Binitarianism is a heresy

Binitarianism is a heresy

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Yes, Binitarianism is generally considered a heresy by mainstream Christianity. It is a non-trinitarian belief that posits only two persons in the Godhead: the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is not seen as a distinct person but rather as an aspect or manifestation of the Son or the Father. This view directly contradicts the Nicene Creed, a foundational statement of Christian belief that affirms the Trinity: God as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one divine being

The mystery of the Trinity is difficult to understand and explain, even by the most studied biblical scholars. However, the Trinity is a critical component of solid, orthodox Christianity.

Binitarianism is the belief in God as two persons, the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit, Binitarians contend, is the same person as Jesus. This is different than bitheism, the belief in two gods, but both bitheism and Binitarianism are unbiblical. A misunderstanding of Romans 8:9, in conjunction with the non-canonical “The Shepherd of Hermas” leads to this heretical belief.

Romans 8:9 says, “You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.”

This verse refers to the Holy Spirit as the “Spirit of Christ” because He is foretold by Jesus (John 15:26), He testifies of Jesus (John 15:26), He comes in the name of Christ (John 14:26), and He seals believers in Christ (Ephesians 1:13). In fact, that Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit and promises to send Him indicates to all that they are separate persons, both divine, both distinct parts of the Trinity.

Binitarianism is not biblical. The Bible teaches that God exists as three holy persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus, the Son, became a man but held onto His divinity while fully man. The Spirit, though in existence forever, was sent to believers after Jesus rose from the dead and returned to the community of God.

Does the Christian Trinity trace back to a Early Jewish sect Binitarianism?

Steven Tilly wrote:

The only thing you’ve shown is your ignorance of history, Binitarianism was the norm of ancient Judaism and was outlawed as heretical in the 2nd century. Oh, and Miroslav Volf refutes nothing, he only shows his ignorance of ancient Jewish beliefs and wants Christianity and Islam to sing Kumbya (wishful thinking. The concept of Two Powers in Heaven was the view of God’s unity of 2nd Temple Judaism and before that.

Mustafa Sahin:
Did the early Jews believe in a development of the Trinity?

They use this link http://twopowersinheaven.com

This is refuted here https://youtu.be/HdVTx1I1ESM “They call it Binitarianism”

No Christian Triniterian accepts two powers in heaven. Rather they accept 1 Power in Heaven divided into Three and not divided into TWO.

These Christians when trying to locate the Origins of the Trinity since they are under the pump of it being a latter invension they desperately refer to a Jewish Herectic sect, however in doing so they are not getting the Trinity but rather Binitarianism that God is revealled in TWO rather then Three. So refering to these Early Jew Herectics only creates more problems then solving the Origins of the Trinity by appealing to early Bible followers on how they interpreted the Bible.

There are some (links) written by another Christian Apologist named (Mark Bennet) here: http://www.answeringabraham.com/2016/02/did-early-jews-believe-in-two-powers-in.html?m=1
) who also claims that the Early Jews who were Binitarianism
did not view themselves as herectical.

Mustafa Sahin:

However of course they wouldnt have no Herectic group claims they are. That is determined by an opposition party, where Jews living prior to 200 BC and after the Birth of Jesus did not see it that way, and in fact did see them as Herectic even up until the Second Centuary. If those early Jews were only seen as Heretics in the Second Centuary. Are you saying they went Heretic from the beginning? If not then why don’t you preach beritinism rather Trinity? Why not preach Two powers instead of Three Powers? In fact one can argue Triniterians plagerized from the Heretics and modifying there own Triniterians invention.

Steven Tilley wrote:

Ok, now it’s obvious that you’re ignorant, selectively rational and don’t know a bit of Jewish history, and NO, binitarians were not a heretical sect with Judaism until the 2nd century, Binitarianism was the monotheism of the ancient Israelites.

As for your claim we “stole” from Jewish heretics, you stole your form of “monotheism” from disbelieving Jews, i.e., Unitarianism was a later invention of the 2nd century by heretical/disbelieving Jews; therefore, Islam is a heretical sect and a Arabic plagiarism of Judaism.

