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| I really appreciate this article! It highlights how different interpretations of scripture can lead to confusion. Pew Research shows that many people identify as Christians, and that diversity is important to understand (Pew Research Center, 2019). The mention of Gnostic theology is interesting too; it reminds us that traditional beliefs focus on faith and grace, not secret knowledge (Christianity.com). Overall, this article encourages us to look deeper into our beliefs and not take everything at face value. I believe it opens the door for healthy discussion about what Christianity truly means! |
The claims made seem to draw from a selective interpretation of scripture, which can easily lead to misunderstanding foundational Christian beliefs. According to Pew Research, over 70% of Americans identify with Christianity, indicating a rich diversity in interpretations that should not be dismissed outright (Pew Research Center, 2019). Furthermore, the article appears to lean towards Gnostic theology, which has been historically recognized as heretical by mainstream Christianity. Gnosticism emphasizes secret knowledge and often contradicts the orthodox teachings about salvation through faith and grace (Christianity.com). This misalignment with traditional beliefs raises questions about the validity of the arguments presented. In conclusion, the points raised in the article can be debunked as they stem from a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of Christian doctrine, thus rendering it as false news and heretical in nature.
Varnel Watson
Do you know WHO? Eddie L. Hyatt Link Hudson
Link Hudson
What does this have to do with the study of God?
I have heard read they may not have had Turkey at the feast we now call Thanksgiving, and that a day of thanksgiving for the pilgrims would have been a day of fasting rather than feasting.
If we could go back in time and visit, I wonder how they would treat us. They were pretty rough on the Quakers. How would they treat Pentecostals?
Varnel Watson
oh really whole a lot – back in the day I was gonna do a sermon on the subject and come to learn A LOT about the pilgrims and the whole story A historian at the Smithsonian told me they had surf and turf instead Who was rough on the Quakers?
Varnel Watson
The Wampanoag guests brought five deer with them, so venison was on the menu. The English brought fowl, “probably migrating waterfowl like ducks and geese, which were plentiful in autumn,” says Beahrs. “Governor William Bradford does mention taking turkeys that year, but not in connection to the harvest celebration.” Since Bradford wrote of how the colonists had hunted wild turkeys during the autumn of 1621 and since turkey is a uniquely American (and scrumptious) bird, it gained traction as the Thanksgiving meal of choice for Americans after Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1863.
Eddie L. Hyatt
Troy Day You are exactly right. However, I think Beahrs is over confident in his assertion that the “fowl” spoken of by Braford and an unnamed Pilgrim in “Mourt’s Relations” excludes turkey.
Varnel Watson
“fowl” was not turkey and most of our history goes on a few letters not a holistic testimony of all pilgrims which we dont have; According to what traditionally is known as “The First Thanksgiving,” the 1621 feast between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag at Plymouth Colony contained waterfowl, venison, ham, lobster, clams, berries, fruit, pumpkin, and squash.
Most of the pilgrims were craftsmen in England. Squanto taught them how to hunt and survive. Governor William Bradford described Squanto as “a special instrument sent of God. But Squanto fell ill of Indian fever, bleeding much at the nose,-which the Indians take for a symptom of death,-and within a few days he died.
Varnel Watson
IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid: And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. IN WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape-Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, Anno Domini; 1620
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
A Messianic rabbai said that thanksgiving was founded upon the teachings based up on the feast of tabernacles and adapted by the Puritans when they came to America. If it is true then I like it cause the tradition was copied from the word of God.
Link Hudson
I have heard that the Indians had a festival where they had a feast in honor of ‘the Great Spirit’ about that time of year
Varnel Watson
and what about the turkey at that feast – any info? Jerome Herrick Weymouth I dont think they had turkeys in the tabernacle
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Well the corrupted priesthood in the day of Christmas were full of turkeys…Now here’s one for you BP Brother Troy, how corrupt were the High Priest in Jesus time and yet none dropped dead when they went into the Most Holy place on the day of atonement.
Jim Price
Good observation !
Varnel Watson
did the corrupted priesthood in the days of Christ offer turkeys?
