Dealing with DAKE’s Teachings

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Dealing with Biblically-Incorrect Heretical Teachings: Death Before Adam Sinned, Two Creations, and the Other Theological Heresies of Old-Earth Apologist Finis Jennings Dake

According to some ‘Christian’ teachers who have compromised with evolutionists and other anti-Christian teachings on the literal truth of God’s Word about the age of the earth and origin of suffering and death, there is supposedly billions of years of death and suffering before Adam’s sin. God’s Word, which is infallible and true, clearly says that death came into the Creation as a result of Adam’s sin: ‘Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned’ ~Romans 5:12

‘For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. ‘ ~1 Corinthians 15:21–22

God, speaking through Paul in both of these sets of verses is clear, the Creation was ‘good’, and free of death, till by the rebellious act of Adam and Eve, sin and death entered into the world. So if this is abundantly clear in scripture, theologically, as it seems to be, how (and why) would some ‘Christian’ teachers not accept the inspired words of Scripture when teaching about Creation? The fact is simple…these ‘Christian’ teachers have compromised the truth of scripture for the fallible, and false ‘theories’ and ideas of secularist humans (like Darwin) in order to try to make scripture ‘fit’ with so-called ‘science.’ Other than Dr Hugh Ross [http://bit.ly/1MnlO02] perhaps the most prolific of these old-earth compromisers is the late Assemblies of God preacher, Finis Jennings Dake (1902 – 1987), who to this day has a very loyal (almost fanatical apostolic) following in many pentecostal circles [http://bit.ly/1WeUjKN].

It should be noted that while Finis Dake did have formal pastoral training in the Assemblies of God, he is neither a trained theologian nor a trained earth or biological scientist. Hence, any claim to knowledge that Dake makes in his extensive writings concerning the supposed age of the earth, dinosaurs, the state of earth during and allegedly before Creation Week in Genesis 1, and so on, are based not on sound theological or scientific doctrines or laws, but on Dake’s own claim to direct divine revelation. Dake asserts:

‘Torrents of praise began to flow from my lips as I received in measure what the disciples had on the day of Pentecost. It was May, 1920, and I was seventeen years old. I was immediately able to quote hundreds of Scriptures without memorizing them. I also noticed a quickening of my mind to know what chapters and books various verses were found in. Before conversion, I had not read one full chapter of the Bible. This new knowledge of Scripture was a gift to me, for which I give God the praise. From the time of this special anointing until now, I have never had to memorize the thousands of scriptures I use in teaching. I just quote a verse when I need it, by the anointing of the Spirit.’ http://bit.ly/1FZj6Jg

If that be the truth, then everything and anything Dake publishes should be the absolute truth, supposedly, directly from the Holy Spirit. But is Dake really speaking the from and for the Holy Spirit, or he just making an extraordinary claim? Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence to back them up. So, in the light of the infallibility of Scripture and in line with the scientific evidence, how do the claims of Dake stack up? Isaiah 11:2 tells us that the Holy Spirit is the ‘Spirit of wisdom and knowledge.’ John 14:7 and 16:3, the Lord Jesus Christ says He is the ‘Spirit of truth.’ Hence, the Holy Spirit cannot (and will not) lie! Also, remembering from Romans 5:12 and 1 Corinthians 15:21–22 that by Adam, death and suffering (sin) entered into the world, the Word of God sets up a rigorous standard from Scripture for Dake’s claims, how do they compare?

In his extensive attempt at theology (God’s Plan for Man, pg.76) Dake makes the assertion: “The present things on earth were brought into existence in six days after the destruction of the first Creation” , yet in Genesis 1, we clearly read that in each creative day (yom in Hebrew), the context is that of six consecutive 24 hour days: http://creation.com/the-meaning-of-yom-in-genesis-1

And in the 5th Commandment, God directly tells us: ‘For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.’~Exodus 20:11

How much clearer does the Holy Spirit have to be? God created the world in six literal days, God created the earth and ‘ALL that this in them.’ Kinda hard on Dake’s supposed pre-Adamite world, wouldn’t you say?

