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Troy Day | PentecostalTheology.com
Caesar’s Tax: Trump and Theology
Rome Had Caesar. America Has Trump. The People Were and Are Desperate.
If you want to understand why my neighbors voted for Trump, look to the Romans who cheered on Julius Caesar.
I teach ancient history at a small liberal arts college in the Midwest. One question I’m often asked when I tell p…
Varnel Watson
any good tax news yet? Stan Wayne Carl Murphy Ira Huth Jim Price Is it true
Estimate Economic Growth Would Rise Under Tax Plan, but Not Enough to Pay for Itself https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/francisclooney/blog/caesars-coin-very-little-we-owe-donald-trump-0
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2018 Tax Cut – lower middle class, medical insurance Jim Price
• Caesar’s to Caesar article – we do owe that much to Donald Trump
• Doubling of the standard deduction to ~$24,000
• Increasing child credit to $2,000
• What about schools and education?
• Affecting churches and non-profits
Ira Huth
Here some Brother Troy Day just ran across it.
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/november/study-shows-senate-tax-reform-plan-would-help-the-middle-class
Varnel Watson
Well that much we know As I told Street Preacherz I am all for it
Street Preacherz
Im glad you are having such a good time.
Varnel Watson
Jim Price you’ve been very outspoken before about social sec., church non-profit, tax and old. How’s the new tax code affecting churches? Carl Murphy
Jim Price
After the final bill is written and passed i’ll study the church and then respond.
Varnel Watson
Carl Pretty sure FOX news mentioned briefly churches when the bill was passed. They did not elaborated much. This was over 2 week ago and there has not been anything else on that since
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GOP bill allows churches to back candidates, keep tax status Churches should have the First Amendment right to endorse political candidates and still keep their tax-free status, say House Republicans The transit authority might have reconsidered its ban on the Catholic Church’s advertisement … Should Harboring illegal aliens cost churches tax status? http://video.foxnews.com/v/5644041744001/
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Carl Murphy Stan Wayne WithThe GOP tax bill is straight out of 1929. Jimmy Humphrey Jim Price https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/30/im-a-depression-historian-the-gop-tax-bill-is-straight-out-of-1929/?utm_term=.f3e1b1439c25&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
“There are those who believe that if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests upon them.”
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Ira Huth
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160036633095393&id=140647865392
Varnel Watson
Graham may be authority on preaching but certainly not on politics. Actually, Graham son can preach that good either
Ira Huth
#1 I believe several in the Church of God that heard him preach at our General Assembly a few years back would disagree with you. We shouldn’t preach to be performance driven, we should preach with the heart and the love of God, respecting each other regardless of what our opinions are. #2 Franklin Graham is one of thousands of ministers with the same politics. Politics that line up with the Word of God, discerning through the Holy Spirit with truthful facts. Instead of lining up with and believing some of the propaganda and lies that come from the Washington Post and other secular liberal sources.
Ira Huth
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=952226454925910&id=892390640909492
Varnel Watson
Ira are you referring to Florida when he did not even give an altar call at the end? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/02/senate-passes-major-tax-reform-package.html Whats up with Bob Corker Now then Carl Murphy Stan Wayne Jan Dixon Sykes Trump I do not know, but I do know Bob Corker of Tn very well. He is a man of integrity whom many of us have trusted for many years now If Bob took a stand against the whole Republic party then there’s something fishy with it (though I cannot out my finger on anything I dont like just yet)
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Carl Murphy Stan Wayne “There are two ideas of government,” William Jennings Bryan declared in his 1896 “Cross of Gold” speech. “There are those who believe that if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests upon them.”
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Nelson Banuchi This is what I tried to express though my point was not well received but is true in my personal observation
When Bill Clinton proposed a modest increase in the top marginal tax rate in his 1993 budget, every Republican voted against it. Trickle-down economists proclaimed that it would lead to economic disaster. But the tax increase on the wealthy was followed by one of the greatest periods of prosperity in American history and resulted in a budget surplus. When the Republicans came back into power in 2001, the administration of George W. Bush pushed the opposite policies, which had invariably produced calamity in the past. Predictably, that happened again in 2008.
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So whats the final tally Carl Murphy Stan Wayne Jim Price
Double standard deduction
Not mandatory health insurance
What about churches?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gop-tax-bill-passes-congress-as-trump-prepares-to-sign-it-into-law/2017/12/20/0ba2fd98-e597-11e7-9ec2-518810e7d44d_story.html
Varnel Watson
The reason 4th of july fireworks got rained out again 🙂
Tom Torbeyns
Another take: https://www.facebook.com/brojed/posts/10156439065673917:0
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Last year, Trump signed the “Presidential Executive Order Promoting Free Speech and Religious Liberty.” Since then he has moved the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Hopefully, he has made peace with North Korea and GOD
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However, through the 19th and 20th centuries, premillenarianism became the major eschatological view among Protestants. As a result, a major reversal in theology of politics, from Calvinistic theology of politics which sees them as advancing the Kingdom of God, to a more pietistic theology of politics was observed. Saving souls became a priority before saving societies, thus promoting a pessimistic eschatological view. Such was taken by most missionaries of the 19th and 20th century whose ministries originated in the mission efforts of premillennial congregations and denominations.
Tom Torbeyns
I think there’s a lot to say for Christ’s everlastingly increasing Kingdom (Isaiah + the great commission at the end of Matthew) and the believers “subduing kingdoms” (Hebrews)
Varnel Watson
Say it Tom Hope it aint about Kingdom now theology 🙂
Tom Torbeyns
Absolutely not 😉 Not in the NAR sense and all that modern stuff
Varnel Watson
We’ll kingdom now is not NAR only. NAR adopted kingdom-now which comes from very, very reformed theological roots. It’s application in the current political stage of history however is hardly reformed
Tom Torbeyns
If it’s reformed, it’s probably wrong, stemming from Augustine…
Varnel Watson
Well for most Augustine is right Luther promoted it though and Calvin as well. I actually had someone argue in this group Augustine was wrong 🙂 Have to find it again