A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity

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A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)

Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 1:07 PM]
Its pretty dangerous to to say that believing the trinity is what it takes t

John Kissinger [09/01/2015 1:10 PM]
the Early Church sure did…

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 3:06 PM]
Yes, I think the Nicene/Athanasian creedal understanding of the Trinity is a minimal necessity for any claim to orthodoxy.

Peyton Gurley [09/01/2015 3:48 PM]
The early church sure didn’t.

Peyton Gurley [09/01/2015 3:49 PM]
The claim to orthodoxy is a joke. No were does the Bible say you have to believe in it just because extra biblical people did.

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 3:57 PM]
One of the arguments rightly used by the Church Fathers was that they were only defending what had been passed down to them directly from the Apostles, and that this teaching was not extra-Biblical, but a defense of Biblical orthodoxy.

Peyton Gurley [09/01/2015 4:02 PM]
Do you know the story of Athanasius?

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:03 PM]
“when most people today talk about Sola Scriptura, what they really have in mind is Solo Scriptura. “Solo” Scriptura is the idea that we can learn all matters about faith and practice using the Bible alone, plus nothing else. If a group or person studies the Bible, and they think they have found some truth, doctrine, or practice in Scripture, then they should believe or practice this idea, whether or not it was ever believed or practiced previously in the history of the church. This is “Solo” Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura, on the other hand, as talked about by the Reformers, held to nothing of the sort. They believed that Scripture should be studied in conjunction with the rest of the community of the Saints, especially those Early Church Fathers who helped develop the Creeds of Nicaea and Chalcedon.” http://redeeminggod.com/sola-scriptura-solo-scriptura/

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:16 PM]
http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2011/09/28/the-doctrine-of-the-trinity-no-christianity-without-it/

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:17 PM]
http://www.str.org/articles/the-doctrine-of-the-trinity-at-nicaea-and-chalcedon

Henry Volk [09/01/2015 4:24 PM]
??????? ????????!

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:55 PM]
A related issue, though slightly off topic, against those who claim that Pentecostal/Charismatic Christianity is itself an innovation outside the tradition of the Church, most of the Church Fathers, and most medieval monastic reform movements, would have disagreed. http://prodigalthought.net/2010/05/16/the-charismata-in-church-history/

Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 6:54 PM]
In all seriousness, how can you say that three persons is not three gods. There is only one god. Jesus is the express image of the invisible, the fullness of the godhead bodily. We are one person but we have three separate parts with three different wills at times. Sometimes your body craves something but the spirit says no and your mind decides. How many times do what we dont want to because its the right thing. When we are really like christ we do what we want but all we want is good. Personally i see jesus as the body and father as the mind and the spirit as the spirit. Three but one. Still only one. Three persons sounds like three gods.

Henry Volk [09/01/2015 8:31 PM]
In the Ancient Greek and Latin the word “persons” did not carry the exact connotations that it does today.

John Kissinger [09/01/2015 10:56 PM]
Volk, do tell!

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:02 PM]
As Henry points out, the term “persons” used by the Fathers did not have the same meaning as the modern use of the term, so we are not talking about three separate individuals, and thus three gods. In Scripture Jesus uses personal language to talk of the Father and the Spirit, and clearly submits to Father and His will. Such talk would be meaningless if we were only talking about a single person who manifests in three different ways. It would suggest a form of split personality in Jesus.

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:08 PM]
http://bible-truth.org/Trinity.html

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:09 PM]
http://www.bethinking.org/god/understanding-the-trinity

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:09 PM]
http://www.josh.org/resources/study-research/answers-to-skeptics-questions/what-is-the-trinity/

Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 11:15 PM]
So in what context is jesus the “everlasting father”Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:21 PM]
In one sense Jesus is father insofar as he is the firstborn from the dead. This does not mean he is the Father in the Biblical sense, and if he was, it would make no sense for him to pray to the Father, and statements like this one, ““Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but thine be done” would make no sense.

Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 11:32 PM]
What is the “father”s name?

John Kissinger [09/01/2015 11:41 PM]
Ricky Grimsley well we know it aint #Jesus

Peyton Gurley [09/03/2015 10:25 AM]
I know Jesus is the Father. I know Jesus is the Son. I know Jesus is the Holy Ghost and all these three are one. Let me tell you who Jesus is. He’s the rock of all ages. He’s the Alpha and the Omega. He’s the Heavenly Father. The Beginning and the End, He’s much more than this my friend. He’s the Son of God and He’s coming back again. Many people today say they know Jesus but they don’t know who He is. They put Him second in the Godhead, they’ve got some strange ideas. But if Jesus Christ created everything and has all power I’m asking you, if Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords, how can He be number two?

