Apostle Peter saying the heavens were of Old or the most straightforward and literal interpretation of Genesis that shows it to be a restoration.

    I also agree to pray, read carefully what the word says.And yes, our God is an awesome God

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Amen brother: then if you say it is a restoration then that says that the very words written are a lie

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    And there are no lies are misinterpretation in Gods word.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    I ask a question does anybody that believes in the gap theory believe that God, had it been according to His plan, could have made the creation happen in 1 -24 hour day

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      God spoke the world into existence in an instant. The recreation took 7 days because God wanted it to perhaps to institute the sabbath. He could have done what ever he wanted.

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Ricky L Bagwell

      My question still hasn’t been anwserd

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Ricky L Bagwell

      Bible dosent say recreation it say creation

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Ricky L Bagwell

      Totally different meaning

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Ricky L Bagwell

      He created in 6 days rested on day seven that is what He says

    • Reply May 28, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      When did he create the angels then. In job it says they watched.

    • Reply May 29, 2016

      Ricky L Bagwell

      Ricky Grimsley Don’t know the time He created them when He created them.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Look “by one man sin entered our world” but satan had already sinned and messed up the original world.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Exactly

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Rick Hero you questions dissapeare

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Rico Hero

    Ricky

    The written word defines earth as dry land and the written word shows that the earth, darkness, and water were already in existence before day one. day one began with light. “and the evening and the morning were day one ”, so how can restoration be a lie.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Can you resend them please

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Rico Hero

    got to go take dog for one last walk. Good night brother!

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. No dry land here looks like only water.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    More to come

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    The earth became without form and void

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Isaiah 45:18 KJVS
    [18] For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Transliteration: bohuw
    Pronunciation: bō’·hü
    Part of Speech: masculine noun
    Root Word (Etymology): from an unused root (meaning to be empty)
    Outline of Biblical Usage:
    emptiness, void, waste
    KJV Translation Count:
    3 Total void 2, emptiness 1
    Strong’s Definitions: בֹּהוּ bôhûw, bo’-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Jeremiah 4:23-27 KJVS
    [23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. [24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord , and by his fierce anger. [27] For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
    If you try to make this noahs flood then you have many inconsistencies to rectify.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    This deffently not Noah’s flood there’s nothing in the scripture about a flood

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    23. Graphic picture of the utter desolation about to visit Palestine. “I beheld, and lo!” four times solemnly repeated, heightens the awful effect of the scene (compare Isa 24:19 34:11 ).
    without form and void–reduced to the primeval chaos ( Gen 1:2 ).
    24. mountains– ( Isa 5:25 ).
    moved lightly–shook vehemently.
    25. no man. . . birds–No vestige of the human, or of the feathered creation, is to be seen ( Eze 38:20 Zep 1:3 ).
    26. fruitful place–Hebrew, Carmel.
    a wilderness–Hebrew, “the wilderness,” in contrast to “the fruitful place”; the great desert, where Carmel was, there is now the desert of Arabia [MAURER].
    cities–in contrast to the fruitful place or field.
    27. full end–utter destruction: I will leave some hope of restoration ( Jer 5:10, 18 30:11 46:28; compare Lev 26:44 ).
    28. For this–on account of the desolations just described ( Isa 5:30 Hsa 4:3 ).
    not repent– ( Num 23:19 ).

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Exactly. Its an account of the state of the world before the six day creation. Showing that the once perfect world had been destroyed and was now” without form and void”

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    These scriptures has nothing to do with Genesis 1 this is a prophecy about Jeruselum

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Palistine

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Jeremiah is a prophet he describing destruction to come

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    When where there ever be “no man”?

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    “No birds”

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    If you where to describe these scriptures there nothing destroyed by water and there is a remnet. Now if the gap theory says that the earth was totally destroyed and re done then there wouldn’t be a remnant

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    There will always be man some will be in heaven some in hell. And the only time from the one and only creation in Genesis wail the earth be totally destroyed by fire and there will come a new heaven and a new earth it will not be a recreated one it will be new. When that day comes we will be there living

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Every thing will flee from Palestine at that time

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Including the birds. To me the entire book of Jeremiah needs to be red and studied before taking a a few verses and try to fit them some where else he is the weeping prophet because he always brought news of distraction and punishment he was beatin many times over but always stud up to share Gods word

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    And this…2 Peter 3:7 KJVS
    [7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    Sounds like and old earth and new earth?

