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– In the early church, was the Last Supper Considered a Passover Feast?
– The meaning of παρασκευή (‘day of preparation’)
– Luke 22:16 – Did Jesus say he was not going to eat THAT Passover?
– Do Idioms Used in the Crucifixion Narrative Resolve the “3 Day/3 Night” Objections?
1. Question:
Is “day of” an idiomatic expression, meaning “general time”?
Why does Luke say the day of the Passover came, when it had not?
Is there any historical evidence, or grammatical rules, that may suggest that this phrase was often used imprecisely, idiomatically?
- Then came the Day of: …
- Then came the Feast of: …
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Is it possible that: “It’s the Feast of Passover!” – may have have been understood the same way that we understand: “It’s Christmas Time!”, (a generalization, not necessarily the actual day);
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Are Verb Tenses Significant? (“Then came:“, Aorist, Imperfect, etc.)
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Are there any historical texts, that either confirm or refute this argument?
2. The Text:
NASB, Luke 22:1 – Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching.
Passover Came:
NASB, Luke 22:7 – Then came, (Ἦλθεν, Aorist Tense) the day
But It Had Not, Yet? :
NASB, Luke 23:17 – Now [Pilate] was obliged to release to them (at / κατὰ) the feast one prisoner.
John 19:31 – Then the Jews, because it was, (Imperfect Tense) the day of preparation, … for a Great Day was that Sabbath.
3. Research in Progress – Feel Free to Use:
Homilies on Matthew (Chrysostom), Homily 81 – And this one calls the day before the feast of unleavened bread, Luke 22:7 speaking of the time when they came to Him, and another says on this wise, Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed; by the word came, meaning this, it was near, it was at the doors, making mention plainly of that evening. For they began with the evening, wherefore also each adds, when the passover was killed.
Note: Although Augustine, (354-439) cited Chrysostom as an authority – I feel that what Chrysostom, (349-407) wrote is not conclusive because those works were not contemporaneous with the New Testament.
Anonymous
And why is Pat Robertson so special?
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Chuck Dyksterhouse because thou art not TELL us all about it William DeArteaga
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Troy Day How come God speaks to Pat Robinson and not me? Chapter and Verse please.
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Chuck Dyksterhouse God do not speak to you? You are the only one knowing the answer to this one brother No one else knows it
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Chuck Dyksterhouse it was a miracle how Pat got his first TV station. I watched him until he sold out in the early 80s, but before that he was solid.
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Troy Day Chapter and verse pleased.
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John Mushenhouse I once attended a service at Oril Roberts, because he was preaching. No Scripture but a lot of I’s
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Chuck Dyksterhouse well I had a friend who had a weekly show on the network – A couple of months before the sell out, the cost of buying time jacked up four or five times. He couldn’t afford it. Knowing that he would sell later, it was a game to get the religious folks off before they signed new contracts when the secular company took over. The only program left was the 700 club. What was up with that.
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Chuck Dyksterhouse are you even saved and entirely sanctified ?
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Undeserving but highly favored, thanks to our Lord and Savior – Jesus Christ. Why would you ask?
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Troy Day I am undeserving but highly favored, thanks to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am also Sanctified, by the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Why would you ask?
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Troy Day I am still waiting for you to provide the Scripture that God speaks directly to believers other than through the Bible.
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Chuck Dyksterhouse Chapter and verse WHY God do not speak to you?
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Troy Day He does; every time I read His Word, which I do each and every day. That’s all I need to believe.
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I just posted this to my FB buddies: On Dr. Pat Robertson’s eulogies:
By now most Christian in the US have heard the Pat Robertson (b. 1930) died on the 6th of this month. He was a distinguished leader of the worldwide Charismatic Renewal, founding CBN network and Regent University, both epic milestones in the spread of Spirit-filled Christianity. You may have noted how some of the secular media mocked his achievement and highlighted his errors, especially his espousal of the false prophecies regarding Trump’s reelection in 2020. In these presentations the false prophecies “proved” that all he did was a form of fanatical Evangelicalism.
That a great saint or leader of the Faith falls into false prophecy is not strange or new to the Church, although it surprises Christian who pay little attention to Church history. A relatively recent example of major Christian figure issuing false prophecy is found in the career of David Wilkerson (1931- 2011). He founded Teen Challenge, and was the author of the Cross and the Switchblade, one of the most anointed and influential Christian books in history. But he also issued several false prophecies that could have done serious damage to the budding Charismatic Renewal had they been taken seriously. I discuss this and other issues of false prophecy in my book, America in Danger, Left and Right. Suffice it to say that anyone in Christian leadership position should be warry of issuing prophesies, especially ones that meets one’s hopes, preferences (prejudices) and expectations. Many Christians, like Dr. Robertson, prophesized that Trump would win the 2020 election and serve 8 consecutive years not because they heard from the Holy Spirit, but because they deeply wanted that to be true and mistook their yearnings for the voice of the Spirit. The wave of ridiculous false prophesies that came out of the 2020 election, as in the “Army will arrest and try Biden and Hilary Clinton,” has soiled the believability of true prophecy and added ridicule of the Church, especially in the eyes of unbelievers. Beware.
Anonymous
William DeArteaga when he sold his tv stations I called and they said something about content. The first show on the TV station in Dallas was a war movie. He got lots of money.
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William DeArteaga
Suffice it to say that anyone in Christian leadership position should be warry of issuing prophesies, especially ones that meets one’s hopes, preferences (prejudices) and expectations. //
Very wise.
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SO GOD dont speak to Chuck Dyksterhouse So sad John Mushenhouse
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Troy Day God speaks to me each and every day; through His Word. I am suspect of any man who claims God speaks directly to him other than through Scripture.
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Chuck Dyksterhouse in what other way specifically? What are you asking exactly – you need BIBLE verse for what precisely here and now ?
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Troy Day That God directly to his people other that through His Word, the Bible.
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Chuck Dyksterhouse yes God directly but what exactly ?
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Troy Day That He is Sovereign and because of that I will serve Him each and every day of my life.
Anonymous
That is one of Pat Robertson’s serious theological flaws:
God never told him any such thing.
The only things he learned are found in Scripture, and PR got a number of those wrong.
Anonymous
Pat Robertson was never good at prophecy and prophecies he gave often failed..
This should be a lesson for all of us..never put into God’s mouth things God never said..
Unfortunately, there are too many would-be prophets out there who believe that God speaks to them, personally.
There are no more prophets and we don’t need any.
The Bible is enough.
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Why do you believe God spoke to Pat ?
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Isara Mo Why dont you and Duane L Burgess Philip Williams ???
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No, He did not.
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Duane L Burgess and why not?
Anonymous
Before he told him that he didn’t.
Anonymous
Presidential debate
Five Republicans have qualified for the third 2024 presidential debate set for Wednesday in Miami. They are former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott. Missing from the debate stage will be North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who both failed to meet the criteria. Former Vice President Mike Pence, who qualified for the first two debates, dropped out of the Republican primary last month. Donald Trump, the front-runner, is skipping the debate as he did the two previous ones. He is slated to host a rally in South Florida as counterprogramming instead. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/us/5-things-to-know-for-nov-7-trump-trial-israel-presidential-debate-actors-strike-ukraine/index.html
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Jeffrey Snyder call in dandy Dan back in the group NOW that Trump Leads in 5 Critical States as Voters Blast Biden https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2023-11-02/trump-condemns-efforts-to-remove-him-from-the-ballot-under-insurrection-clause