Henry Volk [09/03/2015 10:30 AM]
Peyton, how can the Father be the Logos?

Peyton Gurley [09/03/2015 10:33 AM]
The same way He’s the Rose of Sharon and He’s the Lilly of the Valley.

192 Comments

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 1, 2016

    Jon Ray

    Agreed Ricky Grimsley David Lewayne Porter

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 1, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    I say a Christian is one who models Christ (isn’t that why they were named that at Antioch)?

    Now as far as the Trinity and God-Head,, I believe Jesus reference God the Father and the Holy Ghost.

    So if we are following Christ we will too, after repentance through the Son.

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 1, 2016

    Jon Ray

    Well Jesus only people model Christ. Athanasius is proposing A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head. NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)… Peyton Gurley Henry Volk Ricky Grimsley John Conger John Ruffle

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 1, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    With all (due respect),
    Oneness, Jesus only, United Pentecostals are not modeling Christ if they are not adhering to all of His sayings which includes (Father) references, and (Holy Ghost/Spirit – Comforter) references.

    If they don’t or can’t then they are not true followers of Christ thus Christians. (MHO).

    • Jon Ray
      Reply September 1, 2016

      Jon Ray

      They are modeling Jesus only 🙂

  • Henry Volk
    Reply September 1, 2016

    Henry Volk

    Oneness Pentecostalism’s denial of the Trinity is really just a novelty, just like it is with the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s just Romophobia at an extreme level.

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 1, 2016

    Jon Ray

    Not as novelty as one may think. Most nontrinitarians take the position that the doctrine of the earliest form of Christianity Montanists, Marcionites, and Christian Gnostics. Early Christianity eventually changed after the edicts of Emperor Constantine I and his sentence pronounced on Arius – ‘cunctos populos’ it was called. Certain groups emerging during the Protestant Reformation have historically been known as antitrinitarian.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply September 1, 2016

    Louise Cummings

    You are Christians by excepting Jesus as Lord And Savior. I believe in The Trinity. The Lord One of the Disciples if you had known me. You would have Known the Father. It seemed like he was talking to Phillip. I’m not sure.

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply September 2, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Acts 11:26
      And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

      Christian is the term used for DISCIPLES of Jesus.
      Though it is true that all those that accept Christ should be disciples, the fact is that many naming the name of (accepting) Jesus, do not go on to maturing into disciples and in effect can’t truly be called Christians.
      (Just look around at the groups today calling themselves Christians); (Transgender, same-sex, alcoholics, fornicators, etc.)
      Jesus asked if we were going to take up our cross and follow him. He also asked Matthew 20:22-23
      But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

      They are the true Christians.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply September 2, 2016

      Louise Cummings

      Great Scripture.

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Jon Ray

    David Lewayne Porter If you read their literature that’s exactly what they are doing – modeling Jesus only. Would this be the proper Biblical foundation is another question which you have your right to doubt them in. As far as they are concerned they model Jesus only. As far as we are concerned this is not the trinitarian Jesus of the Bible. As far as the Catholics are concerned a non-Trinitarian Jesus is no Jesus at all. But aint no Catholics, right? Pope

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 2, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    My stance Bro Jon Ray
    Is that if they do not recognize the God-Head Trinity,
    I doubt they can truly (model) Jesus, the Jesus of the Scripture. I submit that is another – any other Jesus, a Jesus that does not eternally exist in unity with the Father and Comforter.

    Just MHO.

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Jon Ray

    You are right about this one. Is modeling a non-Trinitarian Christ modeling Christ at all? A very good question for Jesus only people

  • John Conger
    Reply September 2, 2016

    John Conger

    This argument didn’t make any sense to me. He is the express image of the God head. If we’ve seen him we’ve seen the Father. And the Holy Spirit is the spirit of Christ. How is modelling Jesus not also modelling the Father and Spirit

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 2, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    Ricky Grimsley
    Why is there a need for the God-Head if Jesus models it all?
    Why did Jesus submit to The Father if He models it all? Why was Jesus delusional in Gethsemane and on the cross while talking to a non-existent being (or another part of himself)?

    Why,?,
    Even the best question yet
    Did the Pharisees want to kill Him for coming from Himself? Why didn’t He just tell them that (I AM GOD),?.
    No He said He was From God – The Father, we are told equal with God.
    1 Peter chapter 1 is excellent showing us Jesus AND The Father.