Jim Price
I’m told that the two subjects to avoid on Turkey day is politics and religion, which means that, I had better tie a gag around my mouth; how am I going to eat turkey?
Link Hudson
Better than eating crow.
Varnel Watson
was turkey the choice of top lead masons?
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
God accepted the offering, for those who could afford a bullock or a goat and for the poor a turtle dove, and even a grain offering.
Varnel Watson
was it a masonic sacrifice? – they turkey
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Local 666 masonic and rapture date setters union.
Varnel Watson
6+6+6=18
1+8=9=3×3
3-3=0
Joe Absher
Thank God for a little rain in California today
Varnel Watson
makes them turkeys much moister
Joe Absher
Don’t you think thanksgiving will be a good day to preach. Gotta be some heathens somewhere? They can’t all be puritans
Varnel Watson
This is what we KNOW thus far Link Hudson
– there was no turkey – came later with the masons
– natives brought 5 dead deer
– few pilgrims shot some birds for supper
– there were plenty of meat and fruit pies
– may have been some gravy {not too sure}
– there were no stores so no black friday sales
– Englishmen eat together – both puritans and criminals
BUT there was a great celebration of FREEDOM
It was significant theologically as a first harvest feast
governor thanked GOD for the natives for teaching them how to hunt and survive the cold winter – most Englishmen who came were craftsmen or city criminals with no farm / hunt skills
None of the pilgrims had proper papers and did NOT follow the migration process. They actually fled in a caravan, storm the eastern sea border and simply entered Jan Dixon Sykes
Yes many of them were real criminals running from the law in Europe and proceeded to establish gangs that held the common wealth trade some of which illegal gun and drug related Gerardo de Dominicis
No it did not work too well for the native citizens, but somehow by the grace of GOD here we are 500 years ALL thankful for SUCH history
Mark Boversky
I found the article to be misleading in several aspects. The claims made seem to draw from a selective interpretation of scripture, which can easily lead to misunderstanding foundational Christian beliefs. According to Pew Research, over 70% of Americans identify with Christianity, indicating a rich diversity in interpretations that should not be dismissed outright (Pew Research Center, 2019). Furthermore, the article appears to lean towards Gnostic theology, which has been historically recognized as heretical by mainstream Christianity. Gnosticism emphasizes secret knowledge and often contradicts the orthodox teachings about salvation through faith and grace (Christianity.com). This misalignment with traditional beliefs raises questions about the validity of the arguments presented. In conclusion, the points raised in the article can be debunked as they stem from a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of Christian doctrine, thus rendering it as false news and heretical in nature.
Fin Shadow
I really appreciate this article! It highlights how different interpretations of scripture can lead to confusion. Pew Research shows that many people identify as Christians, and that diversity is important to understand (Pew Research Center, 2019). The mention of Gnostic theology is interesting too; it reminds us that traditional beliefs focus on faith and grace, not secret knowledge (Christianity.com). Overall, this article encourages us to look deeper into our beliefs and not take everything at face value. I believe it opens the door for healthy discussion about what Christianity truly means!
Troy Day
Philip Williams John Mushenhouse Glynn Brown Jose Salinas Eddie L. Hyatt The claims made seem to draw from a selective interpretation of scripture, which can easily lead to misunderstanding foundational Christian beliefs. According to Pew Research, over 70% of Americans identify with Christianity, indicating a rich diversity in interpretations that should not be dismissed outright (Pew Research Center, 2019). Furthermore, the article appears to lean towards Gnostic theology, which has been historically recognized as heretical by mainstream Christianity. Gnosticism emphasizes secret knowledge and often contradicts the orthodox teachings about salvation through faith and grace (Christianity.com). This misalignment with traditional beliefs raises questions about the validity of the arguments presented. In conclusion, the points raised in the article can be debunked as they stem from a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of Christian doctrine, thus rendering it as false news and heretical in nature.
Troy Day
was it a masonic sacrifice? – they turkey Jim Newbould Dan Cross
Jerome Herrick Weymouth responded
Local 666 masonic and rapture date setters union.
Varnel Watson contended
6+6+6=18
1+8=9=3×3
3-3=0
AND Joseph D. Absher Joseph Castillo thanked GOD: Thank God for a little rain in California today makes them turkeys much moister
Glynn Brown
Troy Day Masonic sacrifice? What a nutty conspiracy theory.