Mustafa Sahin:
Again let me repeat because logic and rationally doesn’t seem to be your strong point.

A)Who are the second Century people who classified them as Herectics. It was your Christian Scholars who appeal to the New Testament

B)Monotheism starts with Adam and Abraham so we all took from that premise. The point were your borrowing erd. Besides i don’t mind borrowing Monothiesm if that is the true nature of God. It answers Christians who claim Muslims borrow Mythologies from the Heretics when now we can say the same for Triniterians like your self appealing to the Early Jews.

C) The difference is not only did we all correctly borrowed. Monthesm Christianias modified it thus Adding the 3rd so if your appealing to the early Jews then by that notion you are a Herectic.

D) And if your appealing to Herectics for approval. Then we can too refer to the Heretic gnostocs for the Approval of Jesus not being Crucified.

E) You can’t have it both way either they are Herectic or they are not. Your Christian Scholars say that for them claiming there is ONLY two powers in heaven this makes them Herectics. Rather Christians say there is 1 power in heaven in Three Persons. Your Christian wensites fatwah say they are herectic and there teaching is not biblical. I sent the Fatwah source.

F) The Gnostics did not claim there heretic aswell. But Christians dont consider there interpretation. Notice Christians pick and choose what to accept doesn’t matter if there heretics by latter christian fatwah. That is called commiting the fallacy of inconsistency.
Can i quote and use the interpretation of Heretics?

G) Thanks to you, I now have a new argument to make the Gnostic Apocryphal Peter stronger. Apparently we can refer to Heretics even if its  classified heretical  by Christians. If im selectivity rational. Your selectively & inconsistent thus making you irrational. You take your pick.

H) Christian Fatwah website admits Binitarianism is not even Biblical. Read what they write Qoute:
“The Trinity is a great mystery, and even the most learned Bible scholars cannot adequately explain it. However, the Bible, specifically the New Testament, teaches that the one true God exists as three Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The Bible also teaches that it was the Son who became incarnate, not the Father or the Spirit. Thus, Binitarianism is not biblical”.End Qoute.

Source:http://www.gotquestions.org/Binitarianism.html

View it herectical…ahh the irony. If you claim the Origins of the Trinity date back to Biniterism then that means you triniterians copied a herectic sect thus plagerisizing from the Herectics and then modifying.

I) This get’s even more amusing. Christian’s tell Muslims not to refer to the books of Heretics known as the Gnostics Apocalypse of Peter that says Jesus did not die on the Cross. Christians say they are early heretics. But then these same Christians refer to the Early Jewish Heretics to make a Theological Reference.

Steven Tilley wrote:

Ok, you’ve so far made endless red herrings, circular logic, never address the premises but went down the same circle your required to, why? Because the Quran says so, the very definition of circular logic.

-Who are the second Century people who classified them as Herectics. It was your Christian Scholars who appeal to the New Testament?

Steven Tilly Wrote:
No, it was Jews leading towards the Bar Kokhva revolt who were trying to get rid of other sects by labeling them heretics, including those who believed in two powers in heaven.

-Monotheism starts with Adam and Abraham so we all took from that?

Steven Tilly Wrote:
Says who? The Quran? That’s a completely circular argument

-The difference is not only did we all correctly borrowed. Monthesm Christianias modified it thus Adding the 3rd so if your appealing to the early Jews then by that notion you are a Herectic.

Steven Tilly Wrote:
Funny, because Islam is by definition a Arian heresy. And again, your ignorance is stupefying, Binitarianism was the monotheism of the early church and ancient Jews, it’s called History, something the Quran and Islam reject because it refutes the Islamic narrative.

-And if your appealing to Herectics for approval. Then we can too refer to the Heretic gnostocs for the Approval of Jesus not being Crucified.

