Should Christians use any CBD products?

Should Christians use any CBD products?
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φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20

Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8

They are just physical substances but they open up the Spirit world. Especially methamphetamine. It’s interesting that the Greek word Pharmakei means “sorcerywitchcraft” is translated drugs in English. This is where we get pharmacy, pharmacist. Etc

What about Pharmekeia?

This Greek word is interesting. As noted, it is used for medicine, drugs, or spells. The purpose of many drugs used for depression is to put you under a spell or alter your thinking. They is what they are designed to do. In some cases, this is needed. However, most times it is actually going against the purpose of God for the person.
The word is used twice. Once in Galatians and once in Revelation.

In Galatians 5:19-21 we see the first use. It is related to the use of witchcraft. Paul was very careful to make sure it knew it was related to many other issues of the heart.

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In the midst of sexual immorality, drunkeness, hatred, selfishness and envy is pharmekeia. You can read this as “The acts of the flesh are obvious…. fornication, getting drunks, taking medicines, doing drugs….” Anything that alters the mind is of the evil one. It is the work of the flesh and inspired by the evil one.

Revelation 18:23 takes it a whole new level. While Paul said that using mind altering drugs were of the flesh, John the Revelator takes to the spiritual realm of angels and demons. Let’s take a look.

The light of a lamp will never shine in you again, Nor will the joyous laughter of a wedding be heard in you. Your merchants were once the tycoons of the world, But you deceived all the nations by your sorcery.
The reality is that the companies that make meds and illegal drugs are tycoons. They have made billions off giving people addictions. They have deceived people all the world by their usage of pharmekeia. The enemy, Satan, is inspiring people to profit off people’s addictions and it is deception and witchcraft.

You should never purchase oil’s that have Pagan or Satanic mumbo-jumbo mixed in their advertising mainly as a testimony and to not support their evil efforts. But just like with music we should never allow the devil to hijack what the Lord has created. In Africa the medicine-man (Herbalist) is one of the more harmless of what might begin to be termed witchcraft. In my opinion the line should be drawn when you start invoking spirits or the names of ancestors, etc. in the same way with essential oil‘s the names that they are given may determine whether you should use them or not. People who practice paganism, magic, witchcraft and Satanism use herbs and drugs to weaken them and alter their state of consciousness so as to be more susceptible to the spirit world. The Bible forbids us from doing this.

110 Comments

  • Reply June 24, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    what you say about this Jesse Morrell RichardAnna Boyce

  • Christopher Cole
    Reply June 24, 2020

    Christopher Cole

    I use CBD oil to help with my arthritis. I am not at all apologetic about that.

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      I dont think any of us is Had member whose husband was fired during COVID because the use of CBD showed him positive at his drug test at work and he was fired over it

  • Rick Swengel
    Reply June 24, 2020

    Rick Swengel

    The CBD products we use are THC free, so I have no problem with their use.

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      that is the commercial ad but has not been medically tested or proven in any way except of marketing Lates medical research claims THC may be contained to some % because it cannot be extracted fully It is all up to the manufacturers if they can be trusted at all in the shady drug industry AND there are cases where drug tests are catching it as illegal drug The question is should christians even consider using such drug?

    • Michael Swengel
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Michael Swengel

      Troy Day No it’s not just a claim. CBD products that do not contain THC are not “drugs” as you understand them.

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Michael Swengel no medical research YET to prove this that I can have If you can provide it I will be happy to read Recently had a member whose husband was fired over CBD for his muscles that came on a drug test at work I started reading AND found out actual medical research stating NOT all can be drawn out and in most cases THC still remains in CBD

    • Michael Swengel
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Michael Swengel

      Troy Day In some CBD products, that’s true. Not in all. Please do your research before you start making claims.

  • Kerri Scherban
    Reply June 24, 2020

    Kerri Scherban

    You’re kidding right? You do realize the recipe for anointing oil is in exodus and calls for 9 lbs of cannabis?

    • Brandon Schwieger
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Brandon Schwieger

      Kerri Scherban where does the Bible say that?

