Israel in the Tribulation

Israel in the Tribulation

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Many Bible scholars maintain that most, if not all, of the prophecies in the Olivet Discourse were fulfilled in the events surrounding the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 70 A.D. Some have even gone on to embrace Replacement Theology, the teaching that all O.T. promises made to the nation of Israel have been transferred to the church and that God is done with Israel. Does Scripture teach that God has a future for the nation of Israel? More specifically, do Jesus’ words in Matthew 24 necessitate the existence of a Jewish nation in the end times? This essay will argue that the Olivet Discourse extends far beyond the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and that this necessitates the existence of a literal Jewish nation that will face the wrath of God in the Tribulation and be saved out of it at Messiah’s return.

The Audience of the Olivet Discourse

The Olivet Discourse was delivered by Jesus on the Mount of Olives in front of Jerusalem three days before His crucifixion. In it, Jesus provided His disciples with an overview of eschatological events culminating in His second advent. The immediate context of the discourse is a question posed by Jesus’ disciples: “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” The disciples would have understood from Zechariah 14 that a time of tribulation would precede the kingdom, but they would not have expected the kingdom to have been postponed for thousands of years (Luke 21:24).

Jesus’ prophecy deals primarily with the tribulation that will occur just before the inauguration of the kingdom. The kingdom was offered to the Jewish nation during Christ’s first coming, but the Jews rejected it because they “were not looking for inward deliverance from sin but for outward deliverance from political oppression.”(1) In other words, the Jews expected Messiah to deliver them from the Roman Empire and restore Israel to her place as head of the nations. It must be recognized that the Jews were mostly correct in their eschatology. Their error was that they failed to recognize that Messiah would come twice — first, to die for the sins of mankind, and second, to establish His millennial kingdom. In the Old Testament, both advents are described in detail with no time gap indicated between the two

With Israel identified as the primary audience of the discourse, the interpreter can either anticipate a future literal fulfillment of the discourse, or he can dismiss most of the discourse as having been fulfilled in 70 A.D. as the late R.C. Sproul has done.(2) If all of Christ’s prophecies were fulfilled historically in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem (70 A.D.), future prophetic fulfillment is unnecessary. If, however, it is determined that portions of the Olivet Discourse are yet future, it must be concluded that Jesus is talking to end-times Israel.

Israel in the Tribulation

As discussed earlier, the disciples’ question concerning the temple’s destruction was rooted in their understanding of the Messianic kingdom, which they knew from O.T. prophecy would be preceded by a time of trouble (Jer 30:7, Dan 12:1, Zech 14:1-4). Concerning the scope of this time of trouble, O.T. prophecy reveals two realities: 1) It is global, not regional. 2) It focuses on Israel in particular, even though all nations are affected.

The birth pains of Matthew 24:4-8 roughly correspond to the first four seal judgments of Revelation 6. This places their fulfillment in the first half of the Tribulation.(3) In v.6, Jesus addresses the future Jewish nation, saying, “you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.” This is significant and could not have been fulfilled before Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. Furthermore, the wars that Jesus warned about in v.7 (nation rising against nation, kingdom against kingdom) cannot be characterized as the general course of the church age but are specific events that will be fulfilled in the Tribulation. These birth pains of war and natural disaster (v.7) are global catastrophes and must not be limited to the Roman world of 70 A.D., which many commentators have unfortunately done.(4)

Israel and the Gospel

It can be inferred from the Olivet Discourse that Israel is an active player in the Tribulation. In v.14, Jesus says that immediately prior to the end, the “gospel of the kingdom” will be preached to all nations. Many interpreters hear this phrase and make the mistake of conflating it with the personal gospel of eternal life. The “gospel of the kingdom” is a technical phrase that always refers to the Jewish expectation of the Messianic kingdom. This gospel is identical to that preached by Jesus and John the Baptist. The fact that it is being proclaimed during the Tribulation demands that the nation of Israel is in existence again. This prophecy will be fulfilled during the Tribulation by the 144,000 Jewish evangelists. It was not fulfilled in 70 A.D., and it will never be fulfilled by the church because the church will be raptured before the kingdom is again offered to Israel.