If one were reading modern day English, there might be some scriptural basis for Dake’s claim of billions of years and two creations. However, we must remember that the King James translation of 1611 was not written in modern day English, but seventeenth century English, and that words since then (including the word ‘replenish’ have changed in their meaning.) Any reputable theological scholar would have recognized this fact, but not Finis Jennings Dake! The self-styled ‘Walking Bible’ goes on to write: ‘The fact that Moses by inspiration said that God told Adam to multiply and replenish the earth proves there was a social system on the earth before Adam, for he could have replenished that had not been plenished before. Some argue that ‘replenish’ means ‘fill’ and not ‘refill’, but this proves nothing.’ (God’s Plan For Man’, pg. 118)

Dake virtually justifies his entire old-earth theology on the word ‘replenish’ in Genesis 1:28: ‘And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.’

Genesis 1:28 in the King James Version (KJV) contains the expression ‘replenish the earth’. Some have used this translation to support the ‘gap theory’, also known as the ‘Ruin-Reconstruction theory’, which involves the necessity for God to re-fill the earth after a pre-Adamic race had perished as a result of a so-called ‘Lucifer’s flood’. Is this interpretation correct?

The word ‘replenish’ occurs seven times in the KJV: here in Genesis 1:28, again in Genesis 9:1 (both times in the imperative), and five times in three major prophets in the passive and causative forms. So does the Hebrew original in these cases really mean ‘re-fill’? But before getting into the Hebrew, we must ask why the KJV translators used the verb ‘replenish’.

“An examination of the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) shows that the word was used to mean ‘fill’ from the thirteenth to the seventeenth centuries. In no case quoted in these five centuries does it unambiguously mean ‘re-fill’. The OED defines ‘replenish’ as having 10 meanings throughout its history: Replenished (adjective): fully stocked; provided, supplied; filled, pervaded; physically or materially filled; full, made full.

“To replenish: make full, fill, stock with, as in: ‘This man made the Newe Forest, and replenyshed it with wylde bestes’ (AD1494); inhabit, settle, occupy the whole of; fill with food, satiate; fill (space) with; fill (heart) with (a feeling); fill up again; fill up (a vacant office) (AD1632); become full, attain to fullness.

The word translated ‘replenish’ (KJV) simply means ‘fill’ in the Hebrew. In the English of King James’ day, ‘replenish’ also usually meant ‘fill’, not ‘refill’. The word ‘replenish’ therefore cannot be used to support ideas about a previous creation, which was destroyed. In any case, such erroneous theories, invented in response to the ‘millions of years’ idea, must hold to the unbiblical notion that there was death and suffering before Adam’s sin.” http://creation.com/the-meaning-of-yom-in-genesis-1

For those Christians who believe in Dake’s old-age paradigm of ‘a great dateless past (God’s Plan for Man, pg.76), or millions of years, must also accept the notion that most of the animals in the fossil layers that formed in Noah’s Flood, had diseases like cancer in the bones of animals before sin, and that God described such diseases as *very good.* A preposterous idea if one accepts the Word of God!

Answers in Genesis CEO Ken Ham writes: “At the end of the sixth day of creation, God described the entire creation as “very good.” However, in the fossil record, there are many examples of diseases in the bones of animals (e.g., tumors [cancer]; arthritis; abscesses etc). Such diseases could not be described as “”very good”,” when in the rest of the Bible diseases are always viewed as bad and a result of sin and the curse. These diseases simply could not have existed before sin, if the Bible is true (and it is). http://bit.ly/1YxpuD5

As far as his understanding of science goes, Dake doesn’t fair much better than in his lack of sound interpretation of Scripture. He assertively babbles: “If the [evolutionary geologists] can prove that the age of the Earth is as old as they claim it is, why disagree with them?”

Apparently “The Walking Bible’s” anointing is waning as Dake blindly commits the ‘Appeal to Authority’ fallacy [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html ] leaning on the blind and unproven assertions of uniformitarian (evolutionary) geologists, instead of the empirical evidence against an old earth supposedly billions of years old.

