Q: What is necessary for a believer to also be pentecostal? What would prevent one from being pentecostal?
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 3:36 AM]
There were no other believers on Pentecost BUT Pentecostal… There were no baptists, methodists or catholics for “they ALL spake in tongues…”
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 3:45 AM]
If you believe in Acts 2, you are Pentecostal Period. It is a freaking feast after all.
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 3:53 AM]
I’ve repeatedly expressed my position through various discussions in this group that there’s no Pentecostalism without doctrine of holiness and Wesleyan sanctification. Therefore, I am greatly surprised when a discussion focuses primarily on signs (like speaking in tongues) and says nothing about sanctification. Is it a rightful presumption that the very problem of neo-Pentecostals is namely the lack of holiness in doctrine and lifestyle?
Christopher Hart [09/25/2015 3:55 AM]
I don’t see or read all your comments brother. No offense.
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 3:57 AM]
Are you joking? Sanctification and holiness have NOTHING to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. No one bit. It is the promise of the Holy Spirit, not the reward for being a good boy and taking your vitamins. It is the gift of the Father. Gifts are not earned.
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 3:59 AM]
So Peter A are you saying (1) sanctification is not a gift from God and (2) the Holy Spirit will enter an unsanctified vessel? #HelloNeoPentecostalism
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:01 AM]
Sanctification is part of salvation. When we are born again, you are declared holy. It is not something you do, it is something you are. We are saved, sanctificated, justified and glorified at salvation. Yes, I am a two works of grace guy.
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 4:03 AM]
No one here argues against that. However, to answer Christopher question: lack of sanctification will “prevent one from being pentecostal?”
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:03 AM]
Plus, I do not believe we can “be holy” with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is the power to live upright. (Part of Dunamis)
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 4:05 AM]
No one here is saying that either. However, the premise that “Sanctification and holiness have NOTHING to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit” will “prevent one from being Pentecostal?” Alan N Carla Smith
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:05 AM]
It will not. That is works. Anyone can be Pentecostal… just go to the Holy Land at the end of May and early June… that’s Pentecost week haha
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:06 AM]
Anyone who believes in the Acts 2:1-4 experience is Pentecostal. Sometimes we are too “hardline” and purist on things.
Christopher Hart [09/25/2015 4:08 AM]
Also, I wasn’t focusing primarily on signs (like speaking in tongues). It was you who brought tongues up brother. I was replying to your comments.
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 4:08 AM]
not sure if what you’re describing is neo-pentecostalism or easy-pentecostalism 🙂
Gerald Creasy [09/25/2015 4:08 AM]
“The Holy Spirit will enter an unsanctified vessel” was said above.
I guess that Jesus guy will go places the Holy Spirit wont?
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:09 AM]
I am talking about what is biblical. Calling someone neo-Pentecostal is an insult and rooted in pride and an ego. Why can’t you just accept people who disagree on little issue?
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 4:10 AM]
sure He’ll go and clean your temple with a whip 🙂
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:10 AM]
While I told tongues to be the initial physical evidence, I welcome people who dont speak in tongues as Spirit filled.
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 4:13 AM]
so Peter A Vandever if you take Holy away from the Holy Spirit is He still the Holy Spirit or just another spirit?
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:16 AM]
We are holy at salvation. Period. The “Holiness movement” was a joke and a mockery of God’s nature.
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 4:17 AM]
I rest my case – hope you dont delete your comment later 🙂
Peter A Vandever [09/25/2015 4:18 AM]
Nothing to delete. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a reward for being a good boy. It is the infilling so we can do move in signs, wonders, and miracles.
David John Maxfield [09/25/2015 5:02 AM]
Mark 16:9-20 and the application of that makes us pentecostal
John Kissinger [09/25/2015 9:43 AM]
David John Maxfield the only here handling snakes is Alan N Carla Smith (and maybe Charles Page in his past) – are you saying the rest of us are not #PENTECOSTAL?
David John Maxfield [09/25/2015 4:46 PM]
I wasn’t talking about going and grabbing snakes that would be silly, however if we are walking in the Power of God and a snake happens to bite us then I believe that it won’t have any effect just as what happened with Paul