The timing of the “Rapture” relative to other end-time events…

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Hello everyone! Here is a post about the Rapture. I am interested in hearing feedback about the ideas in this article. I know some people have strong opinions about this subject. But I’d love to hear your thoughts after reading the article. If this article breaks any group rules, kindly please decline the post and don’t ban me. I’d like to stick around for a while. 🙂

The timing of the “Rapture” relative to other end-time events is a subject of great debate. But what is the Rapture? When people talk about the Rapture, they usually are referring to this event, described by Paul. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with

45 Comments

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Adrian Marine

    Revelation 14:14-16 by Jesus and then we are in heaven singing with harps in chapter 15. Now the 7 bowls of wrath happen in 16.

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Janie Jones

    Rapture is witchery. False. Charms. Magic and a lie.

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Sam Reich

    SORRY. THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE.
    SALVATION THOUGH WILL OCCUR BY THE MEANS OF THE MANCHILD. THE SAVIOUR OF THE SPECIES OF MANKIND AND THE PLANET OVERALL BY THE WILL OF THE FATHER.
    THE QUEST IS WHO IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PUT GOD TO THE TEST?

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Brian Simmons

    It’s obvious that the rapture occurs at Revelation 4, when the thrones are set in heaven (Dan. 7). This is the “open door” offered to the Philadelphian church. Remember also, in Matthew 25, Christ represents His coming as happening suddenly.. without any warning. This accords nicely with all of the N.T. verses. The “no rapture” club is a sad product of post-war disillusionment.

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Martin J. Harris

    David Wilkinson, Thanks for sharing this article and your view. Although I do not agree with it, I respect where your studies have led you thus far. May the grace of the Lord continue to guide us all as we seek understanding through His Holy Word.

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Jess Placey

    David Wilkinson did you wright this article? If so it is one of the best and closest to the truth I’ve ever read. There are a few things missing, but the article stated that it wasn’t exhaustive. The pre-wrath rapture is indeed the only view the Bible supports. Unfortunately way too many are deceived by the pre trib view put forth by dispensationalists like Hal Lindsay and Charles Ryrie. They will be taken by surprise and not be prepared for what coming.

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    William Gibney

    is

  • Reply December 28, 2019

    Mark Livesey

    Lol they are going the wrong way.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    It's Inside You

    The Rapture happens after the Great Tribulation. That’s part of the truth about Christianity which nobody tells you! http://bit.ly/truthaboutxtianity

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    David Wilkinson great article , however my view is a post – trib / pre – wrath view. see pined time-line above and view below. Revelation is not in chronological order , but overlapping views culminating with the day of the Lord and the resurrection/rapture at the 6th/7th seal , 7th trumpet and 7th bowl:

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    David WilkinsonThe 6th Trumpet War starts , also called the 2nd Woe Revelation 9 – 11 and gives Israel all the land God promised Abraham in Genesis 15:18-21 .
    The 3rd Temple will be Rebuilt . The antichrist will stop the sacrifice and offering and sit in the Temple as God and set up the abomination of desolation and proclaim himself to be god (revealing himself) , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5.
    Matthew 24:15-21 : Jesus said “When you see the abomination that causes desolation (antichrist) , spoken of by the prophet Daniel , flee for then there will be great tribulation ( 3.5 years )”
    Matthew 24:29 – 31 Jesus said ” IMMEDIATELY after the Tribulation of those days (3.5 years of the antichrist tribulation) , end of 2nd Woe .
    The sun will be darkened the moon will turn to blood and the stars will fall from the sky. THEN you will see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and glory . And He will send his angels with a great TRUMPET call (The Feast of Trumpets on the 1st of Tishri , The Feast that NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR) and they will gather His ELECT (Born Again Christians) from the four winds (those of us who are alive and remain) , from one end of the Heavens to the other (dead in Christ ) this is the ( Resurrection / Rapture).
    We will be spared from The Hour of Wrath (15 days) God will pour out His 7 Thunders , Revelation 10 on the earth .
    Revelation 19 : We will be in Heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb and receiving and laying crowns at Jesus feet . 10 days later (The Feasts of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri) we will return with Jesus riding on white horses , dressed in white to The Battle of Armageddon.
    Revelation 20 ( On the 15th of Tishri The Feasts of Tabernacles ) Jesus will make us kings and priest with Him and He will rule and reign for 1,000 years O:)

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    also to answer your ? of who is the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2 , read my comment below David Wilkinson :

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    Who is the HE that witholds ?
    By Craig Theisen on Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM
    CORRECT TRANSLATION : For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he just now holds back , until he comes into being in the midst◄ 2 Thessalonians 2:7 ►
    NASB Lexicon
    he who now ἄρτι arti 737 just now
    he is taken γένηται genētai 1096 to come into being, to happen , to become
    out of the way. μέσου mesou 3319 middle, in the midst CORRECT TRANSLATION : For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he just now holds back , until he comes into being in the midst◄ 2 Thessalonians 2:7 ► NASB Lexicon he who now ἄρτι arti 737 just now he is taken γένηται genētai 1096 to come into being, to happen , to become out of the way. μέσου mesou 3319 middle, in the midst