The Abomination of Desolation

The Abomination of Desolation is a phrase that appears five times in Scripture (Daniel 9:27, 11:31, 12:11; Matthew 24:15, and Mark 13:14). In four of these passages, the phrase refers to the Antichrist’s desecration of the Jerusalem temple. However, in Daniel 11:31, the reference is to a historical event that foreshadows the future reality. Following a humiliating defeat in Egypt, Seleucid king Antiochus IV Epiphanes sent his general Apollonius with 22,000 soldiers into Jerusalem on an alleged peace mission. The soldiers, however, brutally slaughtered many residents of the city, taking many women and children captive.(5)

Antiochus IV forbade Jews to keep the Sabbath or recite the Torah under pain of death. Finally, On December 16, 167 BC, Antiochus IV terminated sacrifice and offering at the Jerusalem temple and erected an altar to Zeus in the Jerusalem temple. The Jews were forced to offer a pig on the 25th of each month to celebrate Antiochus Epiphanes’ birthday.(6) This event was called the Abomination of Desolation because it was a vile act that rendered the temple ritually defiled and unfit for worship.

Many scholars understand the remaining four references to this event as all referring to Antiochus. This is problematic because Jesus anticipated it happening again in the future. Matthew 24:15-16 says, “So when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place” (let the reader understand), “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains.”

Jesus’ words are significant because they imply that the Abomination of Desolation will 1) occur again, and 2) be recognizable to the residents of Jerusalem, serving as a warning sign to flee the city immediately. The Abomination of Desolation will have two components. First, the Antichrist will forcibly terminate all sacrifices and offerings to the God of Israel, taking his seat in the Most Holy Place and declaring himself to be God. Second, the false prophet will construct an image of the Antichrist in the temple to mark the Antichrist’s ongoing presence in Jerusalem as the city becomes a worship center for the Antichrist and epicenter of the final holocaust.

As soon as the Abomination of Desolation occurs, Jews living in or near Jerusalem are instructed to flee for their lives immediately. Any delay in escape will mean certain death. Mark indicates that even after the Jews have reached safety in the east, false prophets will infiltrate their ranks, performing miracles that apparently deceive some into leaving their places of hiding and returning to Jerusalem where they will be killed (Mark 13:21-23).

In Matthew 24:20, Jesus instructs his Jewish readers to pray that their escape will not occur in winter or on the Sabbath. Why? In modern Israel, public transportation is closed on the Sabbath, making escape on the Sabbath more treacherous. Concerning the winter season, Arnold Fruchtenbaum provides a compelling analysis, one that demonstrates that Jesus is speaking to a Jewish audience residing in the land of Israel:

The reason for this prayer is that the Jews will be escaping toward the mountains in the east. Most of the escape routes will force them to use wadis, which are dry water beds that only fill up with flash floods when it rains during the winter months. Israel receives no rain between April and October. From October through the winter months up until April, Israel receives all its rain for the year. When it does rain, many of these wadis become filled instantly and are very dangerous to cross. Frequently in Israel, people drown because they are caught in these dry riverbeds during a flash flood. If the Abomination of Desolation occurs during the winter months, it will make the escape toward the east that much more difficult. So, prayer is urged that it will not happen in winter.(7)

In summary, the Abomination of Desolation and Jesus’ warning to the Jews in Jerusalem to flee the city can only occur in relation to Israel in the Tribulation. Its prophetic antecedent, the desecration of the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes, gives readers a clear picture of what will happen to Israel in the future.

Will Modern Israel go through the Great Tribulation?

The Nazi Holocaust is a core feature of Israeli identity. The Israeli pledge “Never Again” conveys the promise that the Jewish people have made to themselves that they will never allow the Nazi Holocaust to repeat itself. In other words, never again will Israel experience the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, which wiped out two-thirds of Europe’s Jewish population.

Unfortunately, as the Bible teaches, the leadership of Israel will sign on to a deadly covenant with a world dictator that will secure the nation’s complete annihilation if it were not for Messiah’s return in glory. Israel’s ongoing rejection of Jesus as their only Savior and Messiah will secure their vulnerability to the Antichrist. Consequently, the Olivet Discourse is largely a survival guide to the Jews in the Tribulation who have come to know Jesus. These Jewish believers will have heard the gospel of the kingdom; that is, the message that Jesus is soon returning to inaugurate His Messianic kingdom. That message alone necessitates the fulfillment of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, which will purge Israel in preparation for the kingdom.

How do some scholars get around this and fall into Replacement Theology? By asserting that the entire sequence of end-times events laid out in the discourse was fulfilled in A.D. 70 during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. Many scholars make this error when they fail to recognize that Jesus discusses two crises in Jerusalem that are separated by thousands of years.

Two Different Crises in Jerusalem

The Olivet Discourse begins with a question that the disciples ask Jesus. This question is recorded differently in Luke than it is in Matthew and Mark because Luke is concerned with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. In Luke 21:7, the disciples ask Jesus, “so when will these things happen? And what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?” Jesus responds in verse 20: “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near.” This likely refers to the Roman 10th Legion under General Titus, which had surrounded Jerusalem in the summer of 70 A.D. The siege would continue and eventually make escape utterly futile. Concerning the siege, Josephus writes:

So, all hope of escaping was now cut off from the Jews, together with their liberty of going out of the city. Then did the famine widen its progress and devoured the people by whole houses and families; the upper rooms were full of women and children that were dying by famine; and the lanes of the city were full of the dead bodies of the aged; the children also and the young men wandered about the marketplaces like shadows, all swelled with the famine, and fell dead wheresoever their misery seized them.(8)

This was the very sign that Jesus said would indicate that the temple’s destruction was imminent. His warning to Jewish believers in Jerusalem during this time was to flee the city as soon as they saw Jerusalem surrounded by Roman armies. Jesus wanted his readers to know that there would be no divine deliverance. The city had been given over to judgment (Luke 21:22), and anyone still in the city when these events unfolded would be vulnerable to death. The warnings that follow in vs. 21-23 sound remarkably similar to those in Matthew 24:16 because Jesus uses the former sign to illustrate the severity of the latter sign, which according to Matthew 24:15, is the Abomination of Desolation.

In other words, in 70 A.D., the sign of the temple’s destruction was the siege of the city under general Titus. During the Tribulation, the sign of the end will be the Abomination of Desolation. Jesus, then, refers to two different signs, which are two different crises in Jerusalem. In the earlier crisis (70 A.D.), the city was destroyed, whereas in the latter crisis (the Tribulation), the city, though severely ravaged, will be delivered. Quite clearly, these two sieges are not the same, though both can only be applied to literal Israel, ruling out a church-age fulfillment. These are both geographical events relating to the Jewish people and their Holy City. Importantly, they both serve as signs of impending judgment.


The Olivet Discourse provides students of Scripture with a general blueprint of the future, specifically as it relates to Israel. Jesus surveys the Tribulation and warns Jewish believers about the Abomination of Desolation and how to escape and persevere until the end. The events and personages in the discourse necessitate the existence of a literal Jewish nation in the end times. Hundreds of prophecies in the Bible anticipate a future regathering of Israel in the end times, and the Olivet Discourse may be added to the number. Though it does not specifically predict the regathering of Israel, the entire substance of the discourse is based on the presupposition that God will have brought His chosen people back into their ancient homeland to endure a time of testing that will result in their redemption.

In the twenty-first century, students of Scripture have witnessed the initial stages of this fulfillment, indicating that God is beginning to wrap up human history.

Alexander Major

Southern California Seminary, El Cajon, CA

End Notes

  1. John Macarthur. The MacArthur New Testament Commentary. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2016.
  2. R.C Sproul. The Last Days According to Jesus: When Did Jesus Say He Would Return? Grand Rapids, Mi: Baker Books, 2015, 158. Dr. R.C. Sproul and others argue that “the substance of the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in A.D. 70. This is achieved by an allegorizing of the text.
  3. Some premillennialists, such as John Walvoord and David Jeremiah, understand the birth pains of false messiahs, wars, famine, and death, to begin in the church age, only to accelerate once the church is raptured. Others like Scofield have understood the birth pains to find strict fulfillment in the tribulation. This view is in harmony with the reality that Jesus speaks in definite terms about definite events that will literally be fulfilled.
  4. Jamieson, Robert, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown. 1997. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible. Vol. 2. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc: “The annals of Tacitus tell us how the Roman world was convulsed, before the destruction of Jerusalem, by rival claimants of the imperial purple.” This interpretation is highly problematic because Jesus is prophesying world war (nation rising against nation) before His return. He is not speaking of regional skirmishes.
  5. Pentecost, J. Dwight. 1985. “Daniel.” In The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures, edited by J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck, 1:1370. Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.
  6. Ibid.
  7. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum. “The Footsteps of the Messiah: A Study of the Sequence of Prophetic Events” (Tustin, CA) Ariel Minstries, 2003, 510.
  8. Flavius Josephus and William Whiston. The Works of Josephus: Complete and Unabridged. Peabody: Hendrickson, 1987.


  • Reply January 11, 2023


    I can see several points here worth talking about THOUGH I do not believe like Gary Micheal Epping the church will have to flee like ISRAEL in the wilderness where he would specialize in growing post-rapture corn Neil Steven Lawrence

    Like Bishop Bernie L Wade said There is NO secret rapture – the church has always known, knows and shall known The rapture has never been secret to the CHURCH

    John Mushenhouse I DO NOT – I repeat I do not share the mesmerizing of Link Hudson with a repetitive Pentecost partial OR repetitive rapture /the 7 churches NOT representing the whole church like there could be an 8th church and all these quite unbiblical stances

    For this very reason I have expressed and am expressing serious concerns with any partial rapture/and part-time commission profits for the year 2033 — YES Jesus may have died 2033 but could have been +/-4yrs per Herod as recorded by Josephus ANYWAYS this prophecies alike the one by Ricky Grimsley SEPT2022 Tribulation are not BIBLICAL hence heretical – – – there are short lived too 10yrs (or 6yrs) and they are out like another book marketing fundraiser… I understand Link may have heard about this on the other side of the worldS BUT around here we stick to the actual BIBLE; meaning the Jewish holidays are OK but we are not gonna calculate the rapture based on them or any other frenzy source

    IF the church wants to see THE great commission and not the great omission William DeArteaga Isara Mo Robert Cox any other gospel is simply human prosperity and NOT Kingdom advancement

    • Reply January 11, 2023


      Troy Day You wrote,

      ” mesmerizing of Link Hudson with a repetitive Pentecost partial OR repetitive rapture /the 7 churches NOT representing the whole church like there could be an 8th church and all these quite unbiblical stances”

      Repetitive Pentecost? ‘Pentecost’ comes from a Greek word for a feast established in the Old Testament, Shavuot, so that is a once a year thing. I haven’t said whether I believe in Pak Niko’s third Pentecost. That’s more a matter of judging a prophecy or revelation than Bible interpretation, IMO. I can’t find an exegetical ‘third Pentecost’ except the fact that Shavuot would have been a day of the year the third year after it was established in the time of Moses.

      It was the tradition to associate that day with the giving of the law. 3000 died at the giving of the law. And 3000 were baptized on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life.

      I pointed out that some dispensationalists believe that the seven churches represent church ages, and that Philadelphia would not be the last church age using that interpretive system, yet there are pretribbers using a verse written to the angel of the church in Philadelphia in an argument that the church would not go through the tribulation. I didn’t state a position on the church ages.

    • Reply January 11, 2023


      yes Link Hudson Repetitive Pentecost?
      You asked if pentecost does not repeat each year as a holiday

  • Reply January 12, 2023


    1 Peter 4:12-19 (KJV) 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy [are ye]; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters. 16 Yet if [any man suffer] as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls [to him] in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Brett Dobbs To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia – The First Letter of Peter, addressed to persecuted Christians living in five regions of Asia Minor, exhorts the readers to emulate the suffering Christ in their distress, remembering that after his Passion and death Jesus rose from the dead and is now in glory. Has really nothing to do with the Great Tribulation not seen since the fall of the worldS

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Troy Day 2 Peter 3:3-15 (KJV) 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Brett Dobbs OK – what is your point posting this here?

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Troy Day

      2 Peter 3:15-16 (KJV) 15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

      1 Corinthians 1:8 (KJV)
      Who shall also confirm you unto the end, [that ye may be] blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      Philippians 1:6 (KJV)
      Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

      Philippians 1:10 (KJV)
      That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;

      Philippians 2:16 (KJV)
      Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

      1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (KJV) 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

      1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      2 Thessalonians 1:4-11 (KJV) 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:

      2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV) 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      2 Thessalonians 2:5-5 (KJV) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

      Revelation 12:11-11 (KJV) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Brett Dobbs OK – what does this mean? John Mushenhouse [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Troy Day Revelation 11:11-19 (KJV) 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

      1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV)
      In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

      Revelation 10:7-7 (KJV) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

      18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Troy Day

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Brett Dobbs what about
      [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:

      why are you not talking about it/

    • Reply January 12, 2023


      Troy Day

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