Click to join the conversation with over 500,000 Pentecostal believers and scholars
Click to get our FREE MOBILE APP and stay connected
| PentecostalTheology.com
CAN YOU EXPLAIN The disappearing of the dinosaurs and why were no dinosaurs in Noah’s ark WITHOUT GAP THEORY?
Click to join the conversation with over 500,000 Pentecostal believers and scholars
243 Comments
Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply.
Leave a Reply to Steve Losee Cancel reply
This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.
Varnel Watson
Here we go Robert Franzen your last chance in this series to shine as a BIBLE scholar and disprove Gap Theory 🙂
Robert Erwine
they died out over time
Jon Ruthven
Here’s your answer from http://www.reasons.org
Steve Celich
Yom = unspecified duration of time
Melody Cates Kinzer
just my personal theory, I think God decided they didn’t get a ride on the ark
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Too many root beer floats?
Isara Mo
Why crack your head about a simple question like that..
The Teacher, the Holy Spirit has been there before time and is with you and in you (unless you are not of Christ)..
ASK HIM
Varnel Watson
The purpose of the Bible is not to inform us about all that ever was or ever will be; otherwise we would have a multi-volume Bible larger than the largest of encyclopaedias. The purpose of the Bible is to tell us what G-d has provided for us in this life. So the Bible tells us almost nothing about the pre-Adamic period and very little about the post-millennial time period. It may be acceptable for people to speculate about these matters, as long as it is understood to be merely speculation and not to be considered truth. However, such speculation is never profitable to our faith or our ability to obey the purposes of G-d in our lives. Genesis 1.2 contains a very important statement. “And darkness was on the face of the deep”. G-d had existed from eternity prior to this point and what we read about in Genesis chapter one was not His first work. But Genesis chapter one tells us nothing about the eternal pre-existent works of G-d. We cannot say that G-d existed eternally but never did anything until the moment that He created the heavens and the earth. G-d is not a G-d of eternal passivity. To put it more bluntly, G-d has existed for untold billions of years and He did not spend all of prehistory doing nothing, but we are not told what He did do. We are told that darkness was on the face of the deep, but darkness is not a substance; it is not something, darkness is in fact the lack of something. Darkness is the lack of light. Darkness actually has no power (although Christians often think that darkness is a rival power to light). Conversely, light is a substance and is powerful in its own right. This is true Biblically and scientifically. As an example: if the ionosphere were to be covered with some form of a thick blanket so as to exclude any light from reaching the earth, and if all light sources on the earth were extinguished, then we could say that a “darkness covered the earth”. If you then were to go to the end of the fishing pier at the beach and light a single candle, the light from that candle would be visible all the way to the horizon. Only an obstructed view of the end of the fishing pier would limit the visibility of the light. The light of one candle has more power than all the darkness, because darkness is not a substance, but the lack of light. The very fact that Genesis chapter one says that darkness covered the earth means that something was acting as a blanket over the earth at that time. It could be safely said that G-d had not existed in darkness prior to that moment, because where G-d is there is light. Yet the Bible tells us almost nothing about this time period, even though that time period is much longer than the time period that stretches from the creation of Adam until the end of this age. Now we have an interesting fact. What we think of as the supernatural world existed prior to Genesis one, but we are not told when G-d created this supernatural world, nor are we told when He created the world we live in now. In Genesis 1.1 the heavens and the earth are portrayed as being pre-existent; then at some point in His eternal existence G-d covered the earth with a blanket and darkness fell on the surface of the earth. Starting from Genesis the chronology of the Bible seems to trace a period of about 6,000 years. But we know that the earth is much older than 6,000 years and that the light we see coming from the stars has been travelling to us for at least tens of thousands of years. So these elements were not created six thousand years ago. But because the creation of the earth and the creation of the other heavenly bodies are not relevant to our salvation, the Bible does not comment on their history. We can speculate that the evil spirits are the disembodied spirits of beings from a pre-Adamic time period. But we can only speculate about that. The theological assumption is that at some point before the creation of Adam the angel Lucifer rebelled against G-d and took with him 1/3 of the seraphim and these spirits from the pre-Adamic creation. Then in Genesis 1.2 we find the words tohu v bohu, 11 which indicate that a judgement came upon this pre-Adamic race; after which G-d started a new creation with Adam. But spirits exist eternally. In fact a spirit could be likened to an algebraic mathematical ray. A ray has a starting point, which is the time when it is created, but it has no end point. This is in contrast to G-d, who in algebraic mathematical terms is a line. In algebraic terms a line has neither a starting point nor an ending point. A line continues forever in the past and forever in the future. Since these rebellious (i.e. evil) spirits of a pre-Adamic creation are deathless, they have continued to exist into our time period, seeking physical bodies to inhabit. The reason they seek to occupy bodies is because these beings are very limited in their completely spiritual state. Creation is incomplete without a physical state. We tend to think of the physical world negatively, and the spiritual realm as being more important. But in fact the Bible tells us that in the future G-d will live forever with us in the physical realm, after He has created the new heaven and the new earth. 1
Melody Cates Kinzer
Troy Day well birthday boy, that makes sense. I recant my theory about the ark. Have a blessed one ?
Robert Erwine
got to stop with the G-d troy
Varnel Watson
this is from a messianic jew book I didnt wanna change it in the quote but you can if youd like to
Robert Erwine
thanks its a stumbling block /blasphemy in english with the short hand .
Varnel Watson
true – I dont disagree with that though I dont believe God’s name is God buy anyhow, what about the rest?
Isara Mo
Troy Day Be blessed for this lengthy explanation brother.
I believe many people needed it.
