theology November 25, 2020 Pentecostal response to the migrant Mayflower Caravan on Thanksgiving Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post What should be the Pentecostal response to the migrant caravan? caravanmayflowermigrantpentecostalresponsethanksgivingthetheology PentecostalTheology .com Previous articleLet the Holy Spirit Use You in Prayer Next article400th Anniversary of Pilgrims’ New World Arrival: How Their Faith in Liberty Shaped a Nation 62 Comments Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2018/11/02/christians-should-see-migrant-caravan-bibles-call-honor-dignity-all-humanity/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3eeba7077ca3 Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Matthew 25:31-46 says it all. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Your statement Pentecostal response is exactly what it says it’s being led by the Ruach ha Kodesh! We have not stopped anyone from coming into our country, but they must come the legal way, not the illegal way. When Israel moves from Egypt to the promised land, in their 42 stops during the journey, many people from many nation joined the exodus, however the difference is they were all subjected to the belief and worship system of the Hebrews. Most of them coming are Catholics, which is a cult, they are waving their own country flags, ignoring our warning, they will overrun our schools, welfare system and become a generation of entitlement people. We must protect our nation with laws. God is a God of order and laws, and he expects us to follow and obey them, both spiritual and natural. The President should set up tent cities in every community and neighborhood of those politicians who don’t support our laws. Have you seen the filth the illegals have deposited in some of the cities of refuge. The President should also cut off all financial aid to those countries who cant control the population along with blocking all remittance (billions $$$)going back to those. Some say those countries will die, then let it die, some have to die for the better and some have to be born for the better. That’s my thought! Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Isnt the legal way of Ruach ha Kodesh coming through the border crossing just like any other political asylum in our history? Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; The legal procedure is to come to a border station and apply or (if you can’t reach a station) cross the border, surrender to arrest, and apply. If you’re going for anything other than asylum and/or you get rejected for asylum, you get returned back across the border. We’ve gotta change the procedure for unsponsored refugees (N.B.: a lot of the Florida GOP vote rides boats to the shore, gets arrested, and gets asylum from the Cuban government), but that’s how it works in the meantime. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; To follow and submit to the authorities and laws of this great country! Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Open Arms. In the mind first and foremost. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Make an ARK and SHIP them BACK! Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; OBEY THE LAW & GO HOME !!! Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; I love how all these champions of law and order support a criminal pussy-grabbing fraud for president. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; I’d say this feed represents the very biggest problem in this country! People like to fight over their beliefs and insult each other instead of having any love or goodness in their hearts. If we all would just fix ourselves instead of trying to fix our brother, the country would run smoothly. Part of repentance is taking responsibility for the fact that our problems are our own fault. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; I’ve written about it here: https://pcpj.org/2018/11/02/a-caravan-of-gods-beloved/ Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Micael Grenholm Jan Dixon Sykes is it NOT possible to feed, clothe and care for these asylums before or even without letting them in the country? What/WHO is stopping the church of doing that? Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Why would you say Pentecostal response / and not christian response.. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Follow the laws, and come in legally!!! Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Whosoever will let them come Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Straight is the gate and narrow is the way Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Not a fan of the guy but make some interesting points on how we are using our resources…. https://youtu.be/TUMc4cVuexw Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; Many people would choose to stay in their country, but violence, oppression and poverty often make this impossible. Whenever life, health and stability of people are at risk, they have the right to migrate. Migration is a survival strategy, but almost all migrants pay a very high emotional, economic and physical price for choosing this strategy. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; You need to research this. You are wrong. Romans 12v13 Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; The people in the caravan aren’t like the other migrants before then. They are violent, demand food and clothing. Here in Mexico at first they were received with open arms but now everybody wants them out of the country (back to Honduras). It seems that there are big interests behind them pushing and agenda, even non christian people see it clearly. They shouldn’t be allowed to enter the US and my government should enforce our southern border with Guatemala. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; It’s an organized political move. We own land.on the boarder.between Guatemala and Honduras. There was.organized payments made.to each participant. The Guatemala police tried to stop them but the.bad.guys have.bigger.guns than the government. Reply November 16, 2018 Guest; RT Angel Ruiz Ron Hamm interesting that a México with its limited resources offered Asylum… And America is more worried about an invitation… What do you think Gerardo? Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; Acts 17:26 ….and He made from one man every nation of mankind(mark every nation) to live on all the face of the earth…..HAVING DETERMINED THEIR APPOINTED TIMES AND …..THE BOUNDARIES OF THEIR HABITATION……. Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; Perhaps we shold encourage “citizenship stations” instead of just tents for them. This way they could begin the process for legal citizenship. Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; So Jan Dixon Sykes are you saying this is the Biblical answer? Are you like these “christians”? https://pulpitandpen.org/2018/11/02/the-biblical-answer-to-migrant-caravan-is-bombs-and-bullets Isara Mo Gerardo de Dominicis I have to agree with what Valerie Hernandez de Ortizsaid throughout the entire old testament His word has been to welcome the foreigner and those in need. Your argument falls short for God’s immeasurable mercy. Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; bro Sean T. Hawkey can you post us some of your videos here please I did not see any gang on them at all Thanks! Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; Lay hands on them Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; For a group posing itself as Pentecostal theologians, I am amazed at the naivete, the lifting of scriptures out of context, the complete over-simplification, the straw man arguments and complete whitewashing of an obviously political ploy to gain entrance into the US by some avowed political anarchists. There is NO QUESTION there are people in the caravan that are genuinely seeking something better for their lives. Those people should be granted emigration. However, let us give at least passing thought to the composition and structure of these groups. In virtually ever caravan group, the women and their children are at the forefront so they can be most easily seen by the cameras. Smart ploy via trojan horse motif. Then, behind them are almost exclusively young military age males, many with attitudes and/or weapons of some sort. Note as well, the aggressiveness of these males when they come to a barricade: 1. At the Mexican border, they threw rocks at the police and tore down the barricades. It should be noted that when they got there, they strategically moved the women and children somewhat to the rear, gathered rocks and other items to throw/shoot and attacked the Mexican police attending the barricades. Now, think for just a moment. Does that sound/look like the behavior of genuine migrants who want to come into a country simply for the betterment of their lives, or could there possibly be ulterior motives here. It appears there is an underlying attitude that we don’t care what your laws are, we are coming in… 2. Then look at what happened in San Diego when several climbed the fence. They sat atop the barricade, cursing border patrol, local police and Army personnel and continually assaulted with inappropriate hand gestures. This is not the behavior of anyone who simply wants better circumstances. They have an agenda and it is not benevolent. Consider further, that various newscast have identified members of MS 13 and other criminal elements embedded within this group. What is their agenda? Surely, you are not so naive as to think they have benevolent intent. There are other issues as well. Consider that multiple news reports have identified multiple contingents of non-Latinos blended in this group, posing as Hondurans for the purpose of better living conditions. Further consider the law when it comes to asylum. Political asylum, internationally, is recognized as grantable only by the country adjacent to the emigree’s country of origin. They are NOT legally eligible for asylum from Honduras or Guatemala, only from Mexico. Mexico offered political asylum, welfare and assistance in finding employment to all who so identified themselves. Only a handful accepted. Now if their motives were pure, why did they not follow international law and accept the asylum Mexico proposed. Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; Richard Lindsey Isara Mo Jan Dixon Sykes JESUS didn’t say: “I was a stranger and you welcomed me because I had papers.” “I was a stranger and you welcomed me because I was from your country. “I was a stranger and you welcomed me because I looked like you.” “I was a stranger and you welcomed me because there was no risk to you.” “I was a stranger and you welcomed me because you weren’t afraid.” No. Jesus said, “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” –Fr. James Martin SJ, from Matthew 25 Gerardo de Dominicis see this https://vimeo.com/299371315 Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; I just recently read the Old Testament and when a bunch of foreigners came into Israel God usually told the righteous kings to repel them. If sending for judgment, he said they would lose. If they violate the laws to get here, they won’t follow the laws when they are here. Even the stranger that came to Israel had to follow the laws except[t for the ceremonial laws. People need to read the book Reply November 17, 2018 Guest; Are you equating the covenant laws (given in grace and mercy) with our present immigrations laws, such as they are? I’ll always side on mercy, not Nationalism’. Reply November 18, 2018 Guest; WELL all I’m saying is the Church should do something Reply November 18, 2018 Guest; I would need to research the the organization funding it. And also just pray about it. Like what are their true motives. Mostly I feel like they can’t come in to our country. So I would pray that they are dispersed before they get to us Because we don’t know who they are or if there are any terrorists in that group . Over all our job is to pray as christians so that’s pretty much what I’ve been doing about it. Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; prayer for a peaceful resolve. If you are in a geographical location where you can offer humanitarian aid, do so to those who need it, especially to the children. No doubt there are some bad hombre’s mixed in but, it is not our job to judge. We have laws in place to take care of the legal aspect of the situation. As Christians, we should look at it as an opportunity to help the needy. Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; The response should come from the spirit and not the flesh Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; Even if this was a political plot, this is human value. Because the people on the caravan are not wealthy. If someone gave them a penny to do it, whatever they would have received is not enough for what they are going through, both in the caravan and on their countries. About a year ago I met this kid, he was 13, in Georgia. He recently came from El Salvador. Trying to chit chat with him as I found out he was new to the states I ask him how he was adapting to his new life. His response shocked me to the core “At least now I get to sleep”. It turns out that a gang claim him and gave his mother time to surrendered him, otherwise they would kill them both. That’s how it works when gangs want someone to join them. He wanted to attend school so he would sneak out of the house during the early hours of the day before 4 am, he would jump the fence and wait on school ground for hours for it to open. Then he would return home after midnight, because gang members would come looking for him constantly. I don’t care for the laws of the land if they violate the grace and mercy of God. Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; Angel Ruiz Ron Culbreth https://www.newsweek.com/us-rabbis-lead-pilgrimage-border-protest-trumps-treatment-migrants-1212027 Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; Our borders is just that our borders! Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; Still waiting for you to tell us what you personally are going to do about the migrants at our border, Troy. You are the one who brought the topic up. So what are you going to do? Not what do you think, or wish, or feel, but what are you going to DO? Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; To love people and to provide for the oppressed . But also to call out evil done by criminals. Reply November 19, 2018 Guest; Okay, I’m realizing I’m wasting my time discussing topics here. I’ve asked you several times, Troy, what you personally are going to do about the migrants at the border. If you don’t answer by this time tomorrow, I need to exit your forum and discuss topics with those who answer direct questions. Reply November 20, 2018 Guest; https://churchleaders.com/news/337415-caravan-in-mexico-pastor-wanted-know-truth-about-migrant-caravan-so-he-joined-it.html Reply November 20, 2018 Guest; Jan Dixon Sykes Larry Dale Steele Joshua A. Humphries IF GOD didnt want them to come here per the OT wall thing He would have destroyed them with fire and brimstone BEFORE they every GOT to the wall – but by the Grace of GOD here they are. What now? Reply November 20, 2018 Guest; I’m just going to say this about it we go to there country preach the gospel tell them about the goodness of Good .. So we act like it’s ok to love them as long as it’s own our terms Reply November 20, 2018 Guest; Larry Dale Steele THEOLOGICALLY speaking the current situation with the CARAVAN at our BORDER embodies the Sinking of Cross-cultural Bridges and the Collapse of the “Western Theological Corpus” Bridges to people and culture do not work any longer because they never touch the water of troubled cross-cultural issues. For the same reason, contextual theology does not work any more – once faced with the deep cross-cultural crises of faith and conviction, it sinks with no hope. We have long observed the collapse of the “Western Theological Corpus,” as Andrew Walls calls the structural problem in missions today. Main reason for its collapse is the failure to give answers to the theological questions emerging from the Global South. As a result, the colonial approach of doing missions, resonating in imperialistic cross-cultural ministry and ethnic conquest for assimilation of cultures, all have failed both the indigenous people and the mission sending agencies. Prayer has hence turned into a protest and prophecy for a new reality, where the encounter of missions is no less than the very cross-roads where we encounter God and others together. Reply November 21, 2018 Guest; https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/1962056187182720/?comment_id=1962485600473112 Reply November 21, 2018 Guest; A tent revival in Mexico Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; Quite disturbing on Christmas day Bonnie Louise Brown, arrested today for defending migrants’ rights to seek asylum. https://www.telemundo.com/noticias/2018/12/10/arrestan-32-manifestantes-que-defendian-los-migrantes-de-la-caravana-en-la?fbclid=IwAR1RwTNGuXYwyyvjWgmRPjFWIjRSqulQ02cEY0EeJlz5l7wSpkqpx4SlXq4 Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; We should encourage Christians to move to Central America to help make it a more livable place. Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; Pretty sad Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; Can’t think for yourself huh? Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; ppl in priestly attire walking aside the migrant caravan What should be the Pentecostal response to the caravan? Reply December 25, 2018 Guest; Pray for safety. Any who make it to the US we should reach out to with kindness and the gospel. Reply December 26, 2018 Guest; Jeffry Woolston instead of praying for safety the church is playing it safe and not doing much Shouldnt the church make sure these migrants are allowed to proper asylum rules like anyone else? Reply December 28, 2018 Guest; Larry Dale Steele WWJD with the migrant caravan? Reply December 29, 2018 Guest; Reply December 29, 2018 Guest; An elder of the church must be a lover of foreigners. Reply December 31, 2018 Guest; Get on that Gospel Train!!!! Reply December 31, 2018 Guest; Is it the church’s job to break the law in order to extend grace? Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.