    Jesus also modeled submission to God (The Father ) which “Jesus only’s” can’t model?
    That point in itself voids the entire discussion.

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  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 2, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Jon Ray

    All questions Jesus-only people always ask 🙂 The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean.

    In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek theion, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to Greeks, used the term in reference to the only true God.

    In Romans 1, Paul begins to make the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20 he says, “The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power, as well as His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world makes manifest the divine nature of God.

    Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 2, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    Let’s not overlook the plurality of several of God’s names.

  • John Conger
    Reply September 2, 2016

    John Conger

    What attribute of the Father do you believe we should model that is not found in the son?

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply September 2, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Do you believe that Jesus expressed ALL of the Father in his human form?
      The question is not what attribute of the Father (if any) …. is not found within the son.
      The question is if all was included within the Son why would there be a Father and Holy Spirit?

      (Don’t get me wrong, I believe that Jesus showed us what we need to be saved and live victorious and fruitful here. I also believe He showed us all we needed to make it to our eternal reward.

      But I also realize there is a need for The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.
      In verses like Ephesians 3:14-19
      For this cause I bow my knees unto

      “the Father”

      of our Lord Jesus Christ,
      Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

    • John Conger
      Reply September 2, 2016

      John Conger

      Of course I believe there is a distinction but the question here is in the modelling of a communicable attribute. What could we possibly model?

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply September 2, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      John, My issue (personal issue) is that the (Jesus only, Oneness, United Pentecostals) that my wife and I have known do “model” Jesus – and they do an excellent job of that
      [[[except]]] Jesus lifted up the Father. The ones we have known personally do not just exalt Jesus,
      BUT they go out of their way to make sure they
      lessen and talk down
      THE FATHER
      and
      THE HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST.

      Jesus never did that.
      So how then is that modeling the
      TRUE JESUS?

    • John Conger
      Reply September 2, 2016

      John Conger

      I agree with that

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Jon Ray

    The word Elohim is the plural of El (or possibly of Eloah) and is the first name for God given. Genesis 1:26 “Then God said (singular verb), ‘Let us make (plural verb) man in our image, after our likeness'”, but there some say Elohim is singular. And so what?

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply September 2, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      And
      So
      What,,
      So much for Jesus only.

      Ephesians 3:14-19
      For this cause I bow my knees unto
      “the Father”
      of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
      John 1:14
      And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
      Or
      John 1:12
      But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
      But then how would this be possible as sons of God?
      Romans 8:14-19
      For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

      Sons of God,
      Heirs of the Father
      Joint heirs of the Son

      So sons of, heirs of, joint heirs with,,,
      The same person?

      That would be
      So
      What..

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Elohim is used of many spirit beings. There is only one jehovah elohim though. Is not every time that God is seen…..is it not Jesus? For he is the express image of the invisible. Personally i feel the trinity is more like body, soul, and spirit. In the beginning God created…..but we also know that it was jesus?

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply September 2, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      Theophanies were not necessarily (just Jesus).
      Some believe that the Old Testament references to “The Angel of The Lord” was actually Jesus and not an actual angel.

      Yes Jesus is the expressed image of the Invisible. Yet, at this time (only in part, not in fulness and completeness).

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Jon Ray

    So does this mean Jesus-only people shall not be saved?

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply September 2, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    Depends on if they accept the redeeming work of Christ.
    The only thing that can keep them out of God’s eternal kingdom after that is Blasphemy of The Holy Ghost (but how can they blasphem who they disallow or do not fully understand)?

  • Jon Ray
    Reply September 2, 2016

    Jon Ray

    Well from what they are saying that’s exactly what they are accepting – the the redeeming work of Christ Jesus – only. With only difference their Jesus is not quite trinitarian…

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply September 2, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      My wife dated and was engaged to a Jesus only.
      The differences are more and deeper than that.
      That is why they broke up (one of the main reasons).

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Troy Day

    Michel Gutman How would you comment this stand of the Early Church

    A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
    Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
    NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)

  • Michel Gutman
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Michel Gutman

    I’m not going to respond to a commentary. I’ll be happy to talk about scripture…. The “Athanasian Creed” isn’t in my Bible…

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      But the Athanasian Creed is based ON the Bible. Athanasius did defend the biblical, apostolic teaching on this issue. Arius, on the other hand, dismissed John 8:58 and made Jesus a mere man.

    • Angel Ruiz
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Angel Ruiz

      Its not in the bible…. But does it contradict the bible?