Dake babbles on: “It is generally acknowledged, based on chronologies found in the Old Testament, that Adam was created about 6,000 years ago, or about 4,000 B.C. Since Darwin published On the Origin of Species in the mid-1800’s, those who have held to a literal interpretation of the Bible have struggled to counter the claims of science for a creation date stretching billions of years into the past. Most of the scientific evidence accumulated during the past century has supported these claims of an old earth.” (Dake, ‘Another Time, Another Place, Another Man, Chapter 1)

Dake should have consulted the latest evidence concerning the questionable reliability of long-ages based radiometric dating methods: http://bit.ly/1LswWtP http://bit.ly/1WeUtli

What should be apparent to any thinking follower of our Lord Jesus Christ, is that Dake is not ‘dividing the Word’ (2 Timothy 2:15) with all of the proper scholarly rigor that is necessary to make such bold claims as he has made. The Lord tests us, to come to Him with not only our hearts, but our minds as well:

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” ~Matthew 22:37

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind” ~Luke 10:27

But in the Last Days, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Apostle Peter said that ‘false teachers’ would come: “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves” ~2 Peter 2:1

A stern warning from the Lord Jesus Christ to all who teach Biblically-incorrect heresies like Dake’s ‘two creations’ and ‘great dateless past/millions of years/death before Adam’: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” ~Matthew 7:20-23

Finis Dake died in 1987, but his heretical teachings live on and are widespread in many pentecostal circles. It is the sincere hope and wish of this author that Dake repented of this sin of heresy, and that all who now follow in Dake’s theologically heretical footsteps think twice before leading other precious souls astray!

Nick Tavani [09/21/2015 11:34 PM]
Ad hominem is the last resort of a failed argument. http://www.reasons.org/articles/animal-death-before-the-fall-what-does-the-bible-say

Link Hudson [09/21/2015 11:34 PM]
Did he believe in a gap theory?

John Kissinger [09/21/2015 11:41 PM]
The two creation STORIES in Genesis is NOT a new thing Rick Wadholm Jr After all DAKE was Assemblies of God long enough to pick most of his teachings while a licensed minister…

Charles Page [09/22/2015 12:57 PM]
I like Dake’s belief in the incarnationl Son as opposed to the Catholic view of eternal son-ship. Although there is perhaps erroneous view intertwined.

John Kissinger [09/22/2015 1:24 PM]
Dake was not too certain in that and some of the text footnotes on sonship contradicts each other. But he is known for presenting this view Biblical (which I disagree with) as it was believed by some early Pentecostal groups along with the oneness position. Nevertheless, it is well known that Dake picked up the sonship doctrine while he was ordained AG minister

Charles Page [09/22/2015 1:27 PM]
Kenneth Copeland seemed to have adopted Dake’s view.

John Kissinger [09/22/2015 10:51 PM]
maybe the Pope talked him into it John Ruffle

John Kissinger [09/22/2015 11:04 PM]
Pete, the author(s) of this article is greatly confused on the doctrine of Trinity and I am ready to argue against his view(s) if there’s interest. Here’s a greatly contradicting example: therefore, God cannot have a body. (This doesn’t mean that one of the persons of the Trinity could not take on, or add, a human nature that includes a material body, as is the case with Jesus who now has two natures: divine and human.) http://www.equip.org/article/dakes-dangerous-doctrine/

John Kissinger [09/23/2015 12:18 AM]
Pete, it was never proven – it was admitted. There was a great deal of trials against ministers at that time. AA Allan was a later example, but during Zion it was a fad. Nevertheless, I am very interested in discussing your observations of reading Dake/DARB since the author of the article obviously has his own theological issues to deal with Ricky Charles

Matthew Lipscomb [09/23/2015 11:40 AM]
Evolution is the modern Church’s ‘Copernican Moment’.

