Church politics kill more people than guns

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By Church politics I mean the way church leaders relate to one another and to others in exercising authority and determining the way things will be done in church life. The term “church politics” often has a negative connotation – however I am using the term in a broader sense. The policies and ways

Church politics kill more people than guns! Think about it…

We’ll talk about the Church and politics. As a very young, naïve pastor many, many years ago there was a moral issue that became political, people were talking about it a lot. And so I remember teaching on this thinking it’s just right out of the Bible. I should say what God says on this.

Church politics is when spiritual men and women get involved with carnal Christians! OVER

Charles Page [06/19/2015 8:40 PM]
when God’s children become carnal then they are political rather than spiritual church people did.” In the aftermath of the Rwandan genocide, many people inside and outside the country have struggled to comprehend the involvement of. R-wanda’s … Christians could kill without obvious qualms of conscience, even in the …. them), churches should be regarded as political institutions in their own right.

Church politics kill more people than guns | Pentecostal Theology [06/22/2015 4:53 PM]
[…] Charles Page on Church politics is… […] I’m not talking about being a politician for Jesus—the very idea still appalls me—but I admit now that much can be accomplished by understanding the internal workings of church politics. If I were drafted to teach a seminary course on the subject, here is some of what I would include: 1. Make friends, but carefully.

Wesly Raju [06/23/2015 6:14 AM]
My Dear Beloved Rev Billy Graham Grandson, Man of God & Family in Christ Greetings to you in the Sweet Holy name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Soon Coming King, Amen.

Thanking you very much for your encouranging and guidence for your words in my life and ministry, You providing our co-pastors, Church Construction, and Poor children Education support help, Please kindly pray for us above this matter.

. It gives me immense pleasure to write to you. I hope that you are doing fine..I am writing this letter with out most pain in my heart and with tears.

There are 50 pastors under our supervision. For you are being one of the pillar of this ministry I am sharing this to you concerning out pastors. I am preparing and praying the Lord to give me spiritual strength and wisdom to lead the churches in this context. I need your co-operation and support in the Lord. Therefore I request you to kindly pray for all the 50 co-pastors, and congregations We are planning to conduct Crusades in Andhra Pradesh, India, in month of July 2015 through you. OR any Kindly give some dates according to your schedule. It is our honor and blessing to conduct Crusades, Pastors Conference, through you to enlighten and empower our pastors as well as the perishing souls. I need your Leadership, Fellowship with you. Convey our heartiful thanks to you and your Church, family members team members also., and My family members send this prayerful greetings to you all.
Our E-Mail: pastorwesly_kagita@yahoo.com
I close this letter with our heartily love to and you prayers.
Yours in His ministry,
Pastor. Wesly

David VatersMusic [07/02/2015 12:42 AM]
Wake up! Please!  Church politics refers to the decision making process in the church, to the leaders involved and the role they play in this process. Despite the fact its bad reputation, there’s nothing wrong about this process in itself. Especially in bigger churches, you need ways and processes like this. You need more

Alan N Carla Smith Hello! Breaking Up With Your Church Over Politics: The contentious election is a ripe topic for sermons but is sending some churchgoers to the doors.

Bill Wright I’m with ya… A Democratic senator taking part in talks on the GOP tax package says a provision allowing churches to endorse political candidates and still keep their tax-free status won’t be in the final bill.

Coble Webb Ain’t this the truth? Christianity today often forget that the word translated as “church” in the New Testament, ekklesia, meanspolitical assembly. Like the assembly of Israelite authorities from the time of Moses before it, “church” is Scripture’s name for a gathering, political community, with its own law and authority figures. Not surprising

45 Comments

  • Reply February 8, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    Have you heard this one?
    “The Christian army is the only army that kills it’s wounded”

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Keith Day

      I have said some thing just the same ” The Christian Army is the only army that shoots it’s wounded”. It is no wounder that many people will not dare come to an alter for help for fear of what people in the church will say about them.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      We need brokenness to greet them there

  • Reply February 8, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    CIA – Christians in Action (gossiping action in most cases)

    • Reply February 8, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      Church Reporter, for folks that want to know what’s going on but not enough to go. lol

  • Reply February 9, 2017

    Joseph Kidwell

    I agree. It’s why I am part of a Fellowship, but not a denomination.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      You’ve shown me alot of grace pastor “but” how can you be a bishop of a fellowship but not a denomination??? It seems like semantics?