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      //Troy Day Michel Gutman How would you comment this stand of the Early Church

      A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
      Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
      NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed) Yesterday at 4:56pm//

      Well there is the early church, defined by creeds, and there is an earlier church. Not sure you can find such a statement in the first 100 years.

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Troy Day

    NO problem Michel Gutman Here it is 1 Jn 5:7 ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσι Walter Polasik

  • Michel Gutman
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Michel Gutman

    The best thing for me to do right now is remove myself from this conversation. Have a good day.

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      The better for you to do is to patiently listen and learn Scripture. That’s what I’m here for as well. I don’t have a corner on everything and the brethren here mention things that may be new to me or that I hadn’t considered. If we debate, it’s always on the basis of God’s Word.

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Troy Day

    Walter Polasik Metzger’s committee never fully discharged of 1 Jn 5:7 ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσι regarldes of Desiderius Erasmus poor findings on the actual sources

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Noted. I’ll have to do a little more research on that. Metzger is a good authority. It’s a shame Dr. Bart Erhman constantly refers to him as if he upheld Erhman’s views. He doesn’t. Thanx.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Troy Day

      I am firmly NA/UBS and totally against Textus Receptus HOWEVER it constituted the translation-base for the original German Luther Bible, the translation of the New Testament into English by William Tyndale, the King James Version, the Spanish Reina-Valera translation, the Russian Synodal Bible and most Reformation-era New Testament translations throughout Western and Central Europe – that is 1 Jn 5:7 included in all of them

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Troy Day Erm, Troy, my brotha,…why would you say you’re AGAINST Textus Receptus? That’s a strange position to hold. Receptus and the Majority Text (which you cited) are the best manuscript sources. It’s the “Critical Text” and manuscripts that the NIV and some other modern translations use that are the dangerous ones (Vaticanus and Siniaticus, specifically). That’s where the major contradictions and omissions are. (And no, I’m not a KJV-onlyist either. Nor do I subscribe to baseless theories like Gail Riplinger’s or Peter Ruckman’s. I’ve done my homework on these issues…because a decade back I WAS a KJV-onlyist. This was one of the issues that taught me to do careful research and homework. I also learned much by looking at the who New World Translation issue of the JW’s).

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Troy Day

      There are many reasons for that Mainly too many later editions that have no MSS backup. But pls note I was speaking to the original TR by Erasmus where even the title had an error and read Novum Instrumentum instead of Testamentum – too many man made additions and errors. Way too many for a single textual tradition I do not approve of NIV NLT or later deviations However the NA/UBS text is a scholarly standard and I’ve worked with it enough to respect the work behind it Why is Siniaticus so dangerous to you personally ?

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Troy Day I hadn’t heard anything about the title being wrong. I HAD heard about a closing remainder of the Book of Revelation being missing, necessitating a hasty translation from Jerome’s Vulgate.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Troy Day

      Oh brother come on 🙂 Over 1500 errors in TR have been corrected alone since and not even by the critical readers of TR – read the first 2 words 🙂

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      It translates to “A New general work by Erasmus of Rotterdam” (omne is the word for “general” or “compendium’).

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Troy Day

      Actually the literal Translation means – A new tool Latin word for work is opus

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Troy Day

    Walter Polasik per the picture above

    NOVVM IN
    strumentia omne

    vs

    NOVVM TEST
    amentia omne 🙂 You can see the later changes here
    https://archive.org/details/novumtestamentum00eras

  • Mark Walker
    Reply May 20, 2017

    Mark Walker

    I am deeply trinitarian ..that being said I have modalist , oneness friends…most of the time the difference in our views are not much more than semantics..now the UPC does go a little far with tongues issue ..that being said I enjoy Phillips, Dean and Craig and many of us sing their songs. I liked TD Jake’s even when he was still oneness..

    But in the end there is a big difference between a person or a title or mode …

    I think oneness people have the essence part down and the trust and put their life into Christ….

    I don’t know if I’m ready to say they are not Christians ..more like misguided trinitarians ..haha

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      The danger with the UPCI modalists is somewhat different than that of other Unitarians or modalists. This is because the UPCI claims that their doctrine was gotten by “special revelation” as if really from God. The truth is, it is arrived at by faulty reasoning and they continue to use faulty reasoning to defend it. How sad that they ascribe to the activity of the Holy Spirit a doctrine that denies His own personhood! It’s a slap in the face of all Christians who really do believe in the operation of the gifts of the Spirit and in the use of dreams, visions etc. But then, that’s why we have cult leaders like Joseph Smith who attributed HIS false system to “modern revelation” as well. The issue is not, “Does God still speak through dreams and vision”. The issues is, “Is what is presented consistent with the previous teaching and character of God that He has revealed”?