Steven Tilly Wrote:
Now you’re mixing apples with oranges, if you’re going to appeal to Gnostics, then you’re blaspheming your God because they believe the world was created by an evil God, so you inadvertently concede that Allah is evil. And to add, they didn’t believe Jesus had a body, which your own Quran affirms that he had a body, so you’re being very inconsistent and showing how unstable the Quran really is.

-You can’t have it both way either they are Herectic or they are not. Your Christian Scholars say that for them claiming there is ONLY two powers in heaven this makes them Herectics. Rather Christians say there is 1 power in heaven in Three Persons. Your Christian wensites fatwah say they are herectic and there teaching is not biblical. I sent the Fatwah source.

Steven Tilly Wrote:
These “christians” don’t speak for me, don’t represent me, and don’t tell me what to think. Your appeal to what “christians” say and not what historical theology says, only tells me that you’re intellectually dishonest and like most Islamist fanatics, will grasp at any straw to attack an opponent even though that same argument refutes your position.

So, you either concede to the historical fact of the plurality in the Godhead or go living on in your fantasy world where Alexander the Great was a good Muslim even though historically he was a pagan and a sodomite. Take your pick.

Mustafa Sahin Counter Rebuttal;

-He said no it wasn’t the Christians it was the second centuary Jews.

Mustafa Sahin:

He just took hook line and Sinker. Thank you for affirming that Jews considered other Jews Heretics so the Early Jews were not the ONLY group there were OTHER groups who did not consider them on the right path.

-He asked who said so that Abraham and Adam was Monotheistic.

Mustafa Sahin:
Is this guy serious so you reject the Quran when it say they were on monotheism..?? this guy is the joke of the year. Its clear he doesn’t think about his answers. His just answering for the sake of answering. And wants to talk about Circular Reasoning. He says that the Jews are a historical fact. In his attempt to address my Question regarding why Christians added a 3rd Power. Notice he didnt answer the Question. Yet talks about me not answering his questions. You have no answer why you added a 3rd power to the TWO powers. What im merely showing is that when you appeal to those heretic groups. It just makes your position worse when it cam be used against you. Second Century Jews and todays Modern Christian Apologist Are saying the Early Jews are Evil for they deny the Third Godhead. And in fact those early Jews do not even claim Jesus is the Second power in the Heaven. In fact say nothing about the Second  Power refers to the Son. So notice you drew this picture in your head thinking they already accepted a Quarter of s premise in the Trinity. Evil people can still contain elements of Truth thats the point. They may be evil and deny the 3rd God head. But according to you they still hold to truth that they say the truth when depicting God as atleast TWO powers. Therefore we can make the argument yes the Gnostic also commit evil be tarnishing the Attributes of God but they still hold truth and rely what really happened to Jesus on the Cross.

So now i ask you Mr Tilly, answer the Question? “are the Early Jews evil, for denying the THIRD Power in heaven? For stating there are two powers instead of Three Powers?

Additionaly i find it amusing you reject the Christian (Fatwah) sites who disagree with You and accept my Muslim position. So those who have the same spirit as you are on my side why?

The Fatwah i gave was from GotQuestionsDotcom which testifies that. Here again is the Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/Binitarianism.html
They say it is NOT Biblical and they are even Protestant Triniterians.

In fact there website has good educated Scholarly credibility they qoute,” All of our answers are reviewed for biblical and theological accuracy by our staff. Our CEO, S. Michael Houdmann, is ultimately accountable for our content, and therefore maintains an active role in the review process. He possesses a Bachelor’s degree in Biblical Studies from Calvary Bible College and a Master’s degree in Christian Theology from Calvary Theological Seminary (Kansas City, MO).

Steven Tilly counter Rebuttal:

– He just took hook line and Sinker. Thank you for affirming that Jews considered other Jews Heretics so the Early Jews were not the ONLY group there were OTHER groups who did not consider them on the right path.

Steven Tilly wrote:
These are the same Jews who rejected Isa, so if disbelievers are true, than Islam is false. And you ignored the whole point, they rejected their own historical theology.

-Is this guy serious so you reject the Quran when it say they were on monotheism…LoL this guy is the joke of the year. Its clear he doesn’t think about his answers. His just answering for the sake of answering. And wants to talk about Circular Reasoning.

