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Definite proof that the rapture will take place before the coming of the antichrist and before the tribulation. (Finis J. Dake)
Varnel Watson
Ben Wilson It is teachings like this that are timeless and without mistake. At least for true Pentecostal scholars and believers
Varnel Watson
NOW I agree with the Dake Bible on this one 100% Ricky Grimsley
Ricky Grimsley
Lol his main proof is that “after these things” means after the churches. Nonsense
Varnel Watson
META TAUTA – in the original Greek. Still there after 2,000 yrs Dont just erase and cut the Bible – Deal with it 🙂 #SOLID
Ricky Grimsley
It doesn’t mean after the churches. It means the vision of Jesus where he talks about the churches.
Varnel Watson
Why?
Ricky Grimsley
Common sense
Varnel Watson
What common sense 🙂 What you are saying makes absolutely no sense at all
Ricky Grimsley
After these things just means on to the next part of the book. Not after the churches. It just doesn’t say that.
Varnel Watson
That makes no sense The Greek is pretty clear Just look it up for yourself when you get a chance
A.J. Bible
In addition, the Church is not mentioned again after Chapter 3 until Revelation 22:6. That is “after these things” are fully revealed.
Ricky Grimsley
Lol
Ricky Grimsley
Who is dying for Jesus if not the church?
Revelation 6:11 KJVS
[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were , should be fulfilled.
Ricky Grimsley
Revelation 12:11 KJVS
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Ricky Grimsley
Daniel 11:31-32 KJVS
[31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice , and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. [32] And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits .
A.J. Bible
Those who repent during the tribulation. Daniel 11:31-32 does not refer to end time prohecy but prohecy of Antiochus.
Ricky Grimsley
Cmon you don’t really believe that
Ricky Grimsley
What about all the others
A.J. Bible
Don’t believe what? The Bible? Yes, I believe the Bible.
Ricky Grimsley
We all believe the Bible.
Ricky Grimsley
The part about it being just antiochus
A.J. Bible
Yes. I make the assumption you’re trying to make verses 31-32 about the antichrist. But he does not come in prophecy until verse 36.
Melvin Shomo
I look at this way Jesus had said to watch, because thou does not know when thy Lord doth come.
We all know for a fact that he is coming at the end of the seven year tribulation, so you are already prepared for his coming.
If you believe that we will meet the Lord in the air, then you have to believe in a catching away, or a rapture.
If you believe that the catching away is in the middle of the tribulation, then you already know. Three and a half years after the tribulation starts.
Here again you already know, even though Jesus had said that no body knows but the Father in heaven.
Now the Pretribbers have no way of knowing concerning the catching away, or the rapture, when their Lord had said to stay alert and WATCH,, because we do not know..
Because the tribulation will take everyone by surprise, and so will our Lord.
Ricky Grimsley
He said no man knows the day or the hour because no man did. Now he does. There is no scriptural support for pretrib. The disciples asked for signs. Jesus have them 30 verses of signs. Open your eyes people.
A.J. Bible
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Ricky Grimsley
We rise to meet him in the air right????????
Matthew 24:30-31 KJVS
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Melvin Shomo
There are more then just a few verses in the Bible.
I take Jesus literally for what he has said
A.J. Bible
Ricky Grimsley. Matthew 24:30-31 is the second coming of Christ. Not the rapture.
Melvin Shomo
Then you have no need to watch because you know everything there is to know
Ricky Grimsley
Why….because you say so?
A.J. Bible
Because Joel 2 says so.
Melvin Shomo
No I know so.
Melvin Shomo
Ricky my boy you will have to show where in the scripture that it is no longer important to watch.
Ricky Grimsley
Lol I watch everyday
Ricky Grimsley
Tell me how 2 Thessalonians two doesn’t destroy pretrib?
Melvin Shomo
Ricky my boy are we going to meet the Lord in the air?
Ricky Grimsley
Yes
Ricky Grimsley
On his way down
Ricky Grimsley
2 Thessalonians 2 tells you that the rapture can’t happen until a great falling away and the Antichrist is revealed
Melvin Shomo
Well many will be rewarded for their faith, according to their works.
It all depends upon their confession, or confessions.
To believe in a healing for your body it takes faith in the GREAT I AM..
I have received healing for my body different times, and I have been rewarded for my faith.
The pretrib, is all based on faith.
I do not eat and sleep the pretrib, because I do not know when the tribulation starts.
I instead I walk by Faith
Ricky Grimsley
Your faith can’t change the Bible.
Melvin Shomo
I have worn five of them out.
And I have only read a few books in my lifetime concerning the Bible.
How many books have you read separate from the Bible?
Melvin Shomo
I can actually count how many books separate from the Bible I have read on one hand.
And this is most likely for me being able to receive a healing for my own body.
Ricky Grimsley
It would be hard to guess
Melvin Shomo
I didn’t have the pleasure of reading the unbelief that others have written concerning the Bible.
And I haven’t had a TV much in our home, and it has been forty years now. So I can’t be accused of watching Jack Van Impe .
I had a book here from Hal Lindsey that I had found to boring to read.
It was called the Late Great Planet Earth.
It was given to me shortly after it came out.
I only read a few pages of it.
Ricky Grimsley
If you just follow Matthew 24 it shows you where the rapture is. Paul let’s you know also in 1 Thessalonians five that his talking about the second coming in 4 16-18. The rapture is the first part of the second coming.
Melvin Shomo
A matter of a fact I don’t even agree with some of Jack Van Impe’s teachings.