    • Reply May 29, 2016

      Louise Cummings

      Read 2: Peter10–13. It says the old one will melt with a fervent heat both the earth and the elements will melt with fervent heat : both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. ( read the rest of the chapter. ).

    • Reply May 29, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      The old one was destroyed with a flood. This one will the destroyed with fire. Then there will be a new heaven and new earth.

  • Reply May 28, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Plus when dis satan sin and what was his sin?

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    Satan sinned when he came against God he was one of the highest ate the highest order of seraphim. They have free will he thought he better than God. The exact time of fall I don’t really know. Being that Lucifer was a spiritual being it could have happened at any time before Adam. I will have to check again but the fallen angels are Locke up in hell awaiting judgment like I said I will have to go back and recheck that but satan sin was rebellion.

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Ricky L Bagwell

    2nd Peter 7 is referring to the coming destruction. It’s talking about the days of old the way things where but they have changed and will not be destroyed by water but by fire. The verses are also telling us that sin will never go unpunished the final punishment will be of fire. Sure I believe in an old earth but not necessarily in years because frankly I just can’t put actual years maybe I like just along time ago whether 2 years are two million.

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    So to sum it up again – This is NOT a young earth discussion here Henry Volk and Pete Fiske has already built a strong case for that otherwise. This discussion raises questions like
    1. Where lost souls come from?

    2. Where the demons come from?

    3. When did Satan fall from the Heavens?

    4. How did 1/3 of the angels fall with Satan?

    5. Why was earth created staples and void (this brings to perspective flat earth vs a globe as well)?

    etc. Do you have answers to those? Please share! As John Conger and Ricky Grimsley has pointed our, it is virtually impossible to give a straight Biblical answers to the above question without involving the Genesis Gap theory at one point or another http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-pre-adamic-race-gap-theory-explains-it-all/

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Henry Volk

    Gap theory is a good place to get your feet wet, but theistic evolution is where it’s at. 😉

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    I dont believe in darwinian evolution but we are evolving now through directed evolution. If god does not intervene there is no telling what the transhumanists have in store for us

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    Evolution and older earth cannot explain where Satan comes from. All their supporters at one point have to deny the fall of Satan and at another even his very existence. This cannot be a Biblical position. It’s humanistic!

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Rico Hero

    Ricky L Bagwell :
    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. No dry land here

    Rico:
    No dry land here because the earth becomes empty and wet. God named the dry land earth (v10). Earth means dry land. So what happened to cause the earth or dry land to become empty, to be covered with deep water and with darkness?

    If you say that is how God created. How can you have the earth, water, and darkness before the first day of creation?

    The first day begins with light, not darkness.

    3 Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.”
    And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. (Gen.1:3-5 NLT)

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Henry Volk

    Genesis 1 & 2 are theology not science. Problem solved. :^)

  • Reply May 29, 2016

    Rico Hero

    The theological problem for YEC is having the earth, water, and darkness as uncreated 🙂

  • Reply November 4, 2016

    Varnel Watson

    Joseph D. Absher David Lewayne Porter Believe it or not Gap theory explains it all (except why Trump is doing so poorly 🙂 http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-pre-adamic-race-gap-theory-explains-it-all/

    • Reply November 4, 2016

      Varnel Watson

      Now WHY would fb put Putin with this post ? Henry Volk Is Putin responsible for the GAP in the theory too?

    • Reply November 4, 2016

      Henry Volk

      He must have hacked into the group when he hacked into Hillary’s servers.

  • Reply November 4, 2016

    Joseph D. Absher

    You guys better get back to preaching Christ. Unless you don’t care about having a little something to throw at Jesus feet.

  • Reply January 24, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Rico Hero Gary Micheal Epping Thomas Chalmers (1780-1847), a notable Scot-tish theologian and first moderator of the Free Church of Scotland, is credited with being the first proponent of the gap theory. His proposal of the theory was first recorded in 1814 in one of his lectures at Edinburgh University. Chalmer’s teaching to a great extent reflected what was happening in the late 1700s

  • Reply January 24, 2019

    Gary Micheal Epping

    YEC proponents like to claim that Chalmers and others from his era were simply reacting to the new scientific era to find a theory that allowed creation to go back before the 7 days of Genesis. His work is admirable, but it is important to show there there were supporters way before the advent of the scientific age. Scholars were looking at Verse 1:2 way earlier, not in reaction to science, but because of concerns with what was presented in the text. The ‘Targum of Onkelos’ says the ‘earth was laid waste,’ showing that one of the first translations of Scripture indicated that something happened between verse one and verse two. In the Massoretic Text, Jewish scholars indicated that there was a pause occurring between verses one and two. The existence of a gap can also be traced to first century Christian church fathers, and even further back to the Babylonian captivity according to Jewish commentaries. Origen said, ‘It is certain that the present firmament isn’t spoken of in this verse,’ in reference to GEN 1:1. He also said that verse 2 was a ‘casting down’ of the original and a ‘disruption.’ The English poet Caedmon wrote about Genesis and said that man was created to replace the fallen angels, who had ruined the previous creation. So, people have been concerned about the gap in GEN 1;2 way before the beginning of the scientific era.

