Is GOD still in CONTROL?

Posted by Jim Price in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

My morning coffee buddy and I often discuss bible doctrine and theology. The one thing that gets him riled up is when he hears someone say;” don’t worry God’s in charge.” When that happens he raises his long arms and brings his fist down on the table. He will ask the person; was God in charge of the civil war? What about world war I, the millions that died from war and the other millions that died in the widespread epidemic that followed the war? Before they can answer he pounds the table again and asks; is God in control of the Zika virus that is wrecking the life of babies in South America? Most people just walk away without arguing. What do you think, does he have a point?

Charles Page [02/22/2016 12:03 PM]
Who sent the plagues to Egypt?

Jimmy Humphrey [02/22/2016 12:19 PM]
Theologically correct answers are not always emotionally satisfying ones.

David Smith [02/22/2016 12:57 PM]
The Theological concepts of Gods Providence and Soverienty teach us that he is in control. The specific instance mentioned above are the result of the fall man and the existence of sin. Also, many, not all of these things are a result of mans choices and decisions (free will)

Robert Jamieson [02/22/2016 12:57 PM]
The Civil War came because of man, God did’nt hold a rifle and take sides. Your “coffee buddy” has made no room for sin’s of the flesh, but reveals he is controled by them, his simplistic thinking has made no room for the enemy of mankind, satan. His outburst of wrath maybe an indication you need a new coffee buddy, all that shouting and banging may attract a policeman…it’s already got the eye of the Holy Spirit

” do not walk with an angry man, lest thou learn his ways”

Mark Tague [02/22/2016 12:59 PM]
Either God is in complete control, or He is not. Only One of these options is worthy of worship. I trust Him beyond my capacity to understand Him. Yes, He is in control. No I can’t explain the bad things that happen. Neither do I feel compelled too. My only job is to be His man wherever I am and allow Him to manifest His peace through me to a hurting world.

John Kissinger [02/22/2016 1:02 PM]
in order to be in complete control GOD MUST know everything Ricky Grimsley

Jimmy Pearson [02/22/2016 1:10 PM]
The answer to all of the above is yes. Right answers don’t always feel good. God is sovereign in all things even the ones we can’t understand.

Nelson Banuchi [02/22/2016 1:15 PM]
While God is in ultimate control, he has *chosen* to not be in exhaustive, minute (i.e. complete) control.

Kevin Clark [02/22/2016 1:27 PM]
Here is one that is famous , “Everything happens for a reason.” Should it be better said that, “God can TURN any season for His reason.”

Ricky Grimsley [02/22/2016 1:27 PM]
Like Nelson Banuchi stated God is in ultimate control. He could make the world not exist if he wanted. However, what he does desire is the libertarian free-will choice of love from his creatures. If God already knows the future exhaustively then as a fact then everything is just an illusion perhaps even just a thought of God.

Ricky Grimsley [02/22/2016 1:34 PM]
I dont see why arminians and calvinists cant see they both believe in an unchangeable future where all facts are resolved before the world began. They just argue over whether God actually predetermined it or already saw it play out in his mind. The crux gist of either side is the facts are settled.

Ricky Grimsley [02/22/2016 1:38 PM]
And yes thank God that he can bring good out of evil plans against us.

Charles Page [02/22/2016 1:45 PM]
Ricky, who believes in an unchangeable future where all facts are resolved before the world began? who?

Ricky Grimsley [02/22/2016 1:48 PM]
Virtually everyone I know especially in this forum.

Ricky Grimsley [02/22/2016 1:50 PM]
Anyone who believes in God having exhaustive foreknowledge has to believe that the future is settled. That is the only way it can be known.

Tom Steele [02/22/2016 1:57 PM]
So, the Bible is full of instructions and consequences. The instructions are generally clear, “Do this,” or, “Don’t do that.” The consequences are determined by whether or not you follow the instructions.

Think of the owner’s manual in your car. It tells you to change the oil at a certain interval. The old rule was every 3 months or 3,000 miles, but newer cars go a bit longer, generally about 5,000 miles. If you follow the instruction, your car will continue to function as designed. If you neglect the instruction, it is just a matter of time before the car breaks down. The company who manufactured the car is ultimately in control, right? The made it, wrote the owner’s manual, etc. But, once you purchase the car, responsibility for maintaining it shifts from the manufacturer to the owner.

God made everything that exists. When He created man, he gave creation into our hands to care for it (Genesis 1:28). The responsibility shifted from God’s hands into man’s hands. Yes, God is in control, but what would happen if you never changed the oil in your car and then tried to take it back to the manufacturer after it broke down? Even if it was still under warranty you’d be out of luck, because you didn’t do your part.

We can’t get mad at God simply because there are bad things that happen as a result of people not following the owner’s manual… The Bible… which results in negative consequences. Until all is fulfilled and we are living in the eternal kingdom where everyone living is following the instruction manual, there will be bad things taking place in the world. It doesn’t change the fact that God is still ultimately in control.

Charles Page [02/22/2016 2:06 PM]
bad things do happen to good people.