Troy Day
Glynn Brown so stated by 1 Varnel Watson in the comments
Go read them – if you can still read any of course https://www.freemason.com/the-masonic-connection-to-thanksgiving/
Glynn Brown
Troy Day
https://www.freemason.com/the-masonic-connection-to-thanksgiving/
Glynn Brown
Troy Day
https://www.gilavalleylodge9.com/post/freemasonry-s-storied-connection-to-thanksgiving
Jim Newbould
Troy Day
All things will be revealed to you just after your last breath,
I found that out when I was 18 years old
Troy Day
Jim Newbould well THEN tell us ALL about it
cause @followers are struggling with this here POST
especially Philip Williams Glynn Brown looking for answers
Glynn Brown
Troy Day how stupid if you to think that Christians existed before the death and resurrection of Christ.
Troy Day
Glynn Brown another strawman – seems like with pro-gay frontology you think gay Christians exist too How so very silly of your mythological stance
Glynn Brown
Troy Day you’re the one with the gay idol (king James). You’re as stupid as they come,cow girl.
Explain how there were Christians before the resurrection,what kind of cult are you running here?
Dan Cross
Troy Day Ancient Hebrews did not understand arithmetic in the exact same manner we do, primarily due to differences in notation, the development of abstract mathematical theory, and the additional cultural use of numbers for symbolic meaning.
Key Similarities and Differences
Base-10 System: Ancient Hebrews used a base-10 counting system, similar to the decimal system used today.
Numeral Representation: The main difference was in representation. The Hebrew numeral system, adapted from Greek and Aramaic systems around the 2nd century BCE, was an alphabetic numeral system, where letters of the alphabet were assigned numerical values (e.g., the first nine letters for 1-9, the next nine for 10, 20, … 90, etc.). This is different from the modern Hindu-Arabic positional decimal system (using digits 0-9).
Concept of Zero: Early Hebrew systems, like other ancient representative systems such as Roman numerals, did not have a concept of zero or a place-value system as we do today. The idea of a place-value system with a zero came much later with the adoption of Hindu-Arabic numerals, which were used in Hebrew texts from the medieval period, mostly in calculation diagrams.
Practical vs. Abstract Focus: Mathematics in the ancient Hebrew world was largely focused on practical applications like measuring land, managing a lunar calendar, trade, and architectural measurements. There was less emphasis on abstract mathematical philosophy compared to the ancient Greeks.
Symbolic Meaning (Gematria): Numbers in ancient Hebrew culture often carried figurative or symbolic meaning (gematria) in addition to their literal value. For example, the number 18 is significant because the letters for “chai” (life) add up to 18. This use of numbers for mystical or textual interpretation is a significant cultural difference from modern arithmetic, where numbers are purely abstract quantities.
Level of Advancement: While capable of practical arithmetic and some geometry, advanced concepts like modern algebra, calculus, and abstract structures were not part of the ancient Hebrew understanding of mathematics. Later Jewish mathematicians in the Muslim and medieval periods, like Levi ben Gerson, made significant contributions to advanced mathematics, including the use of mathematical induction, but this was a later development.
In essence, while they shared a base-10 concept and basic operations, the way numbers were written, the absence of modern concepts like zero and place value in early periods, and the cultural use of numerology distinguish their understanding of arithmetic from ours today. The idea that zero was incorporated in their numerology was not likely
Roy Gwetsani
Troy Day amen
Troy Day
Roy Gwetsani amen is right Neil Steven Lawrence mathematicians in the Muslim and medieval periods, like Levi ben Gerson, made significant contributions to advanced mathematics, including the use of mathematical induction, but this was a later development.
In essence, while they shared a base-10 concept and basic operations, the way numbers were written, the absence of modern concepts like zero and place value in early periods, and the cultural use of numerology distinguish their understanding of arithmetic from ours today.