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    “he” is a pronoun for the noun “the man of sin , the son of perdition”

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    The 6th Trumpet War starts , also called the 2nd Woe Revelation 9 – 11 and gives Israel all the land God promised Abraham in Genesis 15:18-21 .
    The 3rd Temple will be Rebuilt . The antichrist will stop the sacrifice and offering and sit in the Temple as God and set up the abomination of desolation and proclaim himself to be god (revealing himself) , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5.
    Matthew 24:15-21 : Jesus said “When you see the abomination that causes desolation (antichrist) , spoken of by the prophet Daniel , flee for then there will be great tribulation ( 3.5 years )”
    Matthew 24:29 – 31 Jesus said ” IMMEDIATELY after the Tribulation of those days (3.5 years of the antichrist tribulation) , end of 2nd Woe .
    The sun will be darkened the moon will turn to blood and the stars will fall from the sky. THEN you will see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and glory . And He will send his angels with a great TRUMPET call (The Feast of Trumpets on the 1st of Tishri , The Feast that NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR) and they will gather His ELECT (Born Again Christians) from the four winds (those of us who are alive and remain) , from one end of the Heavens to the other (dead in Christ ) this is the ( Resurrection / Rapture).
    We will be spared from The Hour of Wrath (15 days) God will pour out His 7 Thunders , Revelation 10 on the earth .
    Revelation 19 : We will be in Heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb and receiving and laying crowns at Jesus feet . 10 days later (The Feasts of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri) we will return with Jesus riding on white horses , dressed in white to The Battle of Armageddon.
    Revelation 20 ( On the 15th of Tishri The Feasts of Tabernacles ) Jesus will make us kings and priest with Him and He will rule and reign for 1,000 years O:)

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Stephen Steve Ramdhani

    It is going to be a visible glorious and powerful Mid-trib Second Coming and Resurrection of the just (Rapture). Lk. 17:29-36, Lk. 21:20-28, Mat. 24:29-31.

    Contrary to popular belief, Rev. 19:11 Coming of Christ is NOT the Second Coming, for it is not “unto salvation” as Heb. 9:28 says, for at that Coming He comes WITH the saints, and not FOR them.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Stephen Steve Ramdhani

    Based on Jesus’ teachings in Lk. 17:29-36 and Lk. 21:20-28, Daniel’s 70th week is, the Tribulation / Great Tribulation Period. He comes immediately after the Tribulation, or at the start of Great Tribulation, at the 6th Seal. The saints are in Heaven (Rev. 7:9-17) before the 7th Seal, the 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials come. Rev. 6:12-17.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Marry Luz Jamison

    For me i have no idea about rapture and i dont believe it

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation” of those days shall “the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light”, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And “then” shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and “then” shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send “his angels with a great sound of a trumpet”, and “they shall gather together his elect” from “the four winds”, from “one end of heaven to the other”.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    at the 6th/7th seal , 7th trumpet and 7th bowl on “The Day of The Lord”

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation” of those days shall “the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light”, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And “then” shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and “then” shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send “his angels with a great sound of a trumpet”, and “they shall gather together his elect” from “the four winds”, from “one end of heaven to the other”.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Joe Thorn

    Revelation 6:12-17 King James Version (KJV)
    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    7th trumpet:

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and “thy wrath is come”, and the “time of the dead”, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest “give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great”; and shouldest “destroy them which destroy the earth”.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    7th bowl :

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of “his wrath”.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    They all three start “The Day of The Lord”

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Vaka Tia

    Why worries just be prepare and be ready at all time

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Ben Gregg

    No rapture, no 2nd coming of anyone at anytime. Life will go on in some form or another until the Sun expands due to its depletion of hydrogen

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    John Prewett

    1 Peter 4:12-16 Modern

    12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that is taking place among you to test you, as though some strange thing happened to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you share in Christ’s sufferings, so that you may rejoice and be glad also in the revelation of His glory. 14 If you are reproached because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 Let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or an evildoer, or even as a busybody. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God because of it.

    preTrib is a major false prophecy of our era.

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Deheuly Casem

    rapture and tribulation is an illution of mind of. those who enterpreted the bible the truth is the message of Jesus

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Jimmy Truluck

    Kyle Hornsey Phillip English

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Bob Brown

    When did opinion trump Biblical Truth?