Ricky Grimsley [02/22/2016 2:12 PM]
Yes they do. There is no doubt that God in his sovereignty allows things to happen that we can overcome and he can be glorified. However, sometimes bad stuff happens because we get out of his will. No matter what though we have the promise that Romans 8:28 KJVS
[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Charles Page [02/22/2016 2:16 PM]
bad things that cannot be overcome happen to good people.

John Conger [02/22/2016 2:24 PM]
Ultimate sovereignty is not the same as continual interference

Charles Page [02/22/2016 2:58 PM]
He seems to be continually interfering in my life!

John Conger [02/22/2016 3:04 PM]
Agree with Charles Page. The idea that when bad things happen it’s because people are not following scripture is naive at best and shows a lack of wisdom and life experience

Stan Wayne [02/22/2016 3:30 PM]
It is an unsolvable mystery involving evil good God the Fallen state – why does the thing need resolution

Timothy D McCune [02/22/2016 4:36 PM]
I have a question for you Jim Price what is your answer to your coffee buddy? I believe God is in control of everything the evil that happens is a result of the sin in the world, i may not understand the type of control it takes but I am not God and i am on no position to question Him.

Jim Price [02/22/2016 4:38 PM]
Some of my preacher friend’s use the phrase; ” God is good all the time.” They take this from the statement that God is love. Solomon said that time and chance happeneth to all men.

Dimitar Boukliev [02/23/2016 7:52 AM]
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Nathan Alley [02/24/2016 3:42 PM]
Of course he is the fact that the have turned our backs on him is a good reason why he would do such a thing .. Also don’t take me wrong when I say this but I child dieing in this time in age is truely a blessing for they will go Stright to be with Thier Heavenly Father

Nathan Alley [02/24/2016 3:42 PM]
He allows for wars to happen for sertian reasons but always has his hand on what he is doing

19 Comments

  • Reply May 22, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    Love this one Scotty Searan Bro Jim killed the fish with it. Wish I had it when ppl were repeating overboard control statements

  • If God isn’t in control then he isn’t God. A bird can’t fall to ground without the will of the Father, even every single one of our hairs are numbered. Yes, God is in complete control of everything (I’m not saying that he is the cause of everything, including evil as the Reformed ones believe)and that’s why we can rest in him.

  • Reply May 22, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    well ol Jim posted this back in the day with lots of smoke. I am surprised someone is not screaming the opposite yet 🙂

  • Reply May 22, 2018

    Jim Price

    The bible says that Jesus spoke to them in parables and that included every sparrow and every hair on the the head. A professor at Lee many years ago said that we shouldn’t take these parables in a literal way.

    • With all respect to the professor, but I believe Jesus was talking about how God cares for us that every single hair is counted, nothing escapes his absolute control. A God that hasn’t control of his creation isn’t God at all. We know that evil exists but even evil is under God’s control and he allows it to happen according to his eternal purpose. He knows the future and he knows every single detail of our lives, even he knows when we are going to fail and when we are going to be victorious. Every detail is under his perfect control, the Psalms are full of references to God’s sovereignty.

  • Reply May 22, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    So Jim when someone says God is in control, should we take that literally ?

    • Reply May 22, 2018

      Jim Price

      No !

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Varnel Watson

      Why not Jim Price Scotty Searan

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Scotty Searan

      Troy Day Jim Price if God is in control in all things and that takes away our free will why should we worry about repenting of sins or obeying all the Commandments or ask God to do help us in our time of trouble and God is in control everything then why should we have on the whole armor of God also if God is in control that when a man says he is tempted he is not tempted by God he’s tempted by Satan why does he allow Satan to tempt us does he want us to fail or fall or stumble people become offended stumble and lose heart

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Jim Price

      Scotty Searan Good questions.

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Varnel Watson

      I dont know Scotty Searan sometimes Ricky Grimsley tries to answer such questions but in this group God is in control is heard mainly from political Christians who speak to agendas I am not too sure if it applies

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      Either their is free-will or not. If when you say God is in control, you mean God meticulously controls every detail then free-will is just an illusion. If you believe that God has an end-game and that he guides everything to his ultimate will then…yes God is in control.

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Varnel Watson

      It would be wrong to approach free will in such a simplistic way http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/john-wesley-on-free-will/

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Ricky Grimsley

      That’s only because people started with a concept of God and then tried to fit it into the Bible instead of letting the Bible tell us what god is like.

  • Reply May 23, 2018

    Jim Price

    If God were in control and we could prove it and bring Him a court of law, then his crimes would be enormous. The so called crimes of Adam and Eve,would pale into insignificance. Here we are talking of errors and omissions and of the ability to prevent as well as to commit.

    • If God wasn’t in control then he wouldn’t be God. If you believe that God has no control over his creation then Einstein was wrong and God indeed plays dice. God has the control, I’m not saying that he foreordains every single detail, he is not guilty of sin nor evil but because he has the control he can use that sin and evil to accomplish his purposes.

    • Reply May 23, 2018

      Jim Price

      ???

    • Reply May 24, 2018

      Varnel Watson

      How do we respond to the ones using it Jim Price

  • Reply May 23, 2018

    Varnel Watson

    Jim Price If God WERE???

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