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During my doctoral research about the history of Assemblies of God beliefs about eschatology, I made several interesting discoveries. While most know Pentecostals have historically followed premillennial, dispensational, and pretribulational forms of eschatology, I have to admit that many of my assumptions about those beliefs were challenged and/or corrected by what I found articulated in … Continue reading Five Surprising Facts About Assemblies of God Eschatology
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Oscar Valdez it was @Ana-Maria Plus Michael aka Anička Bubanová WHO questioned pre-mil in AG and got this answer here by David Rollings Well I really am almost speechless at your gross distortion of history. Which Pilgrims are you referring to be be forced out of the EU. 10 Euroean Kingdoms=the EU , this is rubbish because the EU consissts of 28 nations, it is this sort of scripture twisting that puts us off prophetic speculation over here. So many of the assertions you make are distortions or just plain wromg. I really can’t be bothered on wasting my time on replying to them all. https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/do-british-assemblies-of-god-still-hold-premillennial-eschatology/
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Oscar Valdez we NOW plainly read in the wonderful work by Daniel Isgrigg THAT –
speaker Edward Irving taught that God would restore the true church at the end of the
Church age or ‘dispensation’ in anticipation of the second coming.8 Included in this
restorationist vision was the belief that ‘the latter rain’ outpouring of the Spirit would
restore the gifts of the Spirit, and even speaking in tongues, prior to Christ’s coming.9
One of Irving’s followers testified to having a vision in which the Lord revealed to her
that there would be a ‘secret rapture’ prior to Christ’s return to earth of a special group
of the church.10 This led to a greater emphasis on believers being prepared for Christ’s
coming. Believers were encouraged to be sanctified through the ‘baptism in the Spirit’
in order to be qualified for inclusion in the bride of Christ.11
One of the attendees at the Albury Conference was John Nelson Darby, a disgruntled
Anglican minister who adopted three concepts from Drummond that became the
hallmarks of his form of premillennialism often referred to as dispensationalism.
Darby’s prophetic teachings included the dividing of time into ‘dispensations’
terminated by a period of judgment, the restoration of national Israel in anticipation of
the second coming of Jesus to reign on earth, and the concept of the two-phase coming …
Unlike
Irving, Darby was mostly a cessationist and excluded the restorationist aspects of the
Holy Spirit from his dispensational concept.13
plainly – disp. did not match Spirit outpouring
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additionally Oscar Valdez
and even more from Daniel Isgrigg THAT:
Dave MacPherson, The Incredible Coverup (Plainsfield, NJ: Logos, 1975), has argued that it was one of
Edward Irving’s followers, Margaret Macdonald, who reportedly testified at Albury to having a vision in
which the Lord revealed to her that there will be a two–phase coming of Christ in which the first phase
will be a ‘secret rapture’. However, as Paul Richard Wilkinson, For Zion’s Sake: Christian Zionism and the
Role of John Nelson Darby (Milton Keys, UK: Paternoster, 2007), p. 197 points out, some scholars dispute
MacPherson’s conclusions. Nevertheless, according to a transcription of McDonald’s testimony,
Wilkinson documents that although Macdonald does not use the term rapture, she does declare that
believers must be filled with the Spirit in order to ‘fit us to enter into the marriage supper of the Lamb’
(pp. 262–65).
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Oscar Valdez I will open this and you can @highlight and tag @jose salinas here again as well for more participants to pitch in on our talk as I have touched partly on it many times in this group stating over and over again ANY progresso-disp. is FAR fetched NON Pentecostal
Many moons ago, perhaps before you was even born and while still working on my first doc. degree I had a parallel conversation with your own Dr. Dr. CB Johns and very baptist Dr. Harvey Cox
I drew 2 axioms for my dissertation from our very lengthy and far distant discourses
1. if evangelical means we have NO free will, then we Pentecostals cannot be evangelical – hope you know what evangelical means and NOT just in the US
2. if dispensationalism tell us HS is limited to one disp. era period of time we cannot be dispensational. As Pentecostals we believe in the work the HS through all periods in Human history NOT just one disp. Therefore as Pentecostals we cannot be dispensational which is OK as NO early Pentecostals were actually dispensational and NO declaration statement of faith of ANY current US Pentecostals say anything about dispensations or rapture JUST Millennium #over