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Mark Biteler [03/29/2015 11:19 AM] The last thing the Church needs is someone who promotes their expertise about church growth, yet writes without any consideration of the Holy Spirit and the importance of following His leadership. This is precisely the type of so-called “consulting wisdom” that needs to be eradicated from the Church. It is this lack of spiritual understanding that has brought the Church to the place where it is – a place where the Holy Spirit is profoundly absent from the “atmosphere”, resulting in a severely limited or absent demonstration of spiritual power. Communication skills without the anointing and the demonstration of the power of the Holy Spirit does not make an effective minister. Attempting to create a “friendly atmosphere” without honoring and welcoming the Holy Spirit and depending upon Him is nothing if it is not worldly. http://www.joshuarevivalproject.org/Mark-s-Blog.html?entry=jesus-strategic-planning
John Kissinger [03/29/2015 1:05 PM] http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/249941-5-reasons-church-organization-stops-growing.html
John Kissinger [03/29/2015 1:06 PM] Spirit-leadership resonates with what’s said in the article. The dilemma is that many who serve as the primary communicators in their church aren’t Spirit-gifted teachers. Solution: Make sure that the point communicator has the spiritual gift of teaching, and is actively working at developing that gift by listening to other gifted communicators. http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/249941-5-reasons-church-organization-stops-growing.html
Mark Biteler [03/29/2015 2:45 PM] Again, this is the type of presumptive ministry that the Church and its leaders must avoid at all cost. The article alludes to the fact that Churches should “risk” and “dream again”, but never do you hear, “Ask the Holy Spirit what He is doing so you can partner with Him in His ministry!” No! We hear the humanist point of view again and again that at the bottom-line suggests you can do ministry on your own! Spirit-leadership? No, it is the world’s style of leadership. It is man living in his own mind. Where is the revelation? Who needs another man’s thoughts. Church leaders need to hear, “Thus says the Lord!” How far we have drifted from the truth of supernatural Christian ministry and dare I say, true Christian leadership.
John Kissinger [03/29/2015 8:44 PM]
Scholarship strengthens that part of us that rationalizes away spirituality.
Varnel Watson
It’s been said that everything rises and falls on leadership. Perhaps a more accurate way of putting it would be that no organization will rise above the level of its leadership. If on a scale of 1-10, the current leadership is around a “4”, then it will be difficult for the church to grow beyond that level. Terry Wiles
Terry Wiles
It is true. The leader has to grow. The biggest problem I encounter with churches in the 75 to 200-300 range is the lack of the Pastor training leaders and being willing to take his/her hands off the day to day management by empowering trained leaders.
They seem to think it all has to flow through them.
Number 1 and 4 are the most critical in my opinion.
Ruth Brigantti
Wow so on point. My personal experience were the same. They wanted help but did not want to delegate task to add balance.
Varnel Watson
So do you think seminary degrees should be mandatory for ministers? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/mandatory-college-degree-for-all-pentecostal-ministers/
Terry Wiles
The call of God should be mandatory. Get all the education you can and keep learning. A person of degrees does not imply qualification for leadership but having a better toolbox to enable him.
Varnel Watson
Terry Wiles Agreed! How did you break the 200 range barrier in your church?
Terry Wiles
Later. I am over my head in issues right now. Several plates are wobbling. Lol
Brian Crisp
Good article
Mary Ellen Nissley
Why are we trying to attract people who don’t know Jesus, to attend our churches?
This makes us want to water down Christianity, to where it appeals to the soul in love with the world.
We aren’t supposed to win the world by inviting them to church.
We are supposed to win the world by taking the gospel to THEM, and then, once they are converted, bringing them into the radical atmosphere of 100%-sold-out Jesus followers.