Peter A Vandever | PentecostalTheology.com
Link Hudson [10/06/2015 6:15 AM]
I recall hearing a sermon from Allen on YouTube in which he expressed doubt as to whether someone who smoked could be saved.
Peter A Vandever [10/06/2015 6:38 AM]
AA Allen had his problems with bondages….. just like the legalistic Pentecostals did.
Stan Wayne [10/06/2015 6:42 AM]
The guy was an alcoholic to his death and was pulled over DWI on a highway and found with uncounted offering money strewn all over the trunk of his car amidst the alcohol containers.
Peter A Vandever [10/06/2015 6:46 AM]
I cover that in the article 🙂
Stan Wayne [10/06/2015 6:50 AM]
Just read it – like the electricity analogy / there is no way Allen’s death by acute alcohol poisoning in a binge in a hotel room glorified God
Peter – you are a zealous soul / if your Word program does not have spell check I would be glad to spell check your writing / it’s more effective in perfect English 😉
Donald George [10/06/2015 8:18 AM]
I suppose all this was in the papers & on the news back then, but I don’t remember it.
Stan Wayne [10/06/2015 8:54 AM]
I encourage reading the sources of the article – there are many lessons – I feel sorry for the man, his wife and his many confused adherents
Luchen Bailey [10/06/2015 9:06 AM]
A. A. Allen, is a good example how a minister can become so engrossed and busy with what he is doing that he loses touch with the Lord, by neglecting his prayer life. I well remember him in his early days of ministry and the sad report about his death.
Let this be a reminder to all of us that our prayer life with Christ will keep us from making the same mistake.
Peyton Gurley [10/06/2015 9:07 AM]
It’s those “legalistic” Pentecostals that to this day still have power like A.A. Allen had.
Peter A Vandever [10/06/2015 11:41 AM]
I attend a faith church in Manila, Phils
Peyton Gurley [10/06/2015 12:06 PM]
Like word of faith?
Link Hudson [10/06/2015 2:48 PM]
It’s good to keep Matthew 7 in mind. People will come to Jesus saying “Lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils…” Matthew 12 indicates that Satan does not cast out Satan. So it may be that these people are doing real miracles in his name, not demonic miracles, but are still rejected. Even the ‘children of’ the Pharisees apparently had some success casting out demons apart from the name of Jesus prior to or contemporary with Jesus’ ministry. Jesus surprised them with His great authority over demons.
The name of Jesus has power.
It’s helpful to realize that if a man does miracles, prophesies, etc. that doesn’t guarantee that he’s righteous or 100% correct. In John 6, we see that Jesus said one fo the 12 was the devil, a reference to who would betray him. But Jesus told Judas to heal, cleanse lepers, and raise the dead. And Judas helped himself to the money in the box, too.
Balaam normally resorted to divination. But he could hear Yahweh and prophesied some true prophecies. Caiaphas prophesied while plotting the death of Jesus.
There can also be demonic counterfeits to miracles. Egyptian magicians could imitate some miracles using the dark arts, but not all. There was a limit to their power.
Some clergymen, particularly those who don’t think these gifts are for today, teach that miracles authenticated the messenger. So those teachings are floating around. But we all need to be so committed to the true Gospel that if someone raises the dead and then tries to lead us astray from the Gospel, that we won’t follow. In the Old Testament, if a prophet prophesied a sign that came to pass and then told the people to worship other gods, they should not listen.
If someone does miracles, prophesies, speaks in tongues, etc., and gets off in their doctrine, we shouldn’t accept their doctrine. Other members of the body of Christ should correct them. If they have powerful gifts in operation, but fall into sin, we need to correct them as well, in a spirit of meekness.
Peter A Vandever [10/06/2015 3:13 PM]
he context is did they do the will of God, not did they have personal morality. Doing God’s will does not mean you have perfect theology either (William Branham)
Link Hudson [10/06/2015 5:14 PM]
Elijah complained that the people had ‘torn down your altars’. Was he complaining about pre-temple altars or the ‘high places’ outside of the temple where people were offering sacrifices to the LORD after the temple was constructed. I wonder if Elijah had some weak points in his theology.
Link Hudson [10/06/2015 5:14 PM]
Peter A Vandever, I don’t think of Summerall as WOF. He was A/G. I think of him as a Pentecostal if you have to put a label on him.
Peter A Vandever [10/06/2015 5:15 PM]
ALot since he was on the other side of the Cross 🙂
John Kissinger [10/19/2015 2:47 PM]
AA Allen was another mighty preacher who ended up in #SIN and so would many others who do not practice the way of holiness!
Charles Page [10/19/2015 2:53 PM]
seems that many who practice holiness end up in sin!!!