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      I’ve studied Trinity vs. Oneness for years. So I can argue either side as long as I am willing to ignore certain conflicting verses. 🙂

      In the end I felt God tell me that out of love and respect for my Oneness brothers I am to limit my descriptions of God to biblical terms and that if I’m not comfortable doing that to keep studying till I am.

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Wayne Scott Well, the truth of the matter is that Oneness theology doesn’t have a biblical leg to stand on. It’s not just that they use one set of verses and ignore others. Even the ones they use are bent and twisted out of shape. Sorry, there are SOME doctrines, like Calvinism, that you can use SOME biblical verses for and get away with it. Modalistic Unitarianism isn’t one of those doctrines. Usually, when I talk to a modalist, he either quiets down and examines the Scriptures I show him or he walks away fuming and angry. But the text is the text, case closed. The same can be said for Cessationism. Chapter and verse, no theorizing and making things up. If the Bible don’t say it, I don’t obey it. 😉

    • Mark Walker
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Mark Walker

      Well I do agree with Walter on the person hood of the Holy Spirit

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Do you understand what is meant by,

      II cor 3
      17Now the Lord is the Spirit…

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Or by,

      I Cor 15
      45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      I recently found those. But for years I’ve pondered, “His name shall be called…Everlasting Father.”

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Jesus said the HS will come. Describing the same event He also said He will return to us.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      “You have one teacher, the Christ” and “When the HS comes He will teach you all things…”

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      But then, again, the Father said He would put His words in Jesus’ mouth (Deut 18:18-19) and called Jesus a prophet like Moses.

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Wayne Scott Ok, and your point being? . . . .

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      After years of trying to determine if God was Trinity or Oneness, I gave up in frustration conceding defeat. I was frustrated that I could not fully understand God.

      But then I laughed at myself. If I could fully understand God He would not be God. I can no more fully understand God than the ant on the computer screen can understand the internet.

    • Mark Walker
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Mark Walker

      Well they are all equally God..Jesus physical body had to go away so that the Spirit could indwell US..not just be among us..but the only place for me that makes I real real distinction is the blasphemy part..

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Wayne Scott And that’s the way it should be. However, at least those things that God HAS revealed to us, He’s made clear for us to understand. (Deut. 29:29; Rom. 1: 19,20).

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Mark. I think about blasphemy, Jesus is saying that we can talk bad about Him as a person but not disobey the HS. Blasphemy is in the present continual sense and means to continue to disobey. “Those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      We have all at one time disobeyed (blasphemed) the HS.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Walter, I know Romans 1 and will read Deut 29 right now.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Nothing in either says we must understand the Trinity to be saved. But I do not think that is what you were saying.

      We must know God but here is what I think that means:

      jer 22
      15“Does it make you a king
      to have more and more cedar?
      Did not your father have food and drink?
      He did what was right and just,
      so all went well with him.
      16He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
      and so all went well.
      Is that not what it means to know me?”

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Wayne Scott The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit mentioned by Jesus in Matt. 12:31,32 has to do with someone who sees evidence of the work of the Holy Spirit and yet attributes this to Satan, as the Pharisees were doing. Really, the only ones capable of committing this sin are Christians who are in rebellion against the work of the Holy Spirit. This is why it was so dangerous for the Pharisees to oppose Jesus’ miraculous work. Christians today who have the same attitude regarding the supernatural work of God are just as much in danger of committing this sin.

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Wayne Scott To disobey is not the same as to blaspheme. Blasphemy is a SPEAKING sin. It’s verbalizing hatred and animosity towards God’s supernatural work. What this sin is CLEARLY spelled out.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Walter. I see your point. But I see another side of blaspheme as in David, by his sin, causing the Gentiles to blaspheme God. Looks to me like they looked at Israel’s righteous king and saw him sin and figured that if he had decided his God was not worth walking with, then He is not.

      Sad to say I never understood blasphemy from this light until my wife of 30 years divorced me.

    • Walter Polasik
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      It’s important to know God the way the Bible teaches us to know Him. Note that Jesus told the Pharisees that unless they recognized that He is God, that He is the “i AM”, they would DIE IN THEIR SINS. (Jn. 8:58). It’s not a small matter.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      The more I study the simpler it gets.

