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NEW COMBINED TOPIC ON NAR (old one was deleted by facebook – )

3 recent posts brought together a combined topic on NAR, Social Gospel and Liberation Theology, which have an influential place in the Pentecostal tradition. William DeArteaga republished a 1996 interview with the author of Fire from Heaven, John Kissinger reported Cuba’s new opening for Bibles and religion and John Ruffle touched on the topic of New Apostolic Reformation.

Post 1: Dr. Harvey Cox (Baptist) of HDS wrote his book Fire from Heaven as a response to his previous work The Secular City in which he basically declared the end of the Christian religion as we know it. His observations were predominantly among South American Pentecostals who came out of the Social Gospel movement with certain trends and/or affiliation toward Liberation Theology. More specifically, he wrote about the Pentecostal revival in Brazil, which claimed over 2mln. members during that time. Cox had limited observation on North American Pentecostalism and virtually no observations on European and African Pentecostalism, or even the Asian Pentecostal movement, which at that time was much stronger than any other Pentecostal group in the world.

Post 2: Cuba was closed for Christianity during the Social Gospel era, but many report that Russian global export of communism affected Liberation Theology even in relevance to some communist countries (as Cuba) where religion was otherwise long banned.

Post 3: Fresh out of Fuller Seminary, with some years of missionary experience in South America, Dr. Peter Wagner established the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Like Cox, Wagner took what he observed within South American liberation theology and brought it a step further. Perhaps for this very reason, the new apostolic theology (oddly combining gifts and ministries of the Spirit with reformed post-millennial eschatology) greatly appeals to Pentecostal movements in countries which were somehow organizationally oppressed (post-communist, ex-colonies, etc.).

Is there a connection between these three theological trends, in your opinion? If so, what is it and does it chart a new theological direction among Pentecostals in North America, in other geographical regions or even globally? And most importantly, what follows next?

John Kissinger [12/08/2015 9:31 AM]

John Kissinger [12/08/2015 10:06 AM]
What better way for Moscow to discredit Marcuse than have his student GUTIERREZ write a know-how book on Christian Revolution i.e. Social Gospel Liberation Theology? At least in the case of Venezuela, Chavez, KGB and liberation theology are very well connected

Terry Wiles [12/08/2015 10:51 AM]
They greatly appeal to the people in oppressed countries simply because their religious leaders, I won’t call them apostles, come to power with twisted words and false prophesies and saturate the television (much lower cost) and put their people under greater bondage while they get fat cat rich.

The NAR in the counties I serve in Central and South America is better described by the words of Jesus in Mathew 24. “Many false prophets will arise and deceive many”

John Kissinger [12/10/2015 12:02 PM]
Is Barth saying the opposite of Wagner ? In the Church of Jesus Christ there can and should be no non-theologians. ~Karl Barth

John Kissinger [12/10/2015 1:37 PM]
just for reference (as reminded just now by William DeArteaga )

John Kissinger [12/10/2015 2:42 PM]
what do you think about KGB and liberation theology Link ?

Link Hudson [12/10/2015 6:34 PM]
Sounds likely that they are behind it. Modern feminist thought has also been highly influenced by Marxist philosophy. Women take the place of the poor proles. This serves as a good warning against allowing us to be too influenced by the winds of doctrine in our culture when interpreting scripture.

John Kissinger [12/10/2015 6:39 PM]
read the whole thing before you cross-post Link Hudson

Link Hudson [12/10/2015 11:46 PM]
John Kissinger

Link Hudson [12/10/2015 11:47 PM]
I don’t know what you mean by that comment. Did you read my post? The article about Lewis is interesting, but it’s a different topic.


  • Varnel Watson
    Reply November 28, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Dan Irving Seems NAR has too entered a new prophetic level after the 2016 elections – 4 out of the 7 mountains now reclaimed; or it just seems this way?

    • Dan Irving
      Reply November 28, 2017

      Dan Irving

      I’ll look at this tonight

    • Varnel Watson
      Reply November 28, 2017

      Varnel Watson

      one thing is for sure William DeArteaga Cuba was not as open as CT claimed last year. Our work in the area claims much opposition especially against our AG churches there Cuba was closed for Christianity during the Social Gospel era, but many report that Russian global export of communism affected Liberation Theology even in relevance to some communist countries (as Cuba) where religion was otherwise long banned.

  • Varnel Watson
    Reply December 1, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Any new evidence here? Dan Irving

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