John Kissinger [09/24/2015 2:04 AM]
Pete how do you explain the difference in creation stories b/w Genesis ch. 1 and ch. 2?

Ricky Grimsley [09/24/2015 1:31 PM]
I think everyone should believe in the gap theory. The angel/human hybrid (giants) and the pre-adamite world stuff dake taught is the best explanation.

John Kissinger [09/24/2015 1:41 PM]
gap or no gap there’s a difference between the 2 creation stories in Gen. ch 1 and Gen. ch. 2

Ricky Grimsley [09/24/2015 1:42 PM]
Eating of the tree brought spiritual death but not necessarily physical death for adam has to be removed from the garden so he wouldnt have access to the tree of life. He still could have lived forever.Genesis 3:22 KJVS [22] And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

John Kissinger [09/24/2015 1:45 PM]
is US here the Trinity you speak of?

Ricky Grimsley [09/24/2015 2:18 PM]
I have always thought so

John Kissinger [09/28/2015 12:36 PM]
I have to agree with you. Dake’s so right on this one as well

82 Comments

  • Reply March 25, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    Ok I use a dakes but it is like this,

    You use manure to fertilize a field. You have to know what to use, when to use it, and how best to use it (LoL, I kill me).

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Well said.

  • Reply March 25, 2016

    Kerry Collins

    That’s interesting
    I have a sales matter of fact 2 of them
    I use them sometimes but not often

  • Reply March 25, 2016

    Henry Volk

    Dake’s lists are a helpful reference resource, but his commentary is sketchy.

  • Reply March 25, 2016

    Michael Marquez

    I like the Dake’s Bible. Not that I agree with everything he teaches. But he does have some good material and food for thought on certain things.

  • Reply March 25, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    I still use it. Dake was wrong on some stuff but at least he tried and cared. Most pastors i have known shied away from anything controversial and accepted what they were taught from other teachers. He is definitely someone i would have liked to talk to even though he was kinda condescending from the videos i have seen.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      I agree on the not accepting the train of thought we are handed (and trying it).

      But the dakes Bible is how a lot of “the Word of Faith teachers” got messed up.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      I never got into the word of faith stuff and i only read the dakes bible from like 8-20.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      So you only read dakes?

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      The Word of Faith (WOF) did not come from Dake. It came from EW Kenyon and it’s Pentecostal touch came from Kenneth Hagin. These two are the true fathers of WOF.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Dake never believed in the Born Again Jesus teaching, Hyper Faith or Positive Confession.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Michael Marquez
      I never said WOF came from dakes.
      I said dakes’ commentary was how a lot of the WOF ministers got messed up.

      I have heard Kenneth Copeland and Haggen quote commentary from the dakes and then go slam off-the-rails with it. Off the rails to which start scriptures contradict what they say.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      I know you didn’t. But many think the WOF theology came from Dake and it came from the two men I mentioned earlier. I was in the WOF at one point. What pushed it over the edge for me was their version of redemption.. the Born Again Jesus teaching.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      And yes the WOF may quote Dake because he was a prosperity preach of sorts but Dake never embraced the heretical side of WOF.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      What did it for me with the Word of Faith was
      “I personally heard” Kenneth Copeland say during one sermon that the spirit told him (Copeland) that if he (Copeland) knew The Word the way that Jesus did then he (Copeland) could have been able to do the same thing that Jesus did during His earthly ministry (and on the Cross).
      Jesus did not Know The Word, HE WAS THE WORD.
      That was all of WOF for me.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Yeah Kenneth Copeland is off base . False teacher. Check this link out. I actually have the cassette tape if this. Make s me sick. It’s only 2 minutes long

      https://youtu.be/SxfrYbIz6wU

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      The clip cut off the part that says that God changed from being a failure to a success. That God became a success by giving. Dake never taught this stuff. Who knows where he got this foolishness from. 1 demons chapter 3 I guess.

