A Christian is the one who accepts The Trinity.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 Persons in the ONE God Head.
NOT 3 gods – ONE GOD (Athanasian Creed)
Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 1:07 PM]
Its pretty dangerous to to say that believing the trinity is what it takes t
John Kissinger [09/01/2015 1:10 PM]
the Early Church sure did…
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 3:06 PM]
Yes, I think the Nicene/Athanasian creedal understanding of the Trinity is a minimal necessity for any claim to orthodoxy.
Peyton Gurley [09/01/2015 3:48 PM]
The early church sure didn’t.
Peyton Gurley [09/01/2015 3:49 PM]
The claim to orthodoxy is a joke. No were does the Bible say you have to believe in it just because extra biblical people did.
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 3:57 PM]
One of the arguments rightly used by the Church Fathers was that they were only defending what had been passed down to them directly from the Apostles, and that this teaching was not extra-Biblical, but a defense of Biblical orthodoxy.
Peyton Gurley [09/01/2015 4:02 PM]
Do you know the story of Athanasius?
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:03 PM]
“when most people today talk about Sola Scriptura, what they really have in mind is Solo Scriptura. “Solo” Scriptura is the idea that we can learn all matters about faith and practice using the Bible alone, plus nothing else. If a group or person studies the Bible, and they think they have found some truth, doctrine, or practice in Scripture, then they should believe or practice this idea, whether or not it was ever believed or practiced previously in the history of the church. This is “Solo” Scriptura.
Sola Scriptura, on the other hand, as talked about by the Reformers, held to nothing of the sort. They believed that Scripture should be studied in conjunction with the rest of the community of the Saints, especially those Early Church Fathers who helped develop the Creeds of Nicaea and Chalcedon.” http://redeeminggod.com/sola-scriptura-solo-scriptura/
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:16 PM]
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Henry Volk [09/01/2015 4:24 PM]
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 4:55 PM]
A related issue, though slightly off topic, against those who claim that Pentecostal/Charismatic Christianity is itself an innovation outside the tradition of the Church, most of the Church Fathers, and most medieval monastic reform movements, would have disagreed. http://prodigalthought.net/2010/05/16/the-charismata-in-church-history/
Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 6:54 PM]
In all seriousness, how can you say that three persons is not three gods. There is only one god. Jesus is the express image of the invisible, the fullness of the godhead bodily. We are one person but we have three separate parts with three different wills at times. Sometimes your body craves something but the spirit says no and your mind decides. How many times do what we dont want to because its the right thing. When we are really like christ we do what we want but all we want is good. Personally i see jesus as the body and father as the mind and the spirit as the spirit. Three but one. Still only one. Three persons sounds like three gods.
Henry Volk [09/01/2015 8:31 PM]
In the Ancient Greek and Latin the word “persons” did not carry the exact connotations that it does today.
John Kissinger [09/01/2015 10:56 PM]
Volk, do tell!
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:02 PM]
As Henry points out, the term “persons” used by the Fathers did not have the same meaning as the modern use of the term, so we are not talking about three separate individuals, and thus three gods. In Scripture Jesus uses personal language to talk of the Father and the Spirit, and clearly submits to Father and His will. Such talk would be meaningless if we were only talking about a single person who manifests in three different ways. It would suggest a form of split personality in Jesus.
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:08 PM]
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Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 11:15 PM]
So in what context is jesus the “everlasting father”Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Shawn Herles [09/01/2015 11:21 PM]
In one sense Jesus is father insofar as he is the firstborn from the dead. This does not mean he is the Father in the Biblical sense, and if he was, it would make no sense for him to pray to the Father, and statements like this one, ““Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but thine be done” would make no sense.
Ricky Grimsley [09/01/2015 11:32 PM]
What is the “father”s name?
John Kissinger [09/01/2015 11:41 PM]
Ricky Grimsley well we know it aint #Jesus
Peyton Gurley [09/03/2015 10:25 AM]
I know Jesus is the Father. I know Jesus is the Son. I know Jesus is the Holy Ghost and all these three are one. Let me tell you who Jesus is. He’s the rock of all ages. He’s the Alpha and the Omega. He’s the Heavenly Father. The Beginning and the End, He’s much more than this my friend. He’s the Son of God and He’s coming back again. Many people today say they know Jesus but they don’t know who He is. They put Him second in the Godhead, they’ve got some strange ideas. But if Jesus Christ created everything and has all power I’m asking you, if Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords, how can He be number two?
Henry Volk [09/03/2015 10:30 AM]
Peyton, how can the Father be the Logos?
Peyton Gurley [09/03/2015 10:33 AM]
The same way He’s the Rose of Sharon and He’s the Lilly of the Valley.