    • Kerri Scherban
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Kerri Scherban

      Brandon Schwieger exodus 30:23-25, fragrant cane, kaneh bosem (קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם kaneh bosm) 250 shekels (about 3 kg)

      Exodus 30:23-25 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      23 “Take also for yourself the finest of spices: of flowing myrrh five hundred shekels, and of fragrant cinnamon half as much, two hundred and fifty, and of fragrant cane two hundred and fifty, 24 and of cassia five hundred, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil a hin. 25 You shall make of these a holy anointing oil, a perfume mixture, the work of a perfumer; it shall be a holy anointing oil.

    • Brandon Schwieger
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Brandon Schwieger

      Kerri Scherban I dont see where it says cannabis though? Not saying youre wrong, but I’m not convinced either

    • Kerri Scherban
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Kerri Scherban

      Brandon Schwieger

    • Zach Michael
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Zach Michael

      Kerri Scherban theres no cannabis in this passage. Unless you are trying to argue that cane is cannabis?

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Kerri Scherban This false claim comes from 1936 when a little known Polish Professor, Sara Benetowa (later Sula Benet), did extensive etymological research She presupposed that since the the word “cinnamon” from the passage is derived from a Semitic origin; it is possible that “cannabis” is also of Semitic origin. That’s ALL She made NO claims that the Hebrew phrase qaneh bosem can be“cannabis” On the contrary, the original research and everything else since the 1930s defined as “an aromatic resinous reed plant” which we all know that a reed has nothing do with cannabis plant.

      On quite the contrary φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.

      “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
      Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
      — Galatians 5:19,20

      Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
      “Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
      — Revelation 9:12

      “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
      — Revelation 21:8

    • Kerri Scherban
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Kerri Scherban

      Troy Day According to Webster’s New Hebrew dictionary, the current Hebrew word for cannabis is “kanabos.”
      Thus, contentions that the KJV possibly interpreted the Hebrew word incorrectly as “calamus” warrant consideration.

      “While cannabis is non-toxic (not a single death has ever been directly attributed to it, despite much effort being given to document such a fatality), calamus is most definitely a toxin. The FDA banned calamus from uses in food and medicines in 1968 as calamus contains more than 75% asarone. Asarone is a poison which has been shown to cause cancer, and has ill effects on heart, liver and kidney functions. This toxin in callamus is used for pest control. Why would God specify a large quantity of a poison be used in holy anointing oil?”

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Kerri Scherban yeah you can copy from other articles and so can I but there is nothing there to prove it The polish lady was just plain wrong on Biblical exegesis I would advise to consult BROWN dictionary OR Brown, Driver, and Briggs Hebrew and English lexicon of the Old Testament OR the BDAG/HALOT Bundle from LOGOS

    • Kerri Scherban
      Reply June 24, 2020

      Kerri Scherban

      Troy Day something known to have healing benefits and would have definitely had beneficial aspects with hemp being used for cloth, medicinal, among others, it just simply didn’t exist?

  • Jereme McAlpin
    Reply June 24, 2020

    Jereme McAlpin

    I really don’t have a problem with it if it’s taken for medical reasons.

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      do you mean with doctor orders – prescription? Because right now you can buy it just like you buy olive oil

  • Patrick James
    Reply June 24, 2020

    Patrick James

    my dude, who created the plant?

    • Reply June 24, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      So is poison and lead but we dont see you mooching on them any do you? φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.

      “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
      Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
      — Galatians 5:19,20

      Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
      “Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
      — Revelation 9:12

      “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
      — Revelation 21:8

  • Trena Smith Vanderhorst

    Cannabis is a plant created by God. The plant has medicinal qualities. It can be abused just like any other drug. We need to remember that our bodies are temples and to treat ourselves and our bodies as such. I have tried both cbd and thc oils in small doses without much luck. I don’t think using it is a sin as long as we do it responsibly.

  • Reply June 24, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    I for one am against it Someone made a case for it from exodus 30:23-25, fragrant cane, kaneh bosem (קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם kaneh bosm) BUT I dont buy it as being proper exegesis Do you? RichardAnna Boyce Joseph Kidwell

  • Amy Ramos
    Reply June 24, 2020

    Amy Ramos

    What?! This has to be the most bizarre article I’ve ever read, and I don’t even use CBD. There is no sound theological backing to the article. It is cherry picking a verse and twisting it to make an agenda.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    END TIMES SIGN – church folk be smoking and rubbing on pot and still think it is OK and let them go to heaven

  • Marc Bonhomme
    Reply June 25, 2020

    Marc Bonhomme

    So are all medicines off limits?