      • Reply May 16, 2016

        Brent Welke

        Dake’s biggest problem is not the 2 creations, but because he was a radical rapturist. However, his lists of 28 times whatever shortcut sermon preparation. He is a reliable compiler, as long as he doesn’t have an opinion to push.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      No idiot (Copeland),
      The biggest loser in the Bible is the one that goes into eternity lost without the redemption afforded by/through Jesus.

      Copeland has no idea what salvation is truly and actually about.
      None of the WOF do.

    • Reply March 25, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      He has been listening to false spirits so long that he can’t tell the difference.
      There are some prophesies he has given here lately that I am just waiting and watching.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      And Paul Crouch is in the background giggling. I know there are a few good programs on TBN but I think it should be LBN…Lukewarm Broadcasting Network.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Yes I agree. Can’t tell God’s voice from the devil.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Another well known WOF is Frederick Price. He claims the reason why he drives a rolls Royce is because he is following in Jesus foot steps. Link below. I don’t believe they had rolls Royce camels back then.

      https://youtu.be/3BRxgU5ErG0

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      I was told by a family friend that owned a rolls royce that any one can buy one, it is the upkeep that gets the average person into trouble.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Anyone can buy one? I guess there is hope for me. I can follow Jesus now. LOL Crazy doctrines bro.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      I believe God blesses his people at times, but these guys WOF just jumped off the bridge into the deep (over their head) waters.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Michael Marquez

      Amen. Yes, God does bless some with means but when He does it is not intended to live high on the hog. The purpose is to establish His Covenant. Which in NT times means Missions, Churches and other ministries and outreaches.

      But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day. – Deuteronomy 8:18 KJV

  • Reply March 25, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Not now but when i younger.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Kerry Collins

    God’s plan for man is a book worth buying

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Michael Marquez

    Yes it is a good book to own. Has some good stuff. But like anything else (outside of the Bible) you eat the meat and spit out the bones.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Kerry Collins

    After, over some 2,000 plus sermons in 19 yrs as a COG pastor I sure know that’s true, nothing replaces the word of God.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Greg Baldwin

    One of the best Pentecostal works and helps ever.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Grover Katzmarek Sr

    Dakes bible was the first study bible I was given over four decades ago.. I still have it in my bookcase.

    He is so far off in many areas. And yet he claimed inspiration BT Holy Spirit. Really? One that comes to mind is where he said the giants in Genesis came from angels having sex with humans. But what did Christ say. That angels are sexless.

    Unless one is fully grounded in the Word of God it’s best to treat dakes writings as pure heresy

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      I agree with you on all but one point.
      Jesus did not say they were sexless.
      He said they were neither marrying nor given in marriage. “Meaning they are more concerned about pleasing and being with God.”.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Grover Katzmarek Sr

      We shall be like the angels. We shall be immortal and free of all human passions and that there shall be no death. Plus we have no scriptural proof other than that angels are always described in the masculine sense.

      We need to get away from all human reasoning when it comes to interpretation the Word of God.

      As Christ said in Matthew 22:30 he told the Jews YE Do ERR. Or as Adam CLARKE said you are decieved.

      Fake was not infallible even though some of his followers think so.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Did the Bible ever say any were the angels are sexless?
      Did it ever say they are one sex?

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Greg Baldwin

      You don’t know what you are talking about Grover. You are either not Pentecostal are just plain ignorant of true bib le doctrine We

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Grover Katzmarek Sr

      No I’m well versed in the theology.

      But one thing that is constant upon my mind that it seems most have forgotten.

      When Daniel Webster was a US senator he was asked what was the most solemn thought he ever had, his reply was “that one day I shall stand before Almighty God and give an account of everything I’ve done in my Body.”

      Today most act as if there be no judgment if we are covered by the blood. So when I encounter error I respond that those cannot say “Why didn’t you tell me?”

      Some will be nightly surprised come judgment day

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Michael Marquez

    Grover Katzmarek Sr not that I agree with everything Dake teaches cause I don’t. What heretical teachings have you found in Dake?

