Practical application of Pentecostal theology in politics, economy and social issues
I believe healing is provided for all in the atonement. Anybody else?
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It is sometimes depicted that the basic argument to read “the creation story” (Genesis 1) as a non literal story are modern science and the evolution theory. But I believe that the biggest problem with a literal view is in the text itself. More specific in the differences between the “creation stories” in Genesis 1 and 2.
Vegetation created:
God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: plants yielding seeds
according to their kinds, and trees bearing fruit with seed in it
according to their kinds.” It was so. The land produced vegetation –
plants yielding seeds according to their kinds, and trees bearing
fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. God saw that it was
good. (1:11)
Human created:
Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, after our
likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of
the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the
creatures that move on the earth.” (1:26)
No vegetation:
Now no shrub of the field had yet grown on the earth, and no plant of
the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not caused it to rain
on the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. (2:5)
Human created:
The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living
being. (2:7)
Vegetation created:
The Lord God planted an orchard in the east, in Eden; and there he
placed the man he had formed. The Lord God made all kinds of trees
grow from the soil, every tree that was pleasing to look at and good
for food. (Now the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil were in the middle of the orchard.) (2:8-9)
All quotes are from the NET Bible.
Is there a way to make a strong argument that both those stories are to be read literally (as if it was written by a modern historian)? How could those different accounts be merged?
Ricky Grimsley
Amen. It does however raise the question why salvation seems to be way more common than healing. It seems like they can go hand in hand.
James 5:14-15 KJVS
[14] Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
William Sterling
That’s one of the 16 AG fundamental truths. Is it physical healing? The apostle Paul never seemed to receive it and neither have I.
Grover Katzmarek Sr
Yes but I had a friend ask me a question a couple months ago I’m still thinking about.
Do we have a divine right to healing if we are eating things that are unhealthy and we know it, or doing other things that are unhealthy for us.
Billy Winneroski
Respectfully, disagree! I’m a 44 year spina bifida, and hydrocephalus ‘survivor,’ and like the Apostle Paul prayed 3 times for his thorn to be removed, mines still here, too
Terry Wiles
Especially healing from sin.
Ricky Grimsley
Paul’s situation was different than normal imo. Obviously we should eat healthy just like we dont cut our arm on purpose and then ask god to to reattach it.
Bernard Jefferson
I believe it.. I was healed
Jimmy Pearson
Provided for all perhaps. But the better question is who appropriates it. Or as others have said perhaps physical healing wasn’t necessarily the point.
William Lance Huget
http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Healing-Atonement-H-Ironside/dp/1530285267/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
William Lance Huget
1. There is no exegetical basis for cessationism (continuationism is biblical and anecdotal in church history….see Craig Keener; Jon Ruthven).
2. Word of Faith or views that imply all are healed all of the time or it is sin, lack of faith, etc. are extreme and unbiblical, unbalanced.
3. Not all tradition is truth. I am part of sister organization to AOG (PAOC). We may say healing is in the atonement (Is. 53 proof text), but I do not think the Hebrew supports this. There is provision for healing, forgiveness of sin, eternal life, etc. in the person and work of Christ. However, if healing was in the atonement in the same way that forgiveness is, then all who confess it should be healed (just as we are saved when we confess/trust Christ).
We need a theology of suffering, understanding of faith, factor in the sovereignty of God, reality of fallen world vs eschaton, etc.
There is some complexity and mystery in this subject. I think it is simplistic and probable error to make physical healing identical to redemption in Is. 53 (we can and should pray for vs demand healing, but ultimate freedom is in a resurrection body and the eternal state).
William Lance Huget
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Genuine-Healings-Local-Churches/dp/1612046789
Varnel Watson
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/divine-healing-as-eschatological-redemption/
William Lance Huget
The kingdom is now, but not yet (Ladd, etc.). We are not in the fulness, yet, but can have a foretaste.
Grover Katzmarek Sr
I contend that the kingdom began with the first Advent. Even early church fathers (first – third century) attests to this believe. Only those who are looking for a millennium are looking for a future kingdom which is merely a Jewish belief.
Freddie Miller Jr.
Freddie Miller Jr. liked this on Facebook.
William Lance Huget
There is provision, but there are other factors. If it was in the identical sense to forgiveness, we would just have to confess the healing (Word of Faith ideas) and all would be healed all of the time. This is simply not the case, so I think AOG, etc. overstates this.
William Lance Huget
http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Healing-IS-THE-ATONEMENT-ebook/dp/B00M15R186
Varnel Watson
Could homosexuality be healed from and does this make it something to be delivered from?
William Lance Huget
Homosexuality is volitional, a choice. Same sex attraction may be complex, but acting on it physically is ultimately a choice. Deliverance, discipline, obedience, etc., but I do not think physical healing is the issue (unless there is rare genetic or hermaphrodite, etc. issues).
Varnel Watson
https://www.facebook.com/evangelistandrewgreen/videos/vb.696885347060782/977284225687558/?type=2&theater
Michael Postlethwait
Of course healing is provided for in the atonement. That’s not really the pertinent question. The real question is: Is everything provided for in the atonement immediately revealed?