I personally don’t have any known facts about the pre Adamic period and I don’t think there is any Biblical explanation about the period so we humanely try to travel back into spacetime and establish the truth about the Pre Adamic period thru evidences that surround us e.g. darkness, water (there is no mention of God creating water…in the Bible), the deep and many pre historic and geological archeological factors….which is really a daunting task.
Hebrews 11:3 says God spoke creation into existence…and I guess this verse is referring specifically to Genesis verse which God says God SAID “Let there be light”….and a sequence of other ” let there be..let there be…” until verse 31 when we are told God saw that EVERYTHING He has created was very good.
The complexities of life around us and in us doesn’t in any way reflect a six earthly day creation story neither is the vastness of the physical universe(not to mention the spiritual) support the theory.
God is eternal has no beginning nor end but surely the whole universe has a beginning….
The Bible clearly states “IN THE BEGINNING….”and goes on to explain what happened in the beginning….ie God created the HEAVENS and the EARTH…and from there downwards the narration is about HOW the earth was created but there is no details on how the heavens were created.Yet you find this statement in chapter 2 verse one ”
“Thus the heavens and the earth WERE completed in their vast array”…
Nothing is mentioned about a pre Adamic race or life from Genesis 1:1-31 when God saw all that He has made was very good.
Pre creation ” elements ” that we find in Genesis 1:1 is not only darkness, but ” void” and water….so the premise is that if it was a BEGINNING then we would have read LET THERE BE WATER…as it was in the case of LIGHT but we don’t see that and this causes us to speculate that something had happened in the beginning BEFORE the beginning mentioned in Genesis 1:1….for how did water or darkness come about?
But as you have said earlier if the purpose of the Bible is NOT to inform us about all that ever took place or ever will be, then we have to accept that the narration in Genesis 1:1 -2 was cut down to size to fit our kindergarten minds (Aren’t we before God?)
Interpretation and misinterpretation of Genesis 1 and 2 is only humane…but I don’t believe in a God who just wakes up and helter skeleter begins to throw light left and right not knowing where they will land…
If a wise man never jumps into a business without first preparing a business plan, without first making a feasibility study how much more would the Wisdom that gave the wise man a mind of that nature of plan and preparation be?
God is a God of plan and preparedness…
Albert Einstein once said that God doesn’t play dice with creation..
I concur.He didn’t create a pre Adamic race that failed, then began afresh…
He would be a God of trial and error not knowing the end from the beginning….
jeff g Tindle
There was no time before He created the universe so He wasn’t here billions of years before!
Neil Short
Who says there were no dinosaurs on the ark? Given the biblical dimensions, there would have been room.
Varnel Watson
tell us all about it Neil We are here to learn
Neil Short
The folks at Answers In Genesis believe the story of Noah’s Ark is a historical fact. They have done the math and are certain that there was room on the ark for dinosaurs. They don’t insist that they be juveniles either. For example, the average height of an adult tyrannosaur was about six feet. Noah did not need to bring in a T-Rex to preserve the tyrannosaur kind. The average adult size of each dinosaur kind would have been easily managed inside the Ark.
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/humans/dinosaurs-on-the-ark/
Varnel Watson
as shown on the picture above or how ?
Neil Short
The picture above does not make any sense.
Neil Short
There is, today, an animal that is very ancient and, if it were extinct, it would be named among the dinosaurs. It is having a hard time not going extinct, incidentally. They lay their eggs on the ground and it takes two years for them to hatch. In the mean time, they are vulnerable to predators like rats.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tuatara&client=firefox-b-1&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8xcuS_qDgAhUE-58KHdwmAVoQ_AUIBigB
Varnel Watson
Robert Erwine just for you and Gary Micheal Epping with corrections
The fact that the spiritual world is eternal is confirmed throughout Scripture and we will not take
much time to explore the subject. However, even science has shown that the spiritual world is eternal.
Because both the Hebrew and Greek languages have only one word that is interchangeable for wind,
spirit and breathe, we can know that to God there is no difference between these three concepts. It is
a scientific statement that matter cannot cease to exist. As a result every time you breathe (that is:
every time you take in wind or spirit), you are inhaling molecules that were breathed out by Jesus at
creation. Every breath you take allows you to partake of the Spirit of Jesus.
William DeArteaga
God saw that Dinosaurs would gobble humans, so He put out a contract on them, and the angels sent in a big meteor.
Rico Hero
William DeArteaga The big meteor that left the Chicxulub Crater and the k9 layer 65 million years ago. It certainly did kill the dinosaurs and the impact most likely would have caused mountains to quake as in Jer 4:24, but I doubt this meteor could have caused the earth to be covered in water as in Gen.1:2. The K-9 layer associated with the impact had no water shown afterwards and a different kind of life appeared after the dinosaurs –the Caenozoic era. Whatever caused the earth to flood in Gen 1:2, had to come after the Caenozoic era. I guess Ken Ham forgot this eras animals on his ark encounter. 🙂
Juanita Pynkoski Craig
Maybe they were gone before the Ark and the flood.
Robert Franzen
If one has the right hermeneutic, it’s easy. There is only ONE world wide flood mentioned in Scripture; that flood happened in Gen 6-8 during Noah’s time. Virtually all dinosaurs were destroyed in that flood.
There were also dino’s after the flood for a short time. The Chinese Emperor had one as a pet. The Inca’s in South America also seen different kinds & both Far East & South Americans drew them on art work, pottery, blankets etc.
How did they survive the flood? Simple, Noah took a few kinds. You know the average size of all the dinosaurs are about the size of a large sheep. Just get a baby male & female & there you have it.
The earths atmosphere changed after the flood. Dinosaurs could not survive their size post flood earth. So they died off.