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Joseph Kidwell

      I have spiritual accountability to my Bishop, but he has no authority over the church which I lead. The church which I lead is autonomous and sovereign. We use our own logo and have our own statement of faith. It is strictly a congregational form of government.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      How can you be accountable if he has no authority? just asking I trust your judgment.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Joseph Kidwell

      I am spiritually accountable as God assigned me to work under his leadership.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      What kind of leader can’t “sit you down”

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Joseph Kidwell

      Ultimately, all of us answer to God. It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Joseph Kidwell

      There is more to leadership than the ability to “sit someone down”.

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      Of course but real and substantial threats are good leadership!!! lol

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      You must be talking about leading adults. Do they have those in the Democratic party??? lol

    • Reply February 9, 2017

      Joseph Kidwell

      True.

    • Reply February 10, 2017

      Varnel Watson

      Denominations are mainly republican, fellowships are mainly democrats 🙂

    • Reply February 10, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      I think the Lord did a work of grace in the Bishop he’s not biting!!!

    • Reply February 10, 2017

      Varnel Watson

      Bishop TD Jakes and Oprah are democrats I think

    • Reply February 10, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      I gave my t.v. away when they switched to digital. I don’t like any kind of sin let alone in HD.

    • Reply February 11, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      Bishop Joseph Kidwell can I read your statement of faith? I enjoy those kinds of things. Maybe personal mail or a link? It always amazes me how something so big and great can be boiled down to a few lines.

    • Reply February 11, 2017

      Joseph Kidwell

      type in Greater Grace & Deliverance Ministries and like our church page. Our doctrinal statement is on our church page.

    • Reply February 11, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      How can I like it if I don’t know what’s in it? I’m not contrary honest. Just a thought dummies think

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    William DeArteaga do we just pray against them or do we ban them all? Melvin Shomo Joseph D. Absher Alan Smith

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Joseph D. Absher

    The truth always comes out. But try to remember the Muslims have killed over 600 million in their quest for power. The majority were bladed instruments.

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Melvin Shomo

    I can’t open it to find out what I am commenting about

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Melvin Shomo

      This is what I see on your last comment

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Varnel Watson

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Melvin Shomo

      I for one don’t get involved with Church registry.
      I was asked to join a Church a while back and I can tell you that if I knew that I was going to be used as an open play before the congregation I would of never had joined.
      It had seemed all politically motivated to me.

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Varnel Watson

      mhm

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Melvin Shomo

      I felt that I was just another notch under the Assembles of God’s belt.
      I for one believed in the gifts of the Holy Spirit way before I knew what Pentecostals believed.

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Varnel Watson

      true that

    • Reply February 16, 2018

      Melvin Shomo

      I had spent my first three to four years at the beginning of my walk with the Lord reading my Bible like a novel.
      I had his gifts imparted to me way before I even understood the Bible concerning the gifts of the Spirit.
      And when I had finally started to attend a charismatic church I had shared my experiences with two members with their response being, Are you sure this is of God, you better pray about it.
      What I had found out with my first in counter with other Christians, is that I knew things about his anointing more then they had.
      I became a Christian at eighteen and I am now 58.
      This is me on the right

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    William DeArteaga

    Sounds ridiculous, but could not access the original article

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    snap shot pls William DeArteaga Melvin Shomo link opens fine

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Melvin Shomo

    It doesn’t open for me to explain where it is coming from. So therefore I cannot give an honest comment

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    ok Thanks Joseph D. Absher for the info Seems problem is related specifically to the MOBILE version of FB Here is a direct link for yall William DeArteaga Melvin Shomo http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/church-politics-kill-more-people-than-guns/

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    link submitted to FB debugger – should update momentarily; for right now I will post here as much as it lets me

    By Church politics I mean the way church leaders relate to one another and to others in exercising authority and determining the way things will be done in church life. The term “church politics” often has a negative connotation – however I am using the term in a broader sense. The policies and ways

    Church politics kill more people than guns! Think about it…

    We’ll talk about the Church and politics. As a very young, naïve pastor many, many years ago there was a moral issue that became political, people were talking about it a lot. And so I remember teaching on this thinking it’s just right out of the Bible. I should say what God says on this.

    Church politics is when spiritual men and women get involved with carnal Christians! OVER

    Charles Page [06/19/2015 8:40 PM]
    when God’s children become carnal then they are political rather than spiritual.

    church people did.” In the aftermath of the Rwandan genocide, many people inside and outside the country have struggled to comprehend the involvement of. R-wanda’s … Christians could kill without obvious qualms of conscience, even in the …. them), churches should be regarded as political institutions in their own right.

