John Kissinger [01/07/2016 8:01 AM]
Gary McGee is classic. Over twenty years ago Gary B. McGee wrote a comprehensive survey of Assemblies of God (AG) missions, “This Gospel Shall Be Preached.” What are your concerns with these Historical and Biblical Perspectives on the Pentecostal Doctrine of Spirit Baptism?
CrossTheology [01/07/2016 8:05 AM]
I haven’t read it yet so asked 🙂 I study at an AoG school so it sounds nice 🙂
John Kissinger [01/07/2016 8:06 AM]
well one thing is for SURE – you are NOT baptized in the Holy Ghost if you dont have the initial evidence Pope Link Peter John Ricky
CrossTheology [01/07/2016 8:07 AM]
that’s putting the cart before the horse I think. First you are baptised, then you speak in tongues (if the initial evidence is true) 🙂
John Conger [01/07/2016 8:12 AM]
True it’s baptism and then initial evidence but we are talking simply moments difference. I agree, no outward manifestation no baptism. In all instances in the book of acts there was an obvious outward manifestation. 2 of the instances it is expressly said that it was speaking in tongues and the other 2 showed some outward manifestation and I believe it’s not unreasonable to assume speaking in tongues
John Kissinger [01/07/2016 8:14 AM]
it’s one and the same OR you’ll hear the old charismacostal ( charismostal) stories “I was baptized in 1974 but dont speak in tongues just yet, but I sure am believin’ for it…”
CrossTheology [01/07/2016 8:16 AM]
But they are assumptions John Conger ans the Book of Acts is not the whole Bible 🙂
Tim Renneberg [01/07/2016 10:25 AM]
one thing should be made clear, initial evidence does not mean only evidence
John Conger [01/07/2016 11:21 AM]
Can you give an example of the not being an outward manifestation that could be seen or heard by those around
Tim Renneberg [01/07/2016 11:23 AM]
who are you asking?
John Kissinger [01/07/2016 11:30 AM]
CrossTheology it is interesting that in the 2nd contributed chapter Burgess (p. 24ff) mentions the Cathars which were Western (Catholic) offspring of the the Bulgarian dualistic heresy of the Bogomils…
CrossTheology [01/07/2016 11:32 AM]
John Kissinger [01/07/2016 11:33 AM]
p. 24ff in the book you posted – what are you surprised about?
Jimmy Humphrey [01/07/2016 12:37 PM]
I take the view of Jim Cymbala: tongues can be evidence but doesn’t have to be “the” initial evidence. 🙂
Charles Page [01/07/2016 12:56 PM]
Jimmy, is Jim Cymbala Pentecostal?
Link Hudson [01/07/2016 12:59 PM]
Was FF Bosworth Pentecostal?
CrossTheology [01/07/2016 12:59 PM]
Jimmy Humphrey please tell me more about it and him 🙂 I think it was also the view of Leonard Ravenhill 🙂
Charles Page [01/07/2016 1:09 PM]
I know that Gary B. McGee is Distinguished Professor of Church History and Pentecostal Studies at the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary in Springfield, Missouri. A frequent contributor to journals and dictionaries, Dr McGee has also authored This Gospel Shall Be Preached: A History and Theology of Assemblies of God Foreign Missions (2 vols.), and he was coeditor of the Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements.