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Charles Page | PentecostalTheology.com
Link Hudson, Melvin Harter
I Peter 3:3 KJV Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel
Melvin says that gold means jewelry and Link says that if Melvin is correct then the women should not wear clothing!
Let’s continue this discussion. The modern interpretative trend is to say that holiness is ONLY internal. Outward adornment has nothing to do with holiness. Peruse the most recent translations and you will read the implications of this modern interpretation.
NIV Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.
“Let it not be” is the rendering of the Old Bibles reaching back to the Douay-Rheims Bible and including the KJV, ASV and NASV.
In fact the the NASV as “merely” let it not be merely the…
NIV adds “rather” meaning instead of external let it be internal
I believe that Link is in error to assume that the old versions suggest nudity for the women. That is clearly absurd. Perhaps there is a cultural aspect here that we don’t understand, speaking for myself.
I can’t go with holiness being annulled by the wearing of jewelry. However I can understand excessive and costly arrayed in jewelry. That then applies to hairstyles, adornment or expensive, finer garments. (may refer to outer garments)
The external is important and the inner paramount. One is not without the other. I believe this was the essential view of the Church of God in the past and has since changed.
Our guide for rule is scripture and the scriptures are the modern translations and for that reason our holiness is not different from the Baptist of all sorts.
Why, she looks Baptist!! That is a valid statement.
My wife are of different persuasions. She attends a Southern Baptist Church and this afternoon I showed her a picture of the GO’s wife (who she didn’t know) and ask her if this was a COG woman and she said well, she certainly looks Baptist.
I said to her, this is the GO’s wife! She was speechless!!
Cleatis Jeffcoat
Holiness inside will reflect on the outside. However, unadorned, conservative, clothing, or pious conduct does not produce holiness in the heart.
Cleatis Jeffcoat
BTW, the NIV is almost identical to the New World Translation (JW Bible).
Link Hudson
Correction, I said that John Piper argued that about the clothes.
Gary Jones
My question is who sets the standard as to what is excessive or expensive. How are those things measured. As a RN I cannot say that merely a patient is in great pain. I have to a measurement of how great that pain is. Also, if we are not to adorn ourselves in expensive clothing and jewelry, then wouldn’t expensive cars and houses be considered in the holiness argument as well. I see ministers who disqualify women that wear expensive clothes as unholy, yet the minister or his family drove 60-80,000 dollar camero convertibles and SUV’s.
Charles Page
Good comment
There is a standard of holiness
Link Hudson
Btw, I never said that Peter was suggesting nudity for women. I’m saying that Piper was arguing that the absolutely no jewelry interpretation would require the absolutely no rainment interpretation. His point was that it was forbidding clothing or jewelry, but excessive attention to outward adorning. Anyway, your OP falsely accuses me.
Link Hudson
It’s a legitimate issue to address by looking at the verse and addressing its meaning.
I Peter 3:
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
The NIV says
3 Your beauty should not be an external one, consisting of braided hair or the wearing of gold ornaments and dresses.
4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.
Charles Page
Sorry to have implied that
You did bring it up several times Independent of Piper
I’ve never thought Piper was credible
Charles Page
Still the modern Bible versions imply one can be nude and still holy
Charles Page
You realize the absurdity of saying you can’t wear jewelry or clothes?
Charles Page
Help us clarify the meaning of I Peter 3:3
Ken Paul
Plaiting of hair. It’s a hairstyle where women wore most of their gold and jewelry in a beehive type do showing off their worth to other less wealthy women. They trusted in their wealth not God. So holiness of the heart would not do such a thing. So for the GO’s wife to wear some jewelry and a little make up and nice cloths looks very modest compared to that women in the early church with gawdy hair style with gold and diamonds everywhere.
Gladys M Brown
This is one of the most precious, holy and godly women I have ever been privileged to know. I can only wish that my life exemplified the same devotion and godly love that hers does. Whomever you feel is wrong, wouldn’t it be better to pray for them than to badmouth them?