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      is CBD medically approved or prescribed by medics – NO

    • Marc Bonhomme
      Reply June 25, 2020

      Marc Bonhomme

      Troy Day It is here in Canada. CBD has all the pain relieving and neurological benefits without the “high” of THC. It’s made mostly from hemp. I agree getting high on drugs is definitely off limits biblically.

  • Orall Burns
    Reply June 25, 2020

    Orall Burns

    Should Christians eat at McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken? Should they eat candy and chips? Should they drink soda pop? Should they watch Netflix and Game of Thrones? Should they listen to Rock n Roll? If your going to ask a question regarding CBD then you have to address all the others as well!

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      probably NOT but none of these gives you the visions while CBD is right there on the border line Danny Kircharr like in many other groups church folk be tripping 🙂

    • Orall Burns
      Reply June 25, 2020

      Orall Burns

      Troy Day vision??? You radical fanatical are a trip. That’s why I love Facebook, it’s like the Walmart and fair grounds of the internet, so entertaining! Who needs TV when you have Facebook 😜

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      oh see Danny Kircharr now I am a rad fanatic for reading the med research and know the issue Orall Burns pls check some research before your comment again

    • Orall Burns
      Reply June 25, 2020

      Orall Burns

      Troy Day I just love Facebook, it’s so entertaining!

  • Raymond Wolper
    Reply June 25, 2020

    Raymond Wolper

    THC is the psychoactive componant of cannabis. It will stimulate the cannibinoid receptors in the human body and trigger the release of anti-inflammatory compounds that relieve pain and anxiety. It will also induce a state of euphoria. CBD is not psychoactive, although it stimulates the cannibinoid receptor system of the human body the same way, relieving pain and anxiety.

    All things have their proper and improper application, even alchohol (Proverbs 31). Don’t get it twistwd.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      NO medical research calls it safe yet It is ALL marketing and cash cow Danny Kircharr had a member whose husband got fired over using CBD came on drug test at work and was fired So I did the research Depends on which company makes the extract but not ALL drug is taken out at all times There is always residue left Orall Burns

    • John Booth
      Reply June 25, 2020

      John Booth

      CBD oil has huge benefits to Parkinson’s disease.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Orall Burns wwax on right hand wax off left hand some CBD oil Read some med research first pls

  • Leo Leeder
    Reply June 25, 2020

    Leo Leeder

    I find it amazing, not once in the headline, preview or in the entire article has anyone defined CBD. Isn’t that one of the rules taught in Journalism 101?

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.

      “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
      Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
      — Galatians 5:19,20

      Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
      “Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
      — Revelation 9:12

      “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
      — Revelation 21:8

      They are just physical substances but they open up the Spirit world. Especially methamphetamine. It’s interesting that the Greek word Pharmakei means “sorcerywitchcraft” is translated drugs in English. This is where we get pharmacy, pharmacist. Etc

  • Reply July 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    HEY NOW familiar faces in this group too – Do you want to pitch in on this one? RichardAnna Boyce Philip Williams Micael Grenholm

  • David Nance
    Reply July 9, 2020

    David Nance

    If you use to get high…then you are a sorcerer in GODS eyes….if for medicinal purposes probably ok…

    • Reply July 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      you should probably stay away too

    • David Nance
      Reply July 10, 2020

      David Nance

      Troy Day a sorcerer is one who uses illegal drugs

  • Gregory Stane
    Reply July 9, 2020

    Gregory Stane

    Pharmacopoeia is the actual Greek, for”one who enchants with powders”…🤔

  • Reply July 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    and there you have it folks

  • Nathaniel Taylor
    Reply July 9, 2020

    Nathaniel Taylor

    Or another twin question;

    Should Christians use any opioid products?

    • Reply July 9, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      true

  • Chester Snavely
    Reply July 9, 2020

    Chester Snavely

    Should Christians use fire? People who make statements like this are compulsive rule makers – like the Judaizers. That is contrary to following the leading of the Holy Spirit.

