A Speculative angelic order chart Most High God (first Jehovah) vs Christ (second Jehovah)
Can anyone explain this? Rick Wadholm Jr
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:01 PM]
does this imply subordinate role for Jesus and the women in the church?
Is Jesus subordinate to the Father (1st Jehovah) and women are subordinate to the men?
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:04 PM]
Jesus is ‘a’ God and the Father is ‘the’ God. We are ‘gods’ (little gods – heard that on TV last evening) We are made in God’s image.
John Conger [12/03/2015 10:09 PM]
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.What are your thoughts on this?
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:23 PM]
it doesn’t mean a subordination of roles/function/person
Jesus wasn’t an emissary. He did not act as one subordinate to His Father He acted as one equal to the Father.
dynamic monarchianism has Jesus a representative of God “a God” (Gabriel, archangel) he is subordinate to the Father. The Jewish leaders would be accepting of this from Jesus but he insisted on equality with the Father and this was blasphemy according to them.
Any subordination of the son to the Father is a compromise of God. Subordination is acceptable in most Christian theologies (many will say why argue about trivial theology)
However the fundamental faith rest on this trinitarian concept. There are separate functions but the same God. Three persons one God.
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:26 PM]
isn’t this chart Seventh Day Adventist?
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:27 PM]
it could as well be JW
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:28 PM]
it is a modern popular Evangelical view of God
John Kissinger [12/04/2015 1:51 PM]
Man shall not do theology by Google alone 🙂
John Kissinger [12/05/2015 11:19 AM]
Call for Papers: Divine Sonship in Jewish and Christian Antiquity http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/web/apokalypse-edition/open?p_p_id=33&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&_33_struts_action=%2Fblogs%2Fview&_33_urlTitle=call-for-papers-divine-sonship-in-jewish-and-christian-antiquity