      James 1
      27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

      And I just recently noticed that in Matt 25:31-46 the sheep seem to have been saved by serving/loving Jesus without knowing it was Jesus they were serving.

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      John the elder wrote,

      I John 4
      7Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

    • Mark Walker
      Reply May 20, 2017

      Mark Walker

      But which kind of love? Mmmm

  • LaVina Burns
    Reply May 21, 2017

    LaVina Burns

    Amen!!!

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 21, 2017

    Troy Day

    Mark How is on deeper or shallow Trinitarian? You are either or .. right? Wayne Scott UPC modailistc Trinity is plainly heretical

    • Mark Walker
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Mark Walker

      Haha yeah I guess your right. But I focus alot on the person of the Holy Spirit

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      // Wayne Scott UPC modailistc //

      I do not think so. Please support your statement.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Troy Day

      False Doctrine of Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal church http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Troy, I’m not UPC and I’m not a modalist. I was UPC for 10 years but it ended when I was in my early 30’s about half my life ago.

      While “Trinity” might be our best attempt to explain the Godhead, as I explained I felt God tell me to limit my descriptions of God to biblical terms out of love and respect for my oneness brothers.

      I shared that earlier but what I did not share is that I also felt God tell me that if they are offended by a verse that seems to describe God as a Trinity, they can get over it.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Troy Day

      Still sounds pretty modalistic if you ask me

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      I do not respond well to people who try to control me by making me parrot words I do not understand.

      I’m now 62 but I remember graduating high school, which ended my 8 year stint playing football. I entered college at 17 years old and being sick of football, as a lark tried out for the wrestling team and won a starting position and was winning matches before my 18th birthday.

      I was a long haired pot smoking hippie who had suddenly physically matured and took to wrestling like a duck takes to water.

      I was an atheist who was spitting in the face of authority. I hated anyone who tried to control me in a negative way. I’ve tried to tone it down a little but I still hate for insecure people to try to control others.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Troy Day

      So have half ot the ppl in this group but what does this have to do with OP? :: A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Christian, by definition, means “a follower of Christ.” I am a follower of Christ and you would brand me as a heretic because I do not understand the Trinity and take steps to not offend my modalist brothers?

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Troy Day

      Good to know Let’s stick to the OP on this one pls

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      The OP is about the Trinity. Does “sticking with the OP” mean I must agree? Are you wanting to preach only to the choir or are your opinions open for discussion?

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Troy Day

      I was simply explaining how UPC is modalistic. Now that we agree, there’s no further issue with UPC modalism

    • Wayne Scott
      Reply May 21, 2017

      Wayne Scott

      Okay. I must have misread. I thought you were calling me a modalist.

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 21, 2017

    Troy Day

    Wayne Scott Nicene/Athanasian creedal understanding of the Trinity is a minimal necessity for any claim to orthodoxy UPC is not orthodox in their modalistic explanation of Trinity; nor Trinitirian; probably not Christian either – if we compare St. Atanasius

  • Dan Irving
    Reply June 28, 2017

    Dan Irving

    A Christian also believes the Lord their God is One. To say, “I believe in the Trinity,” seems without much real meaning, as we can acknowledge references to the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, while believing radically different things about what that means. And, if we use our Trinitarian assertion in such a way as to obscure the intrinsic Oneness of God, we’re dead wrong; ie. considering the Lord’s greatest commandment.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 29, 2017

    Troy Day

    It meant a lot for the Early Church as well, and that is exactly what they said:
    ONE GOD ~
    A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
    Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
    NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Troy Day

    Ricky Grimsley when I posted this back in the day was namely to show unitiarian Jesus-only oneness fellers like Michael Hazlewood that their believe in what they call Jesus-only-Trinity is not the orthodox Christian Trinitarian believe

    A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
    Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
    NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      YOU are False accusing son I am a One God Apostolic Baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins

    • Joey Felts
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Joey Felts

      You mean you have to believe in the Trinity to be a Trinitarian….WOW

  • Michael Hazlewood
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Michael Hazlewood

    IF Holy God and The Lord Jesus Christ are not ONE in the same person there is no remission of sin

  • Joey Felts
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Joey Felts

    Well I guess that depends on your definition of Christianity

  • Jared Cheshire
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Jared Cheshire

    I have had a new view of this recently. I have always believed there was one God and most others believe the same. However, the way most see the godhead, or rather explain the godhead, seems to border on polytheistic unity, or a schizophrenic deiety with a multiple personality disorder. Not accusing any of beliveing those things, just pointing out the appearance of many explanations.