A question that contributes to this answer is including Why or how Dino’s were so large (the ones that were large).
Rico Hero
Robert Franzen Re: The Chinese Emperor had one as a pet. Really? Tell me more!
Gary Micheal Epping
Monty Python had one too!
Gary Micheal Epping
Herman Newtik never did know what he was talking about? Best to just forget about him. Also forget about exogesis and concentrate only on Jesus.
Varnel Watson
ONE things for sure
CANt EXPLAIN DISAPPEARING OF DINOSAURS WITHOUT GAP THEORY
Gary Micheal Epping
Only if they say God created the earth with dinosaur bones already in the rock layers. But that is a really lame argument, but the best Yec has, since they don’t want to deal with the gap in verse 2.
Varnel Watson
This conclusion should not come as too great a surprise, she says. None of the other great mass extinctions are associated with an impact, and no other large craters are known to have caused a significant extinction event
Varnel Watson
you dont seem to be using right hermeneutic per se
Robert Franzen
Troy Day well Troy – that’s what I’ve been saying to you all along. It all depends on ones hermeneutic.
The real test is how it holds up with Scripture as a whole.
The gap theory takes verses like Jer. 4:23 & uses it for support for the pet theory totally ignoring the context
Varnel Watson
you are still no explaining OP – just talking
Varnel Watson
In Hebrew verse 22 continues, and monster
69
in delicate palaces. This is a difficult word to
explain because there are two words in the Hebrew Bible that some Christian commentators believe
are actually different spellings of the same word and other Christian commentators believe are two
separate and unrelated words. The two words are tannim
70
and tannin.
71
This word also occurs
once in the feminine plural form tanot,
72
which could be the feminine plural form of either tannim or
tannin. In the appendix at the end of this chapter I have listed all the places where these words occur
in the Hebrew text, how these words were translated into the Septuagint and also how they are
translated into English.
The rabbis understood each of the three Hebrew words to correspond primarily to the Greek
word dragon.
73
Indeed the Authorised Version of the Bible
74
usually translates each of the three
words by the English word dragon. So it is clear that the ancient rabbis thought that tannim and
tannin were the same word, or at least had the same definition. Most languages have words that mean
exactly the same thing but vary slightly in their spelling.
75
The variant spelling and pronunciation is
usually a result of geographical differences between the people who use such words (i.e.: the
difference in the spellings of British and American words).
Robert Franzen
Troy Day oh man – you didn’t have to go thru all that: it’s simple – the word dinosaurs was not invented until 1841
Varnel Watson
the 1800s seems to be your answer for everything 🙂
Robert Franzen
Troy Day lol just saying ??♂️
Robert Franzen
Troy Day The Enlightenment though – as great as it was, all kinds of new theological introductions came in the Church
Varnel Watson
groundhog theology came about in 1758
Robert Franzen
Troy Day I wonder how they came up with that groundhog thing ???
Varnel Watson
So the Hebrew words tannim and tannin are interchangeable, and now we must establish what
they mean. In Genesis 1.21 this word is used of creatures that are related to the sea (also in Job 7). In
Exodus 7 we know that the creature that transformed from the rod of Moses had a tail. In Deut. 32.33
the word is paired with snakes. In many other passages the word is used in relationship to other types
of animals that feed on carrion. So we have the image of a creature that lives on the land and in the
sea, has a tail, feeds on carrion and reminds people of a snake. To me the only creature that most
closely matches all these descriptions belongs to the reptile family, which includes alligators,
crocodiles, lizards, iguanas and gila monsters.
The Hebrew words tannim and tannin are translated into Greek as dragon.
76 Because of the
great mythology that has developed in Europe about dragons, we need to take a moment to understand
what this word actually means in Greek. The root of this Greek word is derkomai,
77
meaning to look
at. So the original meaning of the word dragon
78
in Greek means a creature that has very good
eyesight.
In the New Testament the word dragon only appears in the Book of Revelation,
79
where it talks
about a creature who took control of one third of the stars of heaven.
80
The dragon fights against
Michael and against the angels who are aligned with Michael. The war takes place in the heavenlies.
So there is a general idea that this is a reference to Satan (who was an angel of light, a seraph) and
because he takes one third of the seraphim with him in this war, a theory has developed that Satan
was once a co-eq
Glenn Baxter
Troy Day Satan was a titled Arch Angel. The one third were fallen angels and not seraphim.
Varnel Watson
there is NO Bible verse saying he was Arch angel
Glenn Baxter
Troy Day yes He was the favorite of God’s Angels.
http://www.sharefaith.com/guide/christian-ministries/angels/lucifer-the-fallen-angel.html
Varnel Watson
In the Septuagint the word dragon is usually an interpretation of the Hebrew tannim and tannin,
however there are eleven exceptions to this general interpretation. Noting these exceptions gives us a
way of defining what the rabbis had in mind when they used the Greek word dragon.
Varnel Watson
In Job 40.20;
87
Psa. 73.14;
88
Psa. 103.26;
89
Isa. 27.1, dragon translates the Hebrew liv-ya-tan
90
Leviathan.
This word is never actually translated into English. Leviathan is simply a transliteration of the
Hebrew word. The description of Leviathan in Job 40.15-23
91
is very strange; he has fire coming out
of his mouth and beams of light from his eyes (40.18-19). Pride is a shield to him (40.15). This is not
the description of any earthly creature. But the fact that it specifies that pride is a shield to him would
probably be a reference to Satan, who sinned through pride. So the rabbis seem to be saying that
Satan is the dragon
Varnel Watson
This conclusion should not come as too great a surprise, she says. None of the other great mass extinctions are associated with an impact, and no other large craters are known to have caused a significant extinction event
Steve Losee
who told you ther were no dinosaurs on the ark?