    • Reply July 9, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      it is not a rule just a question Answer it

    • Chester Snavely
      Reply July 10, 2020

      Chester Snavely

      Troy Day If you make a blanket statement, it becomes a rule. What makes you think you have a right to tell others what to eat or what day to worship?

  • Jesse Campos
    Reply July 9, 2020

    Jesse Campos

    Yes there’s nothing wrong with it

    • Reply July 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      says WHO not the BIBLE in any case

    • Jesse Campos
      Reply July 10, 2020

      Jesse Campos

      Troy Day it doesn’t have the parts that alter your mind and it’s good for older people for pain so you don’t get hooked on opiates so yes the word of god says he’s giving us everything that is good and this also helps children with eplipsy so no it’s not wrong

  • Jason P Sage
    Reply July 9, 2020

    Jason P Sage

    ABSOLUTELY!

    • Reply July 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      church ppl just wanna get high

  • Désirée Sebastian Klich

    Nope

    • Reply July 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      right on

  • Victoria Petersen
    Reply July 10, 2020

    Victoria Petersen

    We as Christians are free, we can use these and still be saved Christians. The question should really be, is it beneficial? Cbd oil really helps some people with tremors or pain. So I’m all for that. But getting high off something is not good.

    • Reply July 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      beneficial? are abortions and euthanasia beneficial?

    • Victoria Petersen
      Reply July 10, 2020

      Victoria Petersen

      Troy Day abortions and euthanasia are not beneficial (you asked) that was not the topic I was referring too. It isn’t even in the same category

  • Justin LovesJesus Dover

    God made pain remedies in the natural earth.If your taking them for pain releif it’s not un Christian.Id your taking it to alter your mind then it is.Becaue we should be sober and full of the spirit.I actually prefer stuff like kratom or cbd because it doesn’t mess you up like modern opiods.you can have pain releif and stay sober

    • Reply July 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      so He did poison too Dont see you drinking it

    • Justin LovesJesus Dover

      Everything depending on it’s use.Even amphetamines saves lives if you use it correctly.And a snakes poison is used to create it’s antidote.

    • Candi Davenport
      Reply July 11, 2020

      Candi Davenport

      Troy Day actually poison can help if taken correctly. Belladonna can be used in several medical applications. Some blood thinners use a small amount of poison, look up Coumadin/Warfarin.
      Rhubarb has small amounts of poison we can eat, but the leaves could potentially kill you. We literally are exposed to poisons everyday, God gave us livers and kidneys to process it. So, yes I do see us drinking it. LOL!

  • Reply July 10, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Chester Snavely I agree with you that using CBD is NOT following the leading of the Holy Spirit.

  • Jacob Ray Guffey
    Reply July 10, 2020

    Jacob Ray Guffey

    I’m so glad I’m not Calvinist. Total depravity has you folks against everything!

  • Candi Davenport
    Reply July 10, 2020

    Candi Davenport

    CBD oil has no THC in it. Even if it did I do not believe it’s wrong. God gave us plants and trees to help cure ailments. That is not witch craft.

  • Karen Bean
    Reply July 10, 2020

    Karen Bean

    Why shouldn’t we? It’s an herbal medicine. Just like dandelion, rose petals, & most other plants.

    • Reply July 12, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      addictive per latest research – comes positive on any drug test at work or police Go figure

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 12, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day not quite. CBD contains minute traces of THC. Nowhere near enough to cause a high. & THC has been proven to not be addictive. So…

    • Reply July 12, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean comes positive on any drug test at work or police Go figure

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 12, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day you already said that. If that’s your measure of whether we should use it for medicinal purposes, opiates test positive on most drug tests, as well.

  • Diana Tew
    Reply July 12, 2020

    Diana Tew

    This question is one of a personal nature and choice. God guides us, not men. It’s just like the rich young ruler… money had him. So it wasn’t good for him to be rich. But others can be wealthy and it doesn’t affect them poorly, they use it helpfully and wisely.

    This type of question is just trying to make rules. Smh

    • Reply July 12, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      oh hello So keep GOD out of your personal business then ?

    • Diana Tew
      Reply July 12, 2020

      Diana Tew

      Troy Day

      Don’t know how you pulled that out of my comment. I said “God guides us, not men” I also said “This type of question is just trying to make rules.”