  • Reply January 24, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Charles Lyell (1797-1875) became known as the “high priest of uniformitarianism” and “the father of modern geology.” Lyell’s famous three-volume work, Principles of Geology, quickly became the catalyst for the geologic movement’s move to uniformitarian principles. Many early geologists, after studying the numerous layers of sediment existing in the earth’s crust, assumed the layers were a result of the flood of Noah, knowing that moving water causes many layers to be deposited rapidly. A few thought the layers were deposited slowly over millions of years at the same rate layers are deposited today. This slow but steady accumulation was thought to be an example of uniformitarianism. For hundreds of years, scientists in all fields of study had worked within a 6,000-year time frame for the age of the earth, primarily drawn from the chronology of The Bible. With the introduction of uniformitarian principles into science, geologists felt they had a totally new way to explain the strata without admitting God had judged the world with the flood of Noah.

  • Reply January 24, 2019

    Rico Hero

    Gary Micheal Epping Robert , in his book Creation under fire within the church writes” the origin of the gap theory can be pinned down decisively to 1814″ pg 41

    • Reply January 24, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Robert should stop trolling the group with other posts and just post his book so we can finally enjoy it There is nothing to be scared of posting a book in the group

  • Reply January 24, 2019

    Rico Hero

    This Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis was the bread and butter Creation doctrine of the Protestant Fundamentalist Church in the early part of the 20th century. The interpretation has mainly been credited to the Scottish theologian, Thomas Chalmers, who began to preach it back in the early 19th century. Contrary to contemporary Young Earth Creationist allegations, Chalmers did NOT invent the Genesis Gap interpretation as a compromise of the Word of God to accommodate the Theory of Evolution. The fact that Chalmers was preaching the Genesis Gap out of the Holy Bible for well over twelve years BEFORE Darwin even published his ‘On the Origin of Species’ reveals the fallacy of such unfounded accusations.Gaines R. Johnson, D.Th.

  • Reply January 24, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    The gap theory trend gained its greatest support in 1909 when C. I. Scofield first published his Scofield Study Bible.Dr. Scofield supported the gap theory in his explanation that “the first creative act refers to the dateless past, and gives scope for all the geologic ages.” He commented that “no conflict of science with the Genesis cosmogony remains.” Dr. Scofield also advocated the “Day-Age” theory—another “time-allowing” theory teaching that the six days of creation were not literal 24-hour days but actually long periods of time. //not sure that he actually knew what it was or advocated it

    The Scofield Study Bible, believed to be the most widely used study Bible of its kind, resulted in a widespread acceptance of the gap theory, which continues today. – absolutely NOT true. Even Thompson Chain beat Scofield Study Bible many times over and other popular Bibles followed after that

  • Reply January 26, 2019

    Jared Cheshire

    Regardless of the reason, the gap theory has gained considerable support from several modern theologians. These theologians, such as Arthur C. Custance, author of Without Form and Void (1970), and well known preachers Billy Graham, Peter Ruckman, and John Hagee, have adopted the gap theory, in one form or another. As mentioned earlier, a clear distinction must be made when considering the proponents of the gap theory. Some gap theorists have arrived at their conclusions based upon their preconceived idea that the earth is billions of years old. They are schooled in the uniformitarian mindset and have chosen the gap theory as a means of placing their needed time into the Biblical framework. Other gap theorists simply hold their position because it was how they were taught to interpret certain passages of Scripture

  • Reply January 26, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Jared Cheshire we;ve discussed this before and NO Gen 13 does not do that but still in what way do you feel it undermines ?

    • Reply January 26, 2019

      Jared Cheshire

      I was just sharing info. But the article is showing the paralleled grammar.

    • Reply January 26, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      the gen 13 explanation fails WHEN we read Jeremiah describing in detail God’s act of judgment upon the “first” earth. Jeremiah 4:23-24 “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.” The phrase “without form, and void” is an association with Genesis 1:2, and the word earth in this verse is a reference to the planet earth

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