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Grover Katzmarek Sr

    One that there was two creations.
    That there was death before Adam sinned.
    That Satan was in charge and ruled planet earth. I could go on and on

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    None of that is heresy. Satan is the God of this world. As far as two creations…..thats seems obvious. If you believe that “in the beginning” was only 6000 years ago you have giant blinders on…….to science and to the bible.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Satan became the god of this world (the prince and power of the air) AFTER Adam and eve forfeited it.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Grover Katzmarek Sr

    No. I used to believe in two creations and an old earth. But after studying after Ken Ham (and there are many scientists who agree with him) that I now
    believe in a young earth.

    You say it’s not heresy but I disagree. Anything taught that is not true is heresy

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Heresy
      is the improper teaching of a topic that can effect the eternal destiny of a soul.
      The creation belief really doesn’t, unless they are very weak believers.

      There is much more concerning salvation that needs to be taught and addressed than questionable (theories).

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Ken hamm means well but he is wrong. As far as heresy. Pretrib rapture would have been heresy in the early 1800s but now its just a view we differ on.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Grover Katzmarek Sr

      No that view pre-trib is still heresy. The church didn’t believe it for 1800 years and those that hold that view twist Scripture to their own destruction.

      First Sir Robert Anderson misinterpreted Daniel 9:27. And then those that hold to this view what do they do with the parable of wheat and TARES?

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      I dont believe in pretrib but virtually everyone i know does. I dont go around calling them heretics is my point.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Grover Katzmarek Sr

      Then you might like Gary Cutler and his website Rapture Revival

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Grover Katzmarek Sr

      Precisely what is false teaching if it’s not false teaching

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      Its the connotation of the language used. Its the difference of agreeing to disagree and burning someone at the stake. For instance, I am an “open-theist”. Most people dont agree but some would say i am a heretic going to hell. When you say “false teaching” it implies sinister motives as opposed to just being wrong. At least thats how i would take it if we were talking directly.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Michael Marquez

    Heresy is teachings which go against essential doctrines of the historic Christian faith. Essentials meaning the Gospel as defined by 1Cor15:1-4; Doctrine of Christ (who Christ is, deity, sinless,etc) 2Jn v9,10; salvation by grace thru faith not works Eph2:8,9 or any other teaching which is essential to one’s salvation. Dake’ s pre- adamite teach or Angeles having sex with humans may be considered false teachings but not heresy. Not every false teaching is heresy.

  • Reply March 26, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    I dont see how anyone who reads the bible cant see that angels had sex with humans. Another obvious thing.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Again, your translation of “the sons of god”.
      Humans are considered sons of God as well as angels,
      (Weak, very weak translation).

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      So the giants?

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Giants are giants, that simple. (so the men of renoun – are they the gods of Roman and Greek mythology? Do we go there?
      The fact is we don’t know.
      Saul was a head taller than everyone else. And what of the different men King David and his men fought on occasion?

      Search human growth disorders. There are differing sizes of people that occur from time to time. Are they offspring of the “sons of god”.
      Although there are accounts of women having sex with spirits at different religious practices but I have never heard of offspring as a result of it.

      What about the fruit the spies brought back to Moses the first trip to check out the land. They were huge! Did the sons of god cause that?

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      Every culture has some version “angels” coming down and taking the women.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      And yes i believe angels were involved the after the flood giants as well perhaps not sexually but scientifically.

    • Reply March 26, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Seems like a stretch and twisting of position (but it does not matter for a souls destination).

  • Reply May 25, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Romans 5:12 KJVS
    [12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: This scripture cannot mean that adam was the first sinner. Sure he was the first sinner of the human race and he had dominion over creation so sin entered the new creation through his sin but sin had to already exist in the universe. Otherwise, there could not be the “knowledge of good and evil”. Surely sin entered the universe through satan and not adam and satans dominion was cursed well before adam. Do you really believe that God created the earth 6000 years ago and it was formless and void? I dont get the impression that job and isaiah felt that way.