For one there will be Christians left here to face the tribulation. Quite a lot of them.
All because they had taken the Lord for granite.
They chose not to walk in the light as He is in the light.
And they weren’t found with their oil lamps trimmed
Ricky Grimsley
I am what is called pre-wrath.
Melvin Shomo
Enoch and Elijah were taken, because both men had walked and talked with God.
They were in the light, as He is in the light.
Melvin Shomo
For one Ricky you have to make it through the tribulation first, and how are you going to do that if you don’t have the means to buy or sell with. If you don’t have the mark of approval
Ricky Grimsley
I’ll have to
Trust god like I do now.
Ricky Grimsley
Like noah
Melvin Shomo
Have you trusted God for the impossibilities?
I should tell you a testimony about blood poisoning that I had.
Every body had written me off as a dead man.
Melvin Shomo
If you don’t have the faith now to believe God for the impossibilities, how will you have the faith during the tribulation
Ricky Grimsley
Well if I don’t make it through….perhaps I ll be a martyr.
Melvin Shomo
First the Christian has to be found worthy enough to escape all the things that will be coming upon the Earth during the tribulation.
Many Christians think that it is okay to drink alcohol.
And they also take sin for granted when Christ came to set the captive free..
Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Ricky Grimsley
And I plan to escape these things. God’s wrath does start till after the midpoint of the tribulation. The first part of the 7 years a the wrath of man and the Antichrist
Melvin Shomo
Ricky it is very doubtful that many Christians will make it through the tribulation.
If they don’t receive the mark of the beast, they won’t be able to buy food to eat, and those who do receive the mark will gladly turn the others in for not obeying the law.
Mostly all Christians will not make it the full seven years.
There are those that believe that the Lord will place the Christians in a mysterious hide away. Some even have said Petra..
I wonder where they get their doctrines from..
Ricky Grimsley
Revelation 12:11 KJVS
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Melvin Shomo
So you believe that the Lord will just sit back and let his children die like he had set back for Lot, Noah, the children of Nineveh.
In other words God sees no need to make away of escape for his children mentioned in Luke 21:36
Melvin Shomo
So in other words there is no need to pray to be worthy enough to escape the tribulation.
I had one gentleman tell me that Luke 21:36 is referring to death in order to be worthy enoug to escape the tribulation.
In other words, pray for a blessing of cancer to kill your body, or pray that a Semi Tractor Trailer hits you head on so that you may be worthy enough to escape.
He was adamant that he was right about Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Melvin Shomo
You see I would quote all the scriptures but the books that you have been reading that disagrees with the pretrib, has got an explanation for those scriptures even Luke 21:36.
Some people even go to the extremes and say that Jesus was referring to the Jews only and not the believer in Christ.
Then what tops it off the Prophesy Club on YouTube say that the Pretribbers will accept the mark of the beast because they are so heart broken. LOL
Not when you have the Holy Ghost.
Many denominations know how to get people saved, but they don’t know how to give people the gift of the Holy Ghost ?.
They tell each new convert that they supposedly received the Holy Spirit upon conversion, which is not scriptural.
Yes those people that are saved with out the tangible presence of the Holy Ghost ? in their lives, just might crumble and give into the mark of the beast so that they can buy and sell to feed their families
A.J. Bible
Verse 7. “Until he be taken out of the way.” Who is the He? For this “he” must be removed for the antichrist to appear.
Ricky Grimsley
I believe it’s Michael. But it can’t be the church because the day won’t come till after the Antichrist is here verse 3
Varnel Watson
Cant be Michael No such option in the Bible The only one who can hold the antiChrist is the Christ If Michael could have done it there would have been no need for the Christ to do it
Joseph Kidwell
Dake is right on this and is really pretty good on Revelation in general.
Varnel Watson
Dake is wrong on a few things but he is unmistakable on prophecy. Rapture is like the Trinity – just when you see it and it’s already too late
Joseph Kidwell
True. He is wrong on a few things, but over all, he is pretty solid on Revelation.
Christopher Noel Boggess
Why dont you just post scriptures instead of this mans interpretation and let the holy ghost give us the interpretation
Varnel Watson
We are speaking of Scripture Rev 4:1 After these things Has it even in Greek above A.J. Bible added v 7 Ricky Grimsley Mt 24 and no, if you just follow Mt 24 it does not show you that
Ricky Grimsley
“Hey Jesus. What are the signs of your coming”. 30 verses of signs. Then Matthew 24:31 KJVS
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
A.J. Bible
Who are the elect?
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley Who else in the whole group believes in your 3/4 rapture 🙂
Ricky Grimsley
Pretty simple
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley You need to start making difference between coming and gathering just like the Bible does. One of the signs of Christ’s coming is that He comes WITH his saints. Now how would this be possible if the Bible doesnt tell us there will be a gathering first?
Ricky Grimsley
The only difference is in your mind. Otherwise we would call it the third coming.
Varnel Watson
3rd 4th – you are the one with the 3/4 rapture 🙂
Angel Bonilla
Nobody knew about a Pre-Trib Rapture until the 19th century.
Varnel Watson
Angel Bonilla Not true The Ancient Church Fathers Believed in Pre-Trib Rapture http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-ancient-church-fathers-believed-in-pre-trib-rapture/
Angel Bonilla
Happy Easter.
Varnel Watson
Happy Easter or Ishtar? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/happy-easter-or-ishtar/
Angel Bonilla
????
Varnel Watson
Read it
Angel Bonilla
Yes, I did. what is the point? In Spanish we do say “Pascua”.