    Church politics kill more people than guns | Pentecostal Theology [06/22/2015 4:53 PM]
    […] Charles Page on Church politics is… […] I’m not talking about being a politician for Jesus—the very idea still appalls me—but I admit now that much can be accomplished by understanding the internal workings of church politics. If I were drafted to teach a seminary course on the subject, here is some of what I would include: 1. Make friends, but carefully.

    Wesly Raju [06/23/2015 6:14 AM]
    My Dear Beloved Rev Billy Graham Grandson, Man of God & Family in Christ Greetings to you in the Sweet Holy name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Soon Coming King, Amen.

    Thanking you very much for your encouranging and guidence for your words in my life and ministry, You providing our co-pastors, Church Construction, and Poor children Education support help, Please kindly pray for us above this matter.

    . It gives me immense pleasure to write to you. I hope that you are doing fine..I am writing this letter with out most pain in my heart and with tears.

    There are 50 pastors under our supervision. For you are being one of the pillar of this ministry I am sharing this to you concerning out pastors. I am preparing and praying the Lord to give me spiritual strength and wisdom to lead the churches in this context. I need your co-operation and support in the Lord. Therefore I request you to kindly pray for all the 50 co-pastors, and congregations We are planning to conduct Crusades in Andhra Pradesh, India, in month of July 2015 through you. OR any Kindly give some dates according to your schedule. It is our honor and blessing to conduct Crusades, Pastors Conference, through you to enlighten and empower our pastors as well as the perishing souls. I need your Leadership, Fellowship with you. Convey our heartiful thanks to you and your Church, family members team members also., and My family members send this prayerful greetings to you all.
    Our E-Mail: pastorwesly_kagita@yahoo.com
    I close this letter with our heartily love to and you prayers.
    Yours in His ministry,
    Pastor. Wesly

    David VatersMusic [07/02/2015 12:42 AM]
    Wake up! Please! Church politics refers to the decision making process in the church, to the leaders involved and the role they play in this process. Despite the fact its bad reputation, there’s nothing wrong about this process in itself. Especially in bigger churches, you need ways and processes like this. You need more

    Alan N Carla Smith Hello! Breaking Up With Your Church Over Politics: The contentious election is a ripe topic for sermons but is sending some churchgoers to the doors.

    Bill Wright I’m with ya… A Democratic senator taking part in talks on the GOP tax package says a provision allowing churches to endorse political candidates and still keep their tax-free status won’t be in the final bill.

    Coble Webb Ain’t this the truth? Christianity today often forget that the word translated as “church” in the New Testament, ekklesia, meanspolitical assembly. Like the assembly of Israelite authorities from the time of Moses before it, “church” is Scripture’s name for a gathering, political community, with its own law and authority figures. Not surprising

    AND this is wher you come in my friend Joseph D. Absher
    tell us your slogan on purpose drive broken hearted in the comments
    spark the discussion hence the Pentecostal Apostolic power of this group Alan Smith

  • Reply February 16, 2018

    Joseph D. Absher

    Money and it’s corruption drives much of church politics

  • Reply February 17, 2018

    Alan Smith

    It’s sad but does happen, every week! We need strong roots in HIM and not be double-minded.

  • Reply February 17, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    True spirituality is focusing on Him and not mixing with politics

  • Reply February 22, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    By Church politics I mean the way church leaders relate to one another and to others in exercising authority and determining the way things will be done in church life. The term “church politics” often has a negative connotation – however I am using the term in a broader sense. The policies and ways

    Church politics kill more people than guns! Think about it… associate politics with control or Machiavellian manipulation, and therefore we pretend that the church is above it. Jesus, we like to say, was not into politics. He didn’t even try to save his own skin when he could. We prefer to think of the church as a no-politics zone.

    I always had a streak of naìvete about this. I became a little smarter as the years went on, but only a little. Not a political schemer myself, I didn’t dream that some people in the church ate, breathed, and slept politics, and were invariably up to something.

    That was before I became senior minister of a church where each monthly council session was a political battleground. I disliked having to think like a politician in order to conduct ministry. As exciting as it was, I soon tired of trying to preside over that church.

    In the years since, I have realized how much easier my life as a minister might have been, and possibly how much more effective, if I had been more aware of how political the minister’s role is.

  • Reply February 22, 2020

    Varnel Watson

  • Reply February 22, 2020

    Daniel J Hesse

    Politics-hum bug.

  • Reply February 22, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    what is it? Daniel J Hesse

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