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Butch Fomby

    GOD DELIVERED HIS PEOPLE OUT OF EGYPT…. WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD I WILL PASS OVER YOU….GOD DELIVERED HIS PEOPLE FROM THE FLOOD…NOAH FOUND GRACE IN EYES OF THE LORD….GOD WILL DELIVER HIS PEOPLE FROM THE GREAT TRIBULATION THAT WILL COME UPON THE WHOLE WORLD….THAT’S GOD….BELIEVERS WILL BE AT THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB IN HEAVEN SAFE AND SECURE WHEN THE GREAT TRIBULATION COMES UPON ON THE EARTH….HALLELUJAH WHAT A GREAT AND MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE….AMEN…

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Craig Theisen

    The 6th Trumpet War starts , also called the 2nd Woe Revelation 9 – 11 and gives Israel all the land God promised Abraham in Genesis 15:18-21 .
    The 3rd Temple will be Rebuilt . The antichrist will stop the sacrifice and offering and sit in the Temple as God and set up the abomination of desolation and proclaim himself to be god (revealing himself) , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5.
    Matthew 24:15-21 : Jesus said “When you see the abomination that causes desolation (antichrist) , spoken of by the prophet Daniel , flee for then there will be great tribulation ( 3.5 years )”
    Matthew 24:29 – 31 Jesus said ” IMMEDIATELY after the Tribulation of those days (3.5 years of the antichrist tribulation) , end of 2nd Woe .
    The sun will be darkened the moon will turn to blood and the stars will fall from the sky. THEN you will see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and glory . And He will send his angels with a great TRUMPET call (The Feast of Trumpets on the 1st of Tishri , The Feast that NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR) and they will gather His ELECT (Born Again Christians) from the four winds (those of us who are alive and remain) , from one end of the Heavens to the other (dead in Christ ) this is the ( Resurrection / Rapture).
    We will be spared from The Hour of Wrath (15 days) God will pour out His 7 Thunders , Revelation 10 on the earth .
    Revelation 19 : We will be in Heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb and receiving and laying crowns at Jesus feet . 10 days later (The Feasts of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri) we will return with Jesus riding on white horses , dressed in white to The Battle of Armageddon.
    Revelation 20 ( On the 15th of Tishri The Feasts of Tabernacles ) Jesus will make us kings and priest with Him and He will rule and reign for 1,000 years O:)

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Phillip English

    Lol…..what?

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Ben Gregg

    Craig Theisen Man you’re really into this. Is it fun just trying to figure out amongst the myriad of beliefs what Revelation, Matthew and Daniel mean or do you really believe these are literal future events?

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Robert Hunt

    The real question is not when, but who will be ready? Here’s the nutshell version…

    https://ruready.blog/2018/03/01/the-readiness-rapture-its-not-just-another-rapture-theory/

  • Reply December 29, 2019

    Kyle Hornsey

    This article purports to discuss the Rapture and settle confusion but it does the opposite. The error starts very early where it is claimed that it is the AC who makes the covenant at the beginning of the 70th Week, then goes on to claim the AoD is a person not an image. At the bottom of all this confusion among Christians is the failure/refusal to recognise the profound difference b/w the Church and the nation of Israel, or even that God has not finished with them. Where does that error come from? Failure to understand the basic framework of Scripture in that God deals differently with mankind thru history and failure to understand the profound diff b/w the 3 patriarchs way back in Genesis – as taught by apostle Paul. In other words, the whole paradigm has to be unraveled to start all over again at the beginning. Sadly this proves too much for our pride.

  • Reply December 30, 2019

    Janie Jones

    I believe Jesus is coming back. I will make it my goal to be ready. Rapture theory is a lie and I stand by it.

  • Reply December 30, 2019

    Janie Jones

    I refuse to go down that wide road of a false rapture. I am numbering my days without confusion.

  • Reply January 1, 2020

    Paul Bortolazzo


    1. The Falling Away
    2. A Little Horn
    3. First Seal: The White Horse
    4. He Will Confirm A Covenant
    5. The Temple Of God
    6. Second Seal: The Red Horse
    7. The Great Harlot
    8. Third Seal: The Black Horse
    9. The Woman Having Twelve Stars
    10. The Restrainer
    11. A War In Heaven
    12. The Beast
    13. The False Prophet
    14. Fourth Seal: The Pale Horse
    15. The Great Tribulation: Satan’s Wrath
    16. The Two Witnesses
    17. First Angel: Preaching The Gospel
    18. Second Angel: Mystery Babylon Falls
    19. Third Angel: Do Not Worship The Beast
    20. Fifth Seal: Martyrdom
    21. The Valley of Jehoshaphat
    22. Sixth Seal: Sun, Moon, and Stars
    23. The Sign Of The Son Of Man
    24. The Coming of The Son of Man

  • Reply January 2, 2020

    Janie Jones

    The first white horse rider is the false christ

  • Reply January 3, 2020

    John Prewett

    preTrib is a false prophecy.

    Paul (and Jesus in Matt 24) was predicting that their own generation. Not ours.

    Only the Revelation reveas OUR end time scenario.

    http://www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/

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