Troy Day
This is what we KNOW thus far Rasiah Thomas Jared Cheshire Terry Wiles Glynn Brown Philip Williams Jose Salinas
– there was no turkey – came later with the masons
– natives brought 5 dead deer
– few pilgrims shot some birds for supper
– there were plenty of meat and fruit pies
– may have been some gravy {not too sure}
– there were no stores so no black friday sales
– Englishmen eat together – both puritans and criminals
BUT there was a great celebration of FREEDOM
It was significant theologically as a first harvest feast
governor thanked GOD for the natives for teaching them how to hunt and survive the cold winter – most Englishmen who came were craftsmen or city criminals with no farm / hunt skills
None of the pilgrims had proper papers and did NOT follow the migration process. They actually fled in a caravan, storm the eastern sea border and simply entered Jan Dixon Sykes
Yes many of them were real criminals running from the law in Europe and proceeded to establish gangs that held the common wealth trade some of which illegal gun and drug related Gerardo de Dominicis
No it did not work too well for the native citizens, but somehow by the grace of GOD here we are 500 years ALL thankful for SUCH history
Troy Day
yes Rasiah Thomas Isara Mo Jevan Little
Jevan Little
Troy Day They may of had turkey but it wasn’t the centerpiece it is today
Pentecostal Theology
Jevan Little it was a triune turkey? not one central oneness?
Glynn Brown
Troy Day the turkey farmers started the turkey tradition ,along with Sarah Hale , and Abraham Lincoln (none of whom were masons).
King James was a mason however.
Paul Hughes
Seriously? Turkey “stuck in your craw”? Got personal issues with Thanksgiving?
My late father’s saying, “Let your vittles stop your mouth,” comes inexorably to mind.
Troy Day
the verse posted by Jared Cheshire may be a good response to Paul Hughes WHO having failed to answer the charges by Paul King under the Hagin post is now trying to deal with his turkey issues at home and abroad
Jared Cheshire
My comment on this? 1 Kings 12:32
Troy Day
In 1 Kings 12:32, Jeroboam instituted a festival on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, similar to the festival held in Judah, and offered sacrifices on the altar in Bethel. This feast was not in accordance with God’s timing
Troy Day
Terry Wiles Philip Williams John Mushenhouse Jared Cheshire William DeArteaga
quote
On September 25th, 1789 Congressman and Brother Elias Boudinot of Burlington, New Jersey appeared in front of the House of Representatives with a proposition. Brother Boudinot asked that the government create a committee to persuade the President and Freemason, George Washington, to declare a national day of thanks and prayer. Without his Masonic values, Brother Boudinot may have never been inclined to rally for this national day of thanks.
In 1789, President George Washington delivered the Proclamation of 1789 that assigned November 26th as the National Holiday of Thanksgiving. This proclamation was also a symbol to our former monarchy that the colonies were a self-governing and legitimate state. Washington remarked, “both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.”
It goes without doubt that our national holiday of Thanksgiving would not have been established without the help of two Freemasons. Brother Elias Boudinot and President George Washington are two strong foundations of our Thanksgiving tradition. As Freemasons, we should take this time to practice gratitude for our fellow Brethren, lodges, and local communities. Happy Thanksgiving from the Grand Lodge of Ohio!
end of quote
source freemason com // the-masonic-connection-to-thanksgiving/
Jared Cheshire
Troy Day do you know what that day, that GW made the proclamation, was on the Hebrew calendar. A very important date.
Troy Day
@gerardo de dominicic pls tell Jared Cheshire before he tell us all AND especially Glynn Brown
Dan Cross
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Troy Day
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same for William DeArteaga and his demonic deliverance book
and Dan Irving for his book – PM 1 chapter of each and we will promote
Dan Cross
Troy Day Oh, thank you, brother! How would I send it to you?
Troy Day
Dan Cross BTW if you are interested – starting this one today 🙂 https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-am-i-not-a-calvinist/
Dan Cross
Troy Day I have several Calvinist friends. I find their reasoning rather circular. I don’t really argue with them if they are rather set in their ideology. It’s a matter, which has been argued for millennia unsettled, most likely we both have examined every perspective and angle, either through study or debate, and it is not essential for salvation.  But I have yet to receive a satisfying answer for why Jesus gave us the great commission if we are predestined one way or the other.