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Comparing this authors thesis on “removal mentality that caused Pentecostals to separate themselves from the world; an idea that was in many ways foreign to the ministry of Jesus” and “we are called to pull the future vision of the fully-realized kingdom into the present” with Dr. R. Hollis Gause’s 2014 General Council #RAPTURE presentation:
“Is this escapism? No it is God’s provision. Is it escape? Yes – Escape from judgment to receive glory – Escape from hell and death to receive heaven and everlasting life – I can live – live eternally – with that kind of escape. http://cupandcross.com/dr-hollis-gause-pre-tribulation-rapture/
and thinking that THERE’s just NO ROOM for COMPARISON…
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 9:27 AM]
Ricky Grimsley are you asking John B. Gaither about 2 Thessalonians 2:3 confirming the Rapture will take place before the revealing of the Antichrist and Paul speaking of “that day” as the Second Coming of Christ and not the Rapture? http://beginningandend.com/is-the-antichrist-revealed-before-the-rapture/
Timothy Carter [11/20/2015 10:09 AM]
Dr. R Hollis Gause is one of the best scholars this world has ever seen. (I counted a great privilege of having known this man. )
The work which he leaves for us is phenomenal. Gause has a way of taking the most complex issues and explaining them so gently so that a three year old child can understand. He writes with such grace and wisdom.
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:17 AM]
Obviously two events are described in verse one but he is “beseeching” you by both of them. They are back to back events that preceded the “day of the lord”.
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 10:18 AM]
they cannot be back-to-back events if there are events between them
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:21 AM]
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 10:21 AM]
like the 7 years of the Tribulation and evrything in it #BOOM
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:30 AM]
So what does 2 thessalonians actually say in plain English
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 10:34 AM]
What exactly is not clear there? Are you saying 2 Thessalonians 2:3 confirms the Rapture will take place before the revealing of the Antichrist?
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:35 AM]
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:36 AM]
Where does the rapture fit in matthew 24.
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:37 AM]
The rapture begins the day of the lord.
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 10:37 AM]
So do you have a full eschatological plan to back that up or is this just a partial statement? i.e. order of events or what’s after what in your last day understanding?
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 10:49 AM]
Matthew24, luke21, mark13 rev 6 all have the same order. False christs, wars, famines, death, persecution, the gospel reaches the whole world, then jesus comes
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 12:04 PM]
so where do you place the rapture of the church in your order?
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 12:11 PM]
Sometime after the midpoint but before the wrath of god. Also the 7 year period will be shortened (matt. 24:22) but that time will be returned to satan after the millennium as the (short season) when he tempts the nations. We are not appointed to wrath but i believe that means god’s wrath.
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 1:56 PM]
so basically you’re pre-mil but b/w mid and post rapture; like around 2/3 or 3/4 rapture, right? Rick Wadholm Jr
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 2:22 PM]
Something like that.
John Kissinger [11/20/2015 2:39 PM]
Do you mean twothirdial or triquatrial rapture – anything else would be a splithairian eschatology. BTW have you seen the teaching where they are saying the 3/4 of the horseman are already out except the anti-Christ? Timothy Carter
Ricky Grimsley [11/20/2015 2:44 PM]
I dont believe that the tribulation has started but its possible. Here is the best i have heard if anyone wants to listen and critique it.
Charles Page [11/20/2015 6:19 PM]
Timothy, Bowdle was Keswick Reformed (personally told me) what was Hollis Gause?
Timothy Carter [11/21/2015 1:51 AM]
Dr. Gauge is pre- tribe traditional
Dr.Jeremy Love You know both of these men. Are we correct?
John Kissinger [11/21/2015 6:52 AM]
Timothy Carter Ricky Grimsley John UpChurch Do you agree with OP that “”removal mentality that caused Pentecostals to separate themselves from the world; an idea that was in many ways foreign to the ministry of Jesus” ???
Ricky Grimsley [11/21/2015 7:09 AM]
Yes i think most christians go to church and expect all the sinners to come to them. Almost prideful that they no affiliations with sinners.
John Kissinger [11/21/2015 8:16 AM]
So is this the alternative? “we are called to pull the future vision of the fully-realized kingdom into the present” #dontTHINKso
Jeremy Love [11/21/2015 10:49 AM]
Timothy Carter I am quite certain that Dr. Gause was pre trib but of all the conversations I had with him, this subject never came up.