Varnel Watson
who told you there were dinosaurs on the ark?
Steve Losee
Gen. 6:19
Varnel Watson
who says they lived all the way to the flood?
Steve Losee
who says they didn’t? We could do this until Jesus returns. I’m convinced they were on the ark (those that didn’t live in the water), and I can’t find a verse that insists they didn’t.
Varnel Watson
how are you convinced they were on the ark – the Bible says nothing about them or anything similar
Steve Losee
Because I also believe they remained for quite a while. The word “dinosaur” was coined in the late 1800’s, b there wereother words for them earlier: leviathan, behemoth, dragon, etc. Most were hunted to extinction, but what would a crocodile morph into if it lived 1000 years (yes, I subscribe to the canopy theory, though NOT the gap theory)? We don’t know. Since the Bible is silent on this, I’m pretty free to find what doesn’t violate it!
Varnel Watson
did you read what I posted about : leviathan, behemoth, dragon above?
Steve Losee
sorry; there have been too many entries for me to read them all; I’ve read various positions on this and agree with ICR (Institute for Creation Research); young earth, no gap. You don’t have to agree, but that’s the way I teach it. 🙂
Louise Cummings
No I didn’t see that. But I have no idea where there the dinosaurs went. Well I know you will think. I’m crazy. I’ll have. To look again. But I don’t remember reading where Noah took them on the boat. Or Ark.
Varnel Watson
In Job 26.13 and Amos 9.3 dragon translates the Hebrew na-hkash
92
which means snake,
serpent, magic, divination, guess, or estimate.
The rabbis also translate the Hebrew word na-hkash
93
as dragon. It seems clear that the rabbis
had the general idea of a snake or a serpent when they translate nahkash as dragon. But the other
definitions of this word (magic, divination, guess, or estimate) have a distinctly demonic character
to them in that these definitions are associated with the worship of idols.
Louise Cummings
I don’t remember but two Arch angels being listed on the Bible was Michael and Gabriel.
Varnel Watson
Gary Micheal Epping Rico Hero I am concluding that Robert Franzen will not post from his book for discussion any time soon. It also appears that after 2-3 full weeks of talking he is only trying to put down Gap Theory instead of actually answering the question in OP without Gap Theory When realizing it cant be done as many before him have tried and failed he starts putting down Gap Theory which is basically answering the question with Gap Theory which is exactly opposite to what is asked in the OP – well, if the only thing he can offer is slander to Gap Theory I believe I am about done listening…
Rico Hero
Robert Franzen Your post responding in point form to the 10 questions that cannot be easily answered without a pre-Adamite and Gap theory is not deleted. It is on another thread.
This thread is about the dinosaurs. You said in this post that an emperor had one as a pet. That is exciting!Tell me more
Varnel Watson
can you Philip Williams
Karl Freels
You don’t know that. Visit the Ark in Kentucky and there i learned a lot.
Varnel Watson
see what I am talking about Philip Williams
Karl Freels
Troy Day oh wow, fell into that trap didn’t I.
Varnel Watson
Karl Freels there was a trap in the KY ark?
Karl Freels
Congratulations, you win
Lyndsey Dunn
What would Dake say? ?
Philip Williams
Karl Freels
I regard Ken Ham as my friend. The late Norm Geisler and I visited Ken and his Ark the week it opened.
I like his Ark, but it doesn’t compare to the original Ark on Mount Ararat that I have also visited:
http://arkapology.com/ark-replica/
Robert Erwine
Ken Ham is a moron when it comes to science .
Mike Albright
Who said there were no dinosaurs on the ark? Your original statement is not biblical, so your conclusion will be incorrect as well.
RichardAnna Boyce
only needs a baby male and female for species to survive.
Philip Williams
Well, the dinosaurs were early birds, (created on the fifth day) but still missed the Ark. in truth, their children the current birds were on the Ark.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Philip Williams huh!
Philip Williams
Neil Steven Lawrence dinosaurs are birds. Birds are dinosaurs.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Philip Williams According to evolution theory. I believe evolution is a “doctrine of demons.“ At best it is only a theory and not proven. There is zero evidence for macro evolution or what they call Darwinian evolution. Watch Ray comfort‘s movie Evolution versus God on YouTube (43 min)
Philip Williams
Neil Steven Lawrence I am not an evolutionist. I do believe that God created animals for adaptation to changing environments. Likewise the birds/dinosaurs.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Philip Williams that’s good to know. There is some minor evidence for micro evolution like the change of the size of a bird’s beak. This should be termed as adaptation not evolution. But there is zero evidence for macro evolution – that is a change of “kind“ or Darwinian evolution.
The biggest killers in modern times were driven by evolutionary socialistic/communistic ideology.
Nazi Germany
Leninist Russia
Maoist China
… all driven by the deadly mix of evolution and communism.
That is why I call evolution a “doctrine of demons.“
Varnel Watson
Mike Albright tell us how the original statement was wrong? Karl Freels has seen them personally in the KY model
William DeArteaga
A big astroid did it!
Neil Steven Lawrence
William DeArteaga if the flood didn’t get them, then the astroid definitely did!
Neil Steven Lawrence
I imagine Noah was a pretty smart guy since he preach the gospel for 150 years! Therefore I think he could figure out with these monstrous animals “called dinosaurs” he could easily take the eggs and incubate them for the period of time on the ark. Then they could hatch after the ark landed! No feeding necessary, no large cages necessary. Since people are speculating here…
Varnel Watson
I cant explain it without gap Philip Williams
Philip Williams
Troy Day why do you need the gap theory to explain 5th Creation/day creatures?