Steven Tilly Wrote:
I reject the Quran based on its falsehood, lies, and false accusations and the author’s ignorance and the fact that Muhammad is a false prophet.

-he says that the Jews are a historical fact. In his attempt to address my Question regarding why Christians added a 3rd Power. Notice he didnt answer the Question. Yet talks about me not answering his questions. You have no answer why you added a 3rd power to the TWO powers. What im merely showing is that when you appeal to those heretic groups. It just makes your position worse when it cam be used against you.

Steven Tilly Wrote:
The only thing you’ve shown is that when historical facts don’t agree with your ideology you reject it, this is the definition of selective rationality.

-Second Century Jews and todays Modern Christian Apologist Are saying the Early Jews are Evil for they deny the Third Godhead. And in fact those early Jews do not even claim Jesus is the Second power in the Heaven. In fact say nothing about the 2nd Power refers to the Son. So notice you drew this picture in your head thinking they already accepted a Quarter of s premise in the Trinity. Evil people can still contain elements of Truth thats the point. They may be evil and deny the 3rd God head. But according to you they still hold to truth that they say the truth when depicting God as atleast TWO powers. Therefore we can make the argument yes the Gnostic also commit evil be tarnishing the Attributes of God but they still hold truth and rely what really happened to Jesus on the Cross.

Steven Tilly Wrote:
Philo, the Targums, and apocryphal works from that period all show there was a binitarian view held with 1st century Jewish beliefs, with Philo it was the Logos, with the Targums it was the Memra, מימרא. Oh, and in case you didn’t know, early Christianity was viewed as a Jewish sect within 1st century Judaism, there was no one Judaism in the 1st century, there were Judaisms, Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes, Hellenistic Judaism; go learn history.

17 Comments

  • Reply June 18, 2025

    Pentecostal Theology

    Well Philip Williams let’s crank this one up now

    • Reply June 18, 2025

      Philip Williams

      Pentecostal Theology very well. What position in the Godhead family is the Holy Spirit? Father, Divine Mother, Uncle?? Divine Brother of Jesus?

      • Reply June 18, 2025

        Pentecostal Theology

        Philip Williamswho is the Mother in the Trinity

      • Reply June 18, 2025

        Philip Williams

        Pentecostal Theology there is no Divine Mother. That is paganism!

      • Reply June 18, 2025

        Pentecostal Theology

        Philip WilliamsCatholicism rather

      • Reply June 18, 2025

        Philip Williams

        Pentecostal Theology too similar!

      • Reply June 18, 2025

        Troy Day

        Philip Williams I know John Mushenhouse Isara Mo will tell ya the truth

  • Reply June 18, 2025

    Philip Williams

    John visited Heaven and saw the Father and Son. Why is the Holy Spirit missing from this revelation of Heaven? If the Holy Spirit was shown, would we see a bird, a divine dove?

    • Reply June 18, 2025

      Pentecostal Theology

      Philip Williamshe was taken in the Spirit He specifically says in the Spirit 4 times in Rev alone How could you be in something that is not ?

      • Reply June 18, 2025

        Philip Williams

        Pentecostal Theology the Spirit is God’s presence in his Creation. The Spirit is God but not a separate person.

    • Reply June 18, 2025

      Philip Williams

      “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” 2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭17‬-‭18‬

      See, the Spirit is the unseen Jesus, not a separate person!

      • Reply June 19, 2025

        Troy Day

        Philip Williams id say your point is heretical

      • Reply June 19, 2025

        Philip Williams

        Troy Day then the Apostle Paul is also a heretic!

      • Reply June 19, 2025

        Troy Day

        Philip Williams what chapter verse

      • Reply June 19, 2025

        Philip Williams

        Troy Day see above, 2 Cor 3:17-18.

      • Reply June 19, 2025

        Troy Day

        Philip Williamsdon’t prove your point

      • Reply June 19, 2025

        Philip Williams

        Troy Day is Jesus not the Lord?

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