    I was studying baptisim, because something someone told me challenged my view, and was something I hadn’t heard before. In my study, I was stongly impressed on by the Holy Spirit the start looking at a box. It has height, width, and depth. It is not 3 boxes, but one. It has 6 side surfaces and volume inside, but it is still one box. Everything in the universe is comprised in 3 dimensions. Height, width, and depth. Those 3 dimensions can also be seen as space, matter, and time. I had a strong feeling that God was nudging me as if saying, “Can you not see the Creator reflected in the creation?” I sat and drew out this simple diagram. Followed by several others, to help me wrap my mortal little mind around it. I will share them latter this evening when I’m at my computer.

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Troy Day, On my computer now. Here is that drawing. Is this not how we explain the universe? Everything has Height, Width, and Depth, as well as Space, Time, and Matter?

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Is this not how the Bible explains mankind?

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Here is an example of how I see people explain the One God of the Bible. This is my understanding as taken from actual conversations of the differing ideas explained to me.

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      This is how I have become to understand the makeup of God. Godhead is a term I don’t nesissaryily care for, but it is the one that is accepted in English speaking society since the KJV was translated in 1611.

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      flat earth? Jared Cheshire

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Lol. No
      I’ve lived on the water. You can see the curve. The arguments the flat earthers make demontrate a lack of experience and education. In my humble opinion.

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Troy Day

    Jared Cheshire Michael Hazlewood I think the saint was right when he said
    A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
    Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
    NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Did the church teach a trinity of three separate persons before 300 AD? I haven’t found that.

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      check the words of Jesus (in red)

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      So are the rest of the words in black of lesser value? Were they wrong? Or are all scripture given by inspiration of God and if there is a seeming contradiction, it is in our mortal understsnding?

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      When you have seen me, you have seen the Father.

      What? Have I been so long with you and you don’t know me Philip?

      My Father to send the comforter in my name.

      I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you.

  • Dan Irving
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Dan Irving

    Does the “angel of the Lord”, fit somewhere into this wheel?

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Troy Day

    Is the angel of the Lord, Jesus or theophany ?

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Depending on the circumstances, the angel of the Lord could have been just a messenger. Although I believe there were throphanies several times. Example, in the fire with the 3 Hebrew boys. But if Jesus is eternal, and Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God, would it make sense that a theophany is Jesus? Something to wrap your mind around, isn’t it? I have been looking at that trying to figure it out for quite a while. While I believe that is quite likely, I haven’t been able to prove or disprove it.

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Jared Cheshire I love this observation.

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Thank you sir.

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Yw

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      I believe every throphany was Jesus… 🙂

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      throphany? milenial spell checker?

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Troy Day it us called autocorrect

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      we used to call it spell checker back in the day – milenials may call it something new; Once a program was a program not an app

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Troy Day the good thing about spell checker is it does not automatically correct you.

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Either way a little common sence goes a very long way.

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      Mine did as early as Office 1997

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Troy good for you!

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      I prefer to call that feature auto corrupt. Lol 😂

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Jared it gets tricky. Lol

  • Dan Irving
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Dan Irving

    Pick your reference.

  • Casey Fleet
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Casey Fleet

    I’d say the Angel of the Lord is Jesus

  • Dan Irving
    Reply January 5, 2018

    Dan Irving

    The Angel of the Lord = Jesus? But that can’t be so.

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Why?

    • Dan Irving
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Dan Irving

      Logically, Jesus’ angel would be “the Angel of the Lord.” At Rev. 22:16 Jesus is quoted saying, “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. . .” Jesus sent Himself? (Not likely.)

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      That is in Revelation. Not the old Testament

    • Dan Irving
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Dan Irving

      The NT is a different angel of the Lord than the OT?

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Very well could be…

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Are you Trinitarian?

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Dan Irving this is another great read in it

      https://www.gotquestions.org/angel-of-the-Lord.html

    • Dan Irving
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Dan Irving

      I’ve never really classified myself, as I sense dogmatism on both sides. Oneness proponents who deny the principles expressed by Trinitarians can be fiercely dogmatic. But Triinitarians can hold their own in this arena too. Thanks for those links. I’ll give them a view.

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      It can go either way that is for sure. I have a reason to believe the Angel of the Lord was Jesus… Especially as a Trinitarian.

    • Dan Irving
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Dan Irving

      I think there are mysteries concerning the angelic realm that are only touched upon in scripture. Christ tells of sending His angel. The believers to whom Peter came at night, believed it was, rather, Peter’s “angel” they were seeing. It seems the early church held a view/position/doctrine, we don’t have today.