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams tell us how it happened
Philip Williams
Troy Day well, I wasn’t there. But it appears that the Lord was breeding the creatures he made until they pleased him. Maybe he had to cut down their size to get them to fly and sing so as to please him.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams any proof from within the ark yet?
Philip Williams
Troy Day the dinosaurs are in my friend Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter. We don’t expect to find any sign of them in Noah’s Ark.
Robert Erwine
they died out over time
Varnel Watson
because of the flood?
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams how can you explain what they did with all the poo … without a gap {theory}
Philip Williams
Troy Day God’s days of Creation aren’t man’s days.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams mans days are not mans days but God’s days He set them up Himself for the whole creation
Philip Williams
He set the sun to mark man’s days but one day with the Lord is as a thousand years of man’s days.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams but what did they do with all the poo on the ark?
Philip Williams
Troy Day some of the rooms we haven’t opened emit a terrible odor.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams so there is a scientific proof? Did anyone / anything die on the ark?
Philip Williams
Troy Day No evidence of that.
But the official scientific survey begins this Fall.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams heard this many ol times before
Philip Williams
Troy Day from any official or anyone actually involved and responsible for the official scientific investigation?
If so, I would be interested.
Varnel Watson
YES Philip Williams he was the first to post this information many many years ago at the start of this group Seems like years later you guys are just following his earlier research ? https://www.facebook.com/640123439376008/posts/910248515696831
Philip Williams
Troy Day We have analyzed all these previous expeditions and claims, many of them perfectly consistent with our own findings, but none of them from a controlled scientific expedition as the present case.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams well I just call them as I see them
Charles Page
Troy Day Their poo didn’t stink. Stinky poo was discovered by the northern Americans sometime after the Vikings discovered America!
Varnel Watson
many just cannot Larry Dale Steele Neil Steven Lawrence
William Mc Sr.
it is scarely said in genisis 6 chapter; there was giants in the land. to get a good understanding you mus t read the book of enoch. good placed 200 angels over the earth to protect man from saton and his crew.the people of god look pleasing to the sons of god[ angels]. they went into them even the animals which caused mutations some animals grew as high as 400 feet. it came to the point that was not enough food them so they began to eat the people. they cried out to god and in his mercy he sent four of his mighty angels to destroy them. the off springs of them are called demons.
Varnel Watson
Houston we have a problem! Robert Cox Neil Steven Lawrence Larry Dale Steele Steve Losee
Steve Losee
If the whole world joined in requiring the book of enoch (” to get a good understanding you mus t read the book of enoch.”) I’d still insist it’s heretical & unnecessary. The assumption that Jude quoted from it ignores the possibility that they might both have been quoting from a lost source…AND that Paul even quoted pagan poets in the Book of Acts. Being quoted in Scripture is NOT necessarily an endorsement.
Varnel Watson
Steve Losee but Encho walked with GOD
William Mc Sr.
then define genesis 6-4 ; to answer question every body do not have aking James bible and what you are surmising not facts ;and you hae not proved me wrong.
Caleb Backholm
There probably were dinosaurs on the ark. Why do you assume there weren’t?
Wisdom Demilade Ayodele
The gap theory is false and untrue, thought out to reconcile natural reasoning in science with the Bible. If one would believe the as the infallible Word of God, the “in the beginning” definitely shouldn’t be questioned or impugned.
Varnel Watson
why So? do you have evidence for that
Wisdom Demilade Ayodele
I believe it were necessary for us to live godly lives, it would have been included in the Bible. And as it is, it’s just a fallacy.
Varnel Watson
Wisdom Demilade Ayodele Do you have any BIBLE to prove your claim ?
Timothy Harrod
Young dinosaurs would be smaller and live longer, why assume they’d put gigantic fully grown dinosaurs on the ark!?
Varnel Watson
the BIBLE says nothing about your assumption
Kerri Scherban
Timothy Harrod raptors were the size of chickens. We just think they are bigger because of movies.
Timothy Harrod
Troy Day I am not making any biblical assumption. Only arguing the assumption that the largest full grown dinosaurs may not have been on the ark, if in fact dinosaurs were on the ark at all.
Kenny Laatz
…..dinosaurs were probably not hot or cold blooded creatures and so would not have survived in the post floods changed climate on the earths …….
…..God also knew that they needed to consume vast amounts of green vegetation …..which would not have been readily available post flood…..?
Varnel Watson
yes they were look-warm creatures
Keith A. Smith
why would you bring fully grown anything onboard? but especially massive somethings?
Carlos Sotelo
It’s reasonable that they were all baby animals.
Varnel Watson
how long were they on board to grow? – not that long
Patrick Matthew Parisi
100 foot long animals on the ark? Would have been much easier to bring babies and not full-grown adults.
Varnel Watson
do you know how hard it is to catch a baby dino? Just try to cath a baby colt born in the wild and you’d know the difference right the day Neil Steven Lawrence and Larry Dale Steele would tell you that its all in the wrist 🙂
Paul Norman Hanover
If you believe the Bible, it says God BROUGHT the animals TO Noah and the Ark. If God’s doing the work, there are zero limitations here. None. It’s all just excuses that people use to not believe.
Matthew Ellis
Well, old earth creationism would suggest that the dinosaurs were extinct by that time so no worries there?
Michael Spicer
Matthew Ellis and they b wrong
Carlos Sotelo
Old earth creationism is a doctrine that makes room for Godless and antibiblical theories to undermine scripture.