      IOW… it’s a poor question.

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Diana Tew you said question is one of a personal nature I said that GOD should be all in it as in the BIBLE

    • Diana Tew
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Diana Tew

      Troy Day

      I realize that. But God isn’t asking us, you are. My point is that this is the type of question that is discussed and decided between God and His children individually. The only reason people ask is because they want to judge those that disagree with them. For example: look at the screen shot.

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Diana Tew oh yeah this is the truth A lot of them do You assume I meant high on drug where you are quite wrong BUT anyhow since you opened the door on CBD Here is some new research

      Now this is from your own “fact checking”

      Will CBD Oil show up on a drug test?
      … There are a lot of factors at play here and the simple answer is – it’s complicated.

      #exactly BTW you never answer if you support the marijuana industry by purchasing CBD products I do know however that the gentleman got fired over positive drug test because of CBD – that’s a fact! I’ve never done drugs but as Peter Vandever I do believe that the Biblical pharmakia refers to sin straight forward and that much of the money made support homosexuality sex trafficking and other crimes That’s a fact Question: Would your child’s pediatrician prescribe CBD to your child? Then would
      you give it to her?

      http://www.center4research.org/how-safe-is-cbd/

      https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/cannabidiol-cbd-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-2018082414476

      https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20180507/cbd-oil-all-the-rage-but-is-it-safe-effective

      https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/is-cbd-safe-and-effective/faq-20446700

      Concerns About CBD
      The benefits of CBD are not proven, but the risks seem to be clear. Reported side effects of CBD products may include fatigue, drowsiness, reduced appetite, dry mouth, and diarrhea.[3] Some research in animals has shown that CBD could also harm your liver and central nervous system.[13] Not enough is known about CBD to fully understand how it can interact with medications. Experts warn not to consume CBD products if you are on medications such as blood thinners.[3]

      Another concern is unreliable labeling. A recent study of CBD products sold online revealed that more than a quarter of the products examined contained less CBD than labeled, and some of these products also contained more THC than advertised.[6] Another study found that 9 out of 14 samples of CBD products had “notably different” concentrations than the amount on their label.[6] The uncertainty of the actual content of CBD products may increase risks. In 2019, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) sent four warning letters to the biggest CBD manufacturers, all of whom had incorrectly labeled the amount of CBD in their products and/or had falsely claimed that their products could cure diseases such as cancer and Alzheimer’s

    • Diana Tew
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Diana Tew

      Troy Day

      I’ve never taken CBD 😊 Have no desire to. Did I assume you mean high on drugs? Nope. You said it outright.

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Diana Tew hey if you have a personal problem with it this is another question I am just stating the facts If you wanna discuss the facts FINE if not #movingON

    • Diana Tew
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Diana Tew

      Troy Day

      It’s not a good question Troy. Just letting you know. No need to be offended. Just realize and ask a new question. 😊

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Diana Tew hey not stopping you of getting high Just showing you the warning signs on the way

    • Diana Tew
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Diana Tew

      Troy Day

      Getting high with what?

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Diana Tew exactly

    • Diana Tew
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Diana Tew

      Troy Day

      You know what you’re saying Troy. But we’ll just leave it at that.

  • Reply July 13, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    that is the commercial ad but has not been medically tested or proven in any way except of marketing Lates medical research claims THC may be contained to some % because it cannot be extracted fully It is all up to the manufacturers if they can be trusted at all in the shady drug industry AND there are cases where drug tests are catching it as illegal drug The question is should christians even consider using such drug?

    Recently had a member whose husband was fired over CBD for his muscles that came on a drug test at work I started reading AND found out actual medical research stating NOT all can be drawn out and in most cases THC still remains in CBD

    On quite the contrary φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.

    “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
    — Galatians 5:19,20

    Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
    “Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
    — Revelation 9:12

    “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
    — Revelation 21:8

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day as I’ve mentioned, there is not enough THC in CBD products to make any difference, unless you use a “full-spectrum” CBD product. As far as the 10-stick drug tests that test for THC, there are more intricate tests that differentiate between THC & CBD. Legally, a CBD product can contain up to .03% THC. These tests, however, are more expensive & most companies won’t bother. More to the point, CBD & THC are only now beginning to be studied as mainstream pharmaceuticals because, until last fall, they were both illegal. The US government didn’t allow testing except in government-controlled, government-funded studies. Oddly enough, there is an FDA approved synthetic THC medication for epilepsy. Note the synthetic part.