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      So true Dan… I always keep in mind that is all during the time of Christ. However before Christ. I believe these manifestations were Jesus.

    • Dan Irving
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Dan Irving

      I tend to that view as well. He has always been “before all things,” “the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.”

    • Casey Fleet
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Casey Fleet

      Amen. So with him making appearance in the Old Testament at times gave them proof of their faith.

    • Dan Irving
      Reply January 5, 2018

      Dan Irving

      That seems the key word, “Faith.” I think of the Lord’s words in Jn. 6 “you have seen me, and believe not.” I think those are the most fearsome words the Lord spoke. What does it mean to behold the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of our own spiritual nature, and yet, to “believe not.”????

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      angels are created

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    surprised Ricky Grimsley has not pitched in with the eternal sonship of Christ

  • Jared Cheshire
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Jared Cheshire

    What is the Son of God according to the ancient peoole of the OT? Did that thinking carry over into the New Testament?

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/14VHZGSV2gyHABLfYu7-jHB_4wLRg4M1E/view?usp=drivesdk

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Ricky Grimsley

    Jesus was not the son in eternal past. He is son forever now though.

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    If what Ricky said was true how can it be Jesus only Michael Hazlewood

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      You said Jesus only , I didn’t

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      I’m tired of debating people who don’t want to know the Truth they just want to pretend to know something that is not so and show off their ignorance

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      Quite an ignorant way to approach such people dont you think ?

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    Is there any other name given?

  • Michael Hazlewood
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Michael Hazlewood

    Yall don’t answer my questions , read my Scriptures or even care what they say

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    Why assume all that so wholeheartedly?

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      What assumption ???

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      The one you just stated in your previous comment

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      With soooo many Scriptures in the 1000s saying there is only One God and none else and soooo many Scriptures showing baptism is essential IN JESUS NAME for salvation and yall remain so proud of your false information saying there are 3 Persons coequal and baptism is works salvation , I feel I am waisting time with people who just don’t care or want to know

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Ricky Grimsley

    “Jesus only” is illogical on its face. How can jesus intercede for us if he is all there is?

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      In His Father the Holy Ghost

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Matthew 1:18-21 and John 10:30 KJB

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      John 4:24 KJB

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      God the father is a spirit jesus is the body. Just like we triunity of man. Except they are in harmony

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Ricky Grimsley That is not what the Scripture says

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      It certainly does.

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      God is a Spirit not a spirit

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Ricky Grimsley NO , it doesn’t where is harmony in the Scripture or coequal in Scripture or God the Son or God the Holy Ghost or Trinity ?

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Philippians 2:5-9 KJVS
      [5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      How can there be two Almighty Gods ; if there were 2 then neither is Almighty Revelations 1:8 KJB

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      There arent two gods.

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Ricky Grimsley So you are saying The Lord Jesus Christ is not The Almighty God ?

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Philipians 2:10 KJB

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Colossians 2:10 KJB

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Jesus is what you see when you see God

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Ricky Grimsley Jesus is WHO you see when you see God

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      John 14:9 KJB

    • Michael Hazlewood
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Michael Hazlewood

      Believing the Word of God above ALL else be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost that the Apostles and Christians of the Holy Bible KJB received

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    Ricky did you just ask: How can Jesus intercede if He is not all there?

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Ricky Grimsley

    No

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Ricky Grimsley

    If jesus is all there is he cant make intercession because intercession is between two parties. Their has to be three entities for there to be and intercessor. If jesus only is true then there are only two parties.

    • Jared Cheshire
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Jared Cheshire

      Cannot the flesh intercede with the Spirit?

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply January 6, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Thats my assertion. To me the Godhead is like man. Body soul and spirit. Three different wills but in the case of the godhead they are in unity.

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    Next you go from 3 to 9 Just think about it

  • Vicky Pinochi
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Vicky Pinochi

    That is correct

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Ricky Grimsley

    I dont get nine because i believe one body one spirit one soul

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    7?

  • Grover Katzmarek Sr
    Reply January 6, 2018

    Grover Katzmarek Sr

    I know one church, its a holy godly church who believes in Jesus only. Most of their people would put most so called Christians to shame. They really live what they believe.

    To me there are so many scriptural references to the contrary.

    1. At least twice a voice from heaven said This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. One reference was at Christs baptism.

    2. The great commission about baptism.

    3. Most of the epistles written to the church begin with from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

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