Matthew Ellis
Carlos Sotelo just saying, (and I do mean this in a more lighthearted goofy way) that it’s fun watching all the wild theories YEC folks use to make their reading of one Hebrew word (that literally has 5 meanings) fit. I don’t discount that there are many theistic evolutionists in the OEC crowd, but not me. I can’t see it in the fossil record. I do see an incredibly old earth full of many animals that showed up without warning and disappeared without warning in mass creation and extinction events like the Cambrian explosion, over millions of years. I also see Adam being created outside of the garden, being brought into the garden, working the garden, naming the animals, getting lonely, God putting him to sleep, performing a wifeendectomy, waking him back up and him seeing his newly made helpmate and say, “At long last!”, all in one 24hr time period…..yea I can’t believe that all took place in one 24 hour period, which is but one of the 5 literal meanings of “yom”. No instead if the other meaning of “yom” is understood, then all the pieces fit. The good news is that this is really not a salvation issue anyway.
Michael Spicer
Who says there weren’t dinosaurs on the ark
Matthew Burns
Easy. Genesis Day 5 included the period covering the Cambrian Explosion and the evolution of flying creatures and “gadowl tanniyn” (aka great reptiles, which is your dinosaurs). Day 6 covered the period including the evolution of mammals and eventually hominids.
Those who hold to a young earth creationist view based upon a surface reading and absolute literal interpretation in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary do the biblical text, and the faith, a great injustice.
Varnel Watson
There is actually NO Bible to prove ANY of that
Brice Alan Wilcke
Matthew Burns how would you explain Job 40 and 41?
John Lappin
Same way I would explain Harry Potter chapters 1 and 2
Andrew John Laatz
The atmosphere having different oxygen content and atmospheric pressure would not have supported their little lungs and gigantic bodies, nor would there have been enough greenery or mammals initially to sustain their appetite.
John Lappin
If you think there was a 450 foot long boat that had 7 pairs of “clean” and 2 pairs of all the “unclean” animals on it – all adult size – a male and his mate the bible says – then you are not living in the real world.
Mark Fonner
truly a sad response
John Lappin
Sad that I have to point that out to adults that in a world with many millions of animals you couldnt fit every species in a 450 foot long boar that never existed – or else Egypt would have noticed in their 5000 yr history
William Mc Sr.
you do not study scriptur 450 is the size of a foot ball field and a half three stories high; notice a lot of the species did not come to aftr the flood. the animal that god wanted to be saved came to Noah. just like the people and he let the rest encamp around the ark to block others path.
John Lappin
According to Ken Ham the Ark would hold 120,000 sheep – that is nowhere near enough size to hold all the animals oon the earth in pairs of 7’s and 2’s
Caleb Backholm
John. How do you think it happened? Did God shrink the size of the animals? Did more species appear postdeluvian?
Or what size would the ark need to be, in feet, to be big enough?
Varnel Watson
John Lappin you are imagining the cruise ship in KY that has nothing to do with the actual arc
Alan Parsons
Quote me the bible verse that says all animals on the ark were adult size. Or that there was millions of them. You can’t criticise a story of you don’t know basic facts
John Carson
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/were-dinosaurs-on-noahs-ark/
Chris Krumlauf
Obviously, it would make zero sense to have water dwealing Dino’s on a boat. As far as the others, I’m pretty sure that all animals onboard would have been babies. Noah was smart like that.
Joseph Benhardt
How do you know? Were you there?
Varnel Watson
No – hence we take the BIBLE at its word
Jackson Lim
Noah prolly carried baby animals and dinos with them. dinos were hunted down in the last centuries due to its threat and mere size. There are cultures that include dragons with them. Dinosaur word were invented only last 1841. They were called Dragons.
John Lappin
How can they be babies when the text says a male and his mate
Jackson Lim
John Lappin male and female not so adults
William Mc Sr.
`troy day I can not read your post and prove me wrong I am not a novice I have been a minister for 36 years studing the dead sea scrolls; the book of enoch and other lost books of the bible.old testament genesis 6-4 there was giants in the earth inthose days ; and also after that ,when the sons of god came in unto the daughters of men and they bear chilren unto them ,the same might men which were of old , men of renown.
David Huckabay Jr
The Bible says animal after it’s kind was on the ark, that includes the animals we now call dinosaurs. Though the Bible doesn’t say so, but it is logical that each animal may have been young and everyone fit on the ark. In the Bible there are animals mentioned and described such as livathon and behemoth. Those may have been what we now call dinosaurs. Nearly every culture has stories of what they call dragons, they might have been what we now call dinosaurs. What happened to them? Likely they went extinct from environmental conditions, disease, or being hunted into extinction by man.
Paul Norman Hanover
Read the chapter on dinosaurs in the free pdf or paperback book, After the Flood. Google “after the flood pdf”
Michael Howell
It’s call eggs and babies.
Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock
No not sure. But the Old earth types can’t explain why dinosaur bones have been found with blood still in them and why the American Indians drew petroglyphs of them on cave walls. These things were around very recently. Certainly not “100 million years” ago, like Carl Sagan says.
John Lappin
Be specific Karl and lets examine your claim
Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock
Not mine, but I can read. FB is not the best forum for huge discussions like this, so I’ll refer you to a book. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51LFgwN8viL.jpg
Varnel Watson
Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock well now the Bible does speak of those What does this book say?
Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock
It’s not too well written, but it proves I think beyond a reasonable doubt that dinosaurs were around as late as the Middle Ages, or within living memory at least. It also exposes the ludicrous explanation the old earth’s and biogenesis types are offering for the fact that the Chinese, American Indians and numerous other cultures drew pictures of them. There is also a 16th century grave with a picture of a brontosaurus (?) on the casket. There were no archaeologists around at that time. And then the testimony of Job to Leviathan? There are lots of questions.