      As for it’s appropriateness for Christians, dear pastor, I would point you to Genesis 1:29. “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” Past the fact that marijuana is suitable for food, there’s no reason to believe that God didn’t intend it to be used for medication.

      In light of that, as a shepherd, one would think that you would be more concerned about your flock’s health than the legality of their medication.

      If you don’t want to use it, don’t use it. But, don’t make it a stumbling block, either. No one will lose their salvation because they chose CBD or THC over Percocet.

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean yes you did mention that AND I’ve presented latest medical research that what you said is incorrect Just read above where I provided proper sources It is basically all marketing and labeling Very few due the actual medical research It is NOT FDA doctor insurance approved You would not use it on children or pregnant women because it is still additive

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day sorry, bud. CBD, by itself, is no more addictive than water. THC has been proven to be non-addictive, as well. The “actual medical research” doesn’t need to be approved by the FDA for it to be legitimate. Dozens of countries around the world have been doing research on these herbs for decades. &, Yes. Millions of pregnant women use THC daily to combat the nausea & vomiting associated with pregnancy. Oddly enough, research has proven that these pregnancies end with children who test higher on intellectual tests. &, Parents give children CBD daily to combat anxiety. You should probably expand your own study on the subject to include sources outside the US. As mentioned, due to the illegality of marijuana, research has been stymied for a very long time. Unless, of course, your primary focus is demonizing a plant given to us by our Creator. 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean hey I aint your bud but just FYI CBD is addictive You probably wanted to say CBD is NOT as additive as other drugs but still is Just check out the medical research I gave you already and see it for yourself Now pls present at least SOME credible medical sources for your falsified claims pls

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day you didn’t provide any medical research that proves CBD or THC is addictive. I even scrolled back up to double check. But, keep trying, bud. You’ll eventually be able to shame at least one of your sheep into living in pain & depression. Meanwhile, most of us already know better. 👍🏼

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean how so I placed a dozen of links Just read them And even if I didnt we are discussing your counter claim here Where did you read anything you said? Just off FB?

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      click to load and read just how many links to you providing NONE 🙂 need anymore.? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-christians-use-any-cbd-products

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      No. We’re discussing your claim that Christians are sinning by using natural, God-given remedies for any number of curative treatments.

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day there is zero research cited in this article. None.

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean pls read will ya pls ? Portland State study links cancerous toxins to cannabis extract https://www.pdx.edu/news/portland-state-study-links-cancerous-toxins-cannabis-extract

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      I honestly couldn’t care less about “Pentecostal Theology.” Especially when it argues against the very Scripture it claims to explain. 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean pls jsut read pls A March 2017 study published in the Journal of Drug and Alcohol Dependence examined details of a previous study where researchers administered various oral dosages of CBD to frequent marijuana users alone and in combination with smoked marijuana. The researchers determined that CBD had as much likelihood for abuse as the placebo in this study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28088032/

    • Karen Bean
      Reply July 13, 2020

      Karen Bean

      Troy Day have you actually read the study? Obviously not, since it’s exclusively researching dabs. Liquefied THC that is smoked. Nothing at all about CBD.

    • Reply July 13, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Karen Bean I actually have which you have not Now it is time for you to go talk to your husband See ya

  • Karen Bean
    Reply July 13, 2020

    Karen Bean

    Why did you delete our discussion, Pastor Troy Day?

  • Karen Bean
    Reply July 13, 2020

    Karen Bean

    Troy Day please, repost your research here, so everyone can learn.

  • Reply July 13, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Karen Bean what are you talking about? All the links are still there Just click like I already told you 10 times and read for yourself You are sober while we are talking here right? Sorry I have to ask but you seem to be reaching

  • Karen Bean
    Reply July 13, 2020

    Karen Bean

    Troy Day why did you delete our conversation?

  • Reply July 16, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Tim Spangler would ppl who use CBD go to hell?

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