  • Reply May 25, 2016

    John Conger

    I may not agree with dake on everything but id hardly call him heretical. Calling someone a heretic seems to be the Christians version of liberals calling everyone that disagrees with them “bigot” or “racist”.

  • Reply May 25, 2016

    Rico Hero

    A literal translation of 2Peter 3:5 says, ” by Gods word the heavens were of old, the earth standing out of water and in (surrounded by) the water. ”

    He is speaking of the pre Adam world that “then was” and was destroyed because of Lucifers pride.

    Gen. 1:1 is the original creation of heavens and earth( earth means dry land. See gen.1:10) it was originaly created standing out of water and in (surrounded by water)

    Gen. 1:2 literally says, “and the earth(dry land) was ( from the verb to become, not to be) without form (tohuw, a waste), and void;(bohuw, empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.(Gen.1:1-2 KJV).

    As you can see, the earth, darkness, and water are in existence beforeagainst day one.

    Day one starts with light “and the evening and the morning were day one.

    Going back to Peter, in Peter 2 he is speaking of false prophets and teachers that entered the church and in 2Peter 3 they scoffed at the coming again of the Christ. Peter said these false teachers and scoffers wilfully forgot that the heavens were created of old and the earth standing out of water and surrounded water.

    Even today, you have false teachers like Ken Ham that denies the Millenial reign of the Christ and he willfuly forgets the heavena were of old. He rather preach a False young earth account

  • Reply May 25, 2016

    Rico Hero

    A literal translation of 2Peter 3:5 says, ” by Gods word the heavens were of old, the earth standing out of water and in (surrounded by) the water. ”

    He is speaking of the pre Adam world that “then was” and was destroyed because of Lucifers pride.

    Gen. 1:1 is the original creation of heavens and earth( earth means dry land. See gen.1:10) it was originaly created standing out of water and in (surrounded by water)

    Gen. 1:2 literally says, “and the earth(dry land) was ( from the verb to become, not to be) without form (tohuw, a waste), and void;(bohuw, empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.(Gen.1:1-2 KJV).

    As you can see, the earth, darkness, and water are in existence before day one.

    Day one starts with light “and the evening and the morning were day one.

    Going back to Peter, in Peter 2 he is speaking of false prophets and teachers that entered the church and in 2Peter 3 they scoffed at the coming again of the Christ. Peter said these false teachers and scoffers wilfully forgot that the heavens were created of old and the earth standing out of water and surrounded water.

    Even today, you have false teachers like Ken Ham that denies the Millenial reign of the Christ and he willfuly forgets the heavena were of old. He rather preach a False young earth account

    • Reply May 26, 2016

      Mary Ellen Nissley

      Exodus 31:17 “… for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth…”

    • Reply May 26, 2016

      Rico Hero

      Made. Implying a recreation/restoration and not original creation for the heavens were of old.

    • Reply May 26, 2016

      Rico Hero

      The light in day 1 came from the sun that was created long ago in the begining. When God started the restoration work , the spirit hovered over the destroyed earth (Gen.1:2). When he said let their be light to divide night and day, he re-set the rotation of the earth ( the rotation of earth is how we get night and day).
      In day 2 he restored the atmosphere , the firmament or an expanse dividing the water and clouds or waters above the firmament.
      The 3rd day he restored dry land so that the earth once again stood out of water and restored plant life .
      The 4th day he made (not create) the sun and moon to give seasons (by restoring the circuit of the earth is how we get seasons).
      The 5th day sea and birds. The 6th day animals and man

    • Reply May 26, 2016

      Mary Ellen Nissley

      Only if you start with your assumption.

      But look at the context of that verse you quoted in 2 Peter.

      2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
      2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
      2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
      2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
      2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      Setting: Last Days, scoffers. Denying the promise of Christ’s coming.

      On what basis? Evolution.
      They are saying that all things CONTINUE AS they were FROM THE BEGINNING of the Creation.

      Not from the end of the Creation.
      They are saying the process of Creation continues, without stopping at the end of the sixth day.

      And they refuse to acknowledge the Flood, which was God’s Judgment on wicked men.