Cl Ing
1. Dinosaurs still exist. Alligator, Crocodile, Gila
2. Some Dinosaurs may have been on the arc. We do not know the list of animals.
Hints: Start with authentic biblical and architectural evidence, ignore hearsay, check reliability resources on Creation Science, not made up myths of evolution. Ignore the jackal goofballs as they will certainly lead you off to ridiculous vain tangents.
Emanuel Mullen
You are in the wrong lane! Theology= God; Paleontologist=dinosaurs
Alex Wong
Dinosaurs likely were on the ark… where did they go? They likely were hunted into extinction…
Pierre Desjardin
Dinosaurs existed millions of years prior to your flood story
Madison Willoughby
Answers in Genesis says that the animals on the ark were babies so they wouldn’t take up so much room and require nearly as much food as grown animals. If dinosaurs were on the ark then they got off of it when everyone/everything else did. I read somewhere that several species of animals went extinct after leaving the ark because they didn’t have an adequate food source. To me, this makes no sense; why would God preserve them from the flood only to let them starve afterward? That’s crazy.
Personally, and this is my opinion, I’m inclined to believe that God placed the dinosaurs in the fossil record when He made the earth. It explains why no human remains are found in the same geologic strata as the dinosaur remains. It explains why there are no living dinosaurs today (If God provided a food source for everything else, why not dinos?). Nor, does my position contradict the young earth theory by feeding into evolution.
I’m aware of two arguments people can claim against my position. First, that God made every beast of the field and brought it to Adam to be named (Genesis 2:19). When you go to the Hebrew language to learn the definition of ‘beast’ you find that it means ‘fresh.’ Well, if God placed dinosaurs in the geologic column they wouldn’t have been ‘fresh’ and present for Adam to name. Nor would they have been on the ark which does away with the need for an event to make them extinct.
Second, while Job does mention the Behemoth (40:15) and Leviathan (41:1) these are defined by the Hebrew as a ‘water ox such as a hippo’ and a ‘wreathed animal, a serpent (esp. a crocodile), respectively. Additional references to these creatures in Psalms and Isaiah have the same definitions.
Well, why did God create dinosaurs, but tell us so little about them? In my opinion, God created them to test mankind. Three different times in scripture, Garden of Eden, Job and Jesus in His wilderness experience, God tested people. God is always testing people. Dinosaurs are a perfect test to determine if man will trust what he sees or if he will trust what God says. For example, people who don’t want to believe in God love to use dinosaurs as their fall back ‘proof’ that the earth is billions of years old. When they believe this, it allows them to laugh at the Genesis account of creation which, of course, means they fail the test of trusting God.
Daniel Ho
Ham’s pet Rex is too big to fit inside?
Varnel Watson
still NO other explanation Rodolfo Manzano
Anonymous
Question by Michael Chauncey
Q. How do dinosaurs fit into the Bible account of creation?
A. Sea dwelling and flying Dinosaurs, known at the time as dragons, like Leviathan, were created on the fifth day of creation. Land dwelling dinosaurs, like Behemoth were created on day six along with man. Job 40:15.
Noah took two of every kind of dragon (aka dinosaur) on the Ark. Most fossils were formed very rapidly during the flood. Some dragons survived. This is why we have cave paintings and dragon legends from all over the world.
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-entrance-of-sin-and-the-dinosaurs-the-biblical-account/
Anonymous
Troy Day, there were dinosaurs on the Ark.
Anonymous
The Gap theory is entirely false.
Dinosaurs (dragons) absolutely went onto the Ark. They were young ones, of course, which purpose was to repopulate after the global Flood.
They have since died out or been hunted to extinction.
But there are also the Komodo dragons today. Perhaps they are dinosaur survivors.
Anonymous
Birds are miniature dinosaurs. They were on the Ark.
Anonymous
There were depictions of dinosaurs on Mayan pottery in the 9th century.
Anonymous
OK let us put this into perspective the first set of creatures came from the waters. The scriptures say let the waters bring forth the living creatures . This takes place in the 5th day of creation the day of the dinosaurs and then the scriptures say that the earth was without form and void .this is explained in theology as chaotic earth . All things that once lived in the 5th day had been destroyed . The scientists describe this time as when there was a huge meteorite that struck the earth with the force of a thousand Megaton bombs causing first highly destructive winds killing firstbthe dinosaurs they were closest to the strike and then the earthquakes caused a shaking of the earth then the dust from the force or impact forced dust to block out the sun creating super freezing temperatures . Theology that when satan was kicked out of heaven that God sent punishment upon the earth and shook it violently .this is complimentary to scientific study . But nothing on earth was left alive . But on the 6th day of creation the next set of creatures was made from the dust of the earth . Let the earth bring the living creature that hath life . And we know that the earth was empty at that time because the commandment given to the new set of creatures is to replenish the earth . Or to refill the earth
Anonymous
So the creatures that were on the earth in Noah’s day were creatures from the dust of the earth . The dinosaurs no longer existed
Anonymous
Creatures from the waters are not mentioned
Anonymous
Or from the 5th day are not mentioned
Anonymous
James Martin what about the 5th seal ?
Anonymous
The fifth seal is a different time .
Anonymous
Which takes place during the tribulation period
Anonymous
This is a group that was slain for the word of God and their testimony which they held , they request us God to take revenge upon the inhabitants of the earth . But then God let’s them know that it is not the time yet that there is yet another group that will suffer the same . Vengeance belongs to the Lord
Anonymous
James Martin it does? – do tell
Anonymous
James Martin the DINOSAURS or NOAH’S ARK? Philip Williams
Anonymous
Troy Day the dinosaurs were birds. Their descendants were on the Ark.
