Menzies and Horton on sanctification and the baptism

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Menzies and Horton on sanctification and the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

12 Comments

  • Reply August 12, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    I would like to see more than a paragraph out of this book.

  • Reply August 16, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    Scotty These books cost money And are all copyrighted We cant just post them and break the law now can we? If the author dont allow it its against the law

  • Reply August 17, 2018

    Scotty Searan

    I don’t believe i asked to post the whole book.
    But i would like to read it in context before giving an opinion.
    Oh yes, Troy Day if you posted a quote without permission even though you said who the authors was you are breaking the law the same as if you would have posted the whole thing.

  • Reply August 17, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    I believe you said:

    I would like to see more than a paragraph out of this book.

    http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/menzies-and-horton-on-sanctification-and-the-baptism/

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    RichardAnna Boyce I’ve done some work in isolating the sanctification issue with AG in America – how is it with AG other places? Australia? Philippines where I understand to be a split of doctrine BTW are you part of the HillSong AG movement there?

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    Australian AOG are more independent and have changed name of local churches to avoid poison chalice of AOG. So AOG HO is known as Hillsong, which promotes Grace Revolution seminars of Joseph Prince for last decade. In Australia i go to an independent Pentecostal non denominational church teaching Free Grace. In Philippines Aog is split down middle, and taking each other to Supreme court over next decade, not on theology but toxic egos of two leaders, who used to be close friends. They strictly follow USA AOG who takes sides with the side currently losing in the secular court system! AOG missionaries tend to be independent; so i class myself as AOG missionary, being elders with my wife, in Free Grace church started by 4 young ex AOG pastors who graduated at AOG Bible school where we taught. There is a cultural split recently in Phil AOG, with 1 side addicted to Cryptocurrency pyramid schemes; which have recently been banned by Phil President, because his friend, the richest pastor in world, Quiboloy, cult leader, had been losing members to Cryptocurrency pyramid schemes. Other side of AOG ban their pastors from getting involved in these schemes. So we are experiencing God shaking up Phil AOG in the last 8 years we have been missionaries here.

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    I have posted the 10 beliefs of Free Grace that are different from AOG USA, on your previous post on this subject

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    Free Grace doesnt have copyright on their material as far as i’m aware. They just ask that you copy it right so that everyone can read it and ask Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth.

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    2 Corinthians 1:20-22 Jesus Christ is God’s eternal Yes to the believer. For all the promises of God concerning the Messiah given to the OT patriarchs and prophets are fulfilled (Yes and Amen) in Him. Their execution and fulfillment prove God to be reliable. God fulfills all these promises for His own glory.

    1:21. Paul now shows how he was accurate in his plans, even though he did not go to Corinth then. First he states that God is in control of his schedule. God is the one who establishes (confirms) him and those with him (the Corinthian believers) and has anointed (
    chrisas
    ) us. Since in Christ, the Anointed Servant, all of God’s promises are Yes and Amen, so also, in the anointed apostles, God’s purposes are Yes and Amen. Since Paul was anointed by God for service, God has control over Paul’s itinerary and plans for the ultimate purpose of God’s greater glory.

    1:22. God also has sealed and given us the Spirit (Eph 1:13-14). In NT times a seal on a document identified it and guaranteed it would be protected. Similarly the Holy Spirit seals the Christian at salvation and guarantees that this salvation will be protected or secure. Believers are given the Spirit in their hearts as a deposit. A deposit is like earnest money. The earnest of the Spirit in the believer’s heart testifies that he belongs to God. The sealing and deposit of the Holy Spirit assure the believer’s eternal security (Eph 4:30).

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    1 John 2:20-23 The term anointing refers to the Holy Spirit, probably not the Word or the Gospel. In the NT the Word of God is never directly connected with the idea of anointing, whereas the Holy Spirit is.

    The recipients of this epistle were spiritually advanced Christians (see vv 13-14), possibly the spiritual leadership (or elders) in the churches to which John is sending his letter. If so, when the letter was read aloud in the public meetings, it would reinforce the spiritual authority of the leaders. With this understanding, since the leaders know all things, there is nothing the Christians in these churches need to learn from the Revisionists. The leaders themselves are competent to teach the whole body of Christian truth.

    2:21. He has not written to them because they are ignorant of the truth. On the contrary, he writes precisely because they know the truth. It is clear that John is not writing to test whether the readers are genuinely saved or not. In view of vv 12-14 such a view reflects a blindness to the statements of the epistle itself.

    In addition to knowing the truth, John’s readers also know that no lie is of the truth. John would have been most impatient with Christians who praise a false idea as “insightful” or “worthy of dialogue,” no matter how far it is from the truth.

    2:22. The lie John particularly has in mind is the denial that Jesus is the Christ. For John, of course, the belief that Jesus is the Christ is saving belief (see comments on 1 John 5:1; cf. John 20:30-31). The person who denies this truth is a liar who subverts the very basis on which anyone is saved.

    Believing that Jesus is the Christ means to believe that He is the One who guarantees eternal life to every believer.

    The lie John has in mind involved the denial that John’s readers had eternal life (see v 25). If Jesus is not the Christ, then the readers’ assurance that they possessed this life by faith in Him was a mirage. If their assurance collapsed, so would their fellowship with God. To deny that faith in Christ is the only means of eternal life is to deny the Father also.

    2:23. Jesus was so perfectly reflective of His Father that both His words and works were those of the Father (cf. John 14:10-11). To deny the Son was automatically to deny the Father (cf. v 22).

  • Reply July 20, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    RichardAnna Boyce I admit I’ve split hairs here Both Menzies and Horton follow the same theological framework on sanctification I just wonder HOW FAR has Pentecostalism gone from Wesleyan sanctification anylonger

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