      And from this springboard, Peter goes on to speak of the coming Judgment.

      You are twisting Scripture, to suit your imagination. There is NO Scripture that says what you are saying… it’s all fabricated out of whole cloth.

      Much like the Book of Mormon. Inserting human imagination between the lines of Scripture can turn Native Americans into Lost Tribes of Israel!

      If there was such a thing as a pre-Creation judgment, it would have been openly revealed, and expounded on, in Scripture. But it isn’t.

    • Reply May 26, 2016

      Rico Hero

      It is.

      God bless

  • Reply May 26, 2016

    Mary Ellen Nissley

    Too much “I am of Apollos!” and “I am of Paul!” in the church.
    Face it: every single great man of God was wrong in SOMETHING!
    Because every man is HUMAN. We all make mistakes.
    Dake seems to have gotten a lot correct, but like everyone, he made some mistakes. Dake did a great work: far greater than anyone in this discussion. We owe him respect for that.

  • Reply September 21, 2016

    Clint Edwards

    I do not know much about Dake, had a pastor that referenced him occasionally. What is wrong with his ideas?

  • Reply September 22, 2016

    Jon Ray

    ideas? – nothing ! except that all ideas have consequences…

  • Reply September 24, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Lol how can be the eternal son if “this day i have begotten thee.

  • Reply September 24, 2016

    Charlie Robin

    The whole verse says: “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.” – why is he first called Son before being begotten? NIV and others has it: You are my son; today I have become your father…

  • Reply October 21, 2016

    Morry Deed

    Interesting, I’ve had pre-adamite believer friends before. And with the cancer thing they would just say the second creation the one we read about was “good”. The pre adamite world was destroyed along with every living thing ready for a new earth they would say. Interesting anyway.

  • Reply October 21, 2016

    Charlie Robin

    Is there a cancer? Yes, prayer for healing is in order, but so is prayer for the robust blessings of Psalm 119:140: “Your promises have been thoroughly tested, and your servant loves them” (NIV).

    How rich to pray, “Lord, this cancer is testing Your promises in the life of my friend who is ill, but You are faithful to every promise You’ve made to her. May Your servant love Your promises through this time of testing.”

  • Reply March 8, 2020

    Michael Marquez

    Though I don’t agree with everything Finis Dake taught… at he same time, I would not say the man is a heretic. We need to be very careful to label other believers “heretics”! Classicly, a heretic is one who denies the fundamentals of the Christian faith. But in our day, a heretic is defined as someone who does not believe every teeny tiny thing I (you and me) believe, teach or preach. Examples: If someone believes in a Post-Trb Rapture, they are a heretic. If someone does not use a KJV Bible, they are a heretic. If someone does not scream in prayer they are a heretic. If you don’t worship God on Saturday, you are a heretic. The list is endless. Truth is not all of us are going to agree on every thing. But we must hold to the Fundementals of the Faith.

  • Reply March 8, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Gary Micheal Epping Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Michael Marquez seems like NO one with any theological training can call it heretical There are a few things I have pointed to Ricky Grimsley

    • Reply March 8, 2020

      Michael Marquez

      Troy Day We can call things heretical if they are TRULY against the Essentials of the Christian Faith. But I find that so many misuse the word heretical and heresy. To them, it is a matter of not agreeing with them 100% on every single point. And therefore they label you a heretic.

      If there is a doctrine that is against the Essentials, then, and only then can it be considered heresy. Otherwise it is are bear false witness and not judging righteous judgements!

    • Reply March 8, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Michael Marquez which one would you say it is heretical in Dake?

    • Reply March 8, 2020

      Michael Marquez

      Troy Day I don’t think Dake is a heretic or his teaching is heretical. That not to say I agree with everything the man teaches.

  • Reply March 8, 2020

    Steve Losee

    Dake’s Bible is only good for the lists. His wholevsystem isbased on KJV, errors & all.

  • Reply March 8, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    what KJV errors would you point out? Steve Losee

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