Anonymous
The dinosaurs at the 6th day had already been made extinct in the 5th day of creation
Anonymous
James Martin you probably mean the 5-6th seals ? leviathan gator is NO bird Philip Williams snakes too hatch from eggs but dont fly
Anonymous
In the 6th day is a whole new set of creatures . The first set being comanded from the waters , the second set of creatures were commanded from the earth or dust of the earth
Anonymous
They did nit exist in noahs day
Anonymous
James Martin even noah did not exist in noahs day Philip Williams
Anonymous
Gen 1:20] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Anonymous
This first set of creatures come forth from the waters
Anonymous
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day
Anonymous
And God said let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so
Anonymous
This takes place in the 6th day of creation
Anonymous
The mentioning of leviathion in the scriptures is usually a reference to satan
Anonymous
For he is the king of the children of pride job 41:34 in the whole chapter leviathon is described as one creature . Not many .and even in discovery we see that there were dinosaurs in the thousands even millions
Anonymous
So that the creatures not creature . Came from the waters
Anonymous
Leviathon is one creature
Anonymous
James Martin are you saying GOD created this one and only leviathan that could not reproduce – a single among all other kinds /
Anonymous
Read job 41 it tells you who leviathon is and calls him he
Anonymous
All them Bones shaped like a Dinosaurs in museums are fake they never existed the way your taught in school. Sorry to break your hearts.
Anonymous
Abram Lechuga who told you they are fake? Philip Williams ?
Anonymous
Troy Day like I said sorry to break your heart.
Anonymous
well Abram Lechuga do you know Philip Williams found NOAH ?
Anonymous
Abram Lechuga fossils in museums are plaster casts. There is a claim that fossils cant be exposed to air, so they locked up the originals.
Anonymous
Troy Day but no dinosaur poop.
Anonymous
Philip Williams so sorry to hear that for John Digsby
Anonymous
I took this photo in Mississippi museum.
Anonymous
Roscoe Barnes III no dinosaur no dung
Anonymous
Philip Williams I took this photo at a Mississippi museum.
Anonymous
Roscoe Barnes III Mississippi! I am not surprised. 😁
Anonymous
Abram Lechuga Are you saying you don’t believe in dinosaurs?
Anonymous
The scriptures do speak of creatures in the fifth day of creation
Anonymous
i dont read of any dinosaur attacks on towns and villages in the bible.
no ice ages either
Anonymous
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/what-does-the-bible-say-about-dinosaurs.html
Anonymous
Troy Day that they didnt attack towns.
did ya find an ice age?
Anonymous
The dinosaurs were long dead before man came on the scene
Anonymous
John Digsby Abram Lechuga suppose you read Philip Williams found NOAH ?
Anonymous
Troy Day why are dinosaurs attacking villages?
Anonymous
John Digsby how so?
Anonymous
Troy Day i dont outsource. Its not part of the pattern. If ya wanna know things ya take it to God and put some effort into it. Ya dont need to outsource even if the source is right.
When ya have your own solid theology that is.
Anonymous
John Digsby how do you mean? This makes NO sense
Anonymous
Troy Day tell me what you know then cuz the list cant be that long.
its pretty straight forward.
Nothing is hidden.
ya get your doctrine from God and thats the pattern. Christianity 101.
look to yourself when you claim makes no sense.
Anonymous
John Digsby how did get your dinosaur doctrine from God?
Anonymous
Troy Day it seems reasonable to me that if dinos were stomping on villages we would have heard of some nation, somewhere complaining about it.
but ya dont in history
and ya dont in the bible.
seems i deduced the problem.
and while israel was trying to take over Gilgal, pterodactyl flew in and just wiped em all out.
and it seems today, fellow hebrites, that another dinosaur has destroyed another village, lets hope the next one is not yours.
Anonymous
I have it from a good source Jeffrey Snyder that Dan Anthony will be showing at their sabbath service tonight a newly found giraffesorus named afrer Philip – theyVE been debated to call it giraffePhil or sorosolip 🙂 John Digsby may confirm…
Anonymous
Troy Day i was found on the Ark by Davut and Parasut. It was dark.
Anonymous
Philip Williams youVE seen the Hatching too many times I think
Anonymous
Troy Day
Anonymous
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/
Anonymous
Jeffrey Snyder saying it so doesn’t make it so. AIG acknowledges there exists no fossil or artifact evidence of man with dinosaur fossils. But if they were living then, why would God have preserved them if they are going to get wiped out just after the Flood?
Anonymous
Philip Williams, so…how big were the baby dinosaurs?
Anonymous
Jeffrey Snyder bout de size of a rooster.
Anonymous
Young dinosaurs DID go onto the Ark. They died out and were hunted to extinction after the Flood.
The Gap Theory is entirely false teaching.
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess the Flood wiped out the earth’s population. Who was hunting those dinosaurs? Why were they hunted to extinction but not more useful animals? God knows all things. Why would he have preserved them on the Ark if he knew they would be so quickly wiped out?
And how do you know this? By scientific study or by special revelation from God? You know how God will judge false teachers.
Anonymous
Philip Williams I was fixing to tell ya Duane L Burgess is right on this
Anonymous
Troy Day Chapter and verse on the demise of the dinosaurs.
Anonymous
and there were giants in the land in those days and before…. so things got big since the environment is healthy.
Anonymous
but GOD sent NOAH Philip Williams
Anonymous
According to science, which I believe, they were wiped out 66 million years ago by an asteroid.
Anonymous
Roscoe Barnes III those were the big birds that couldn’t sing. God only kept the little dinosaur birds that he liked (declared to be good).