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The Book of Habakkuk Habakkuk is the seventh of the Minor Prophets of the Old Testament. It is believed that he lived in the 7th century during the reign of King Josiah, before the Babylonian Capti
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THIS is well known and old news of course, but being our own self-proclaimed resident Hebrew scholar and expert on Heiser Link Hudson how would you interpret EMBRACE VS WRESTLE in HABAKKUK?
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Troy Day You probably think that’s a joke, but people on the Internet don’t always follow everything that is going on. I never called myself a Hebrew expert or an expert on Heiser because I am not.
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I actually take EMBRACE VS WRESTLE in HABAKKUK quite seriously
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2 Samuel 3:33 KJV — And the king lamented over Abner, and said, Died Abner as a fool dieth?
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I wonder Joe Absher Link Hudson
(1) did Jacob wrestle with the angel all night or embraced
You know how this could be dually interpreted in some strange new way Terry Wiles
(2) was it an angel OR the angel of the Lord ie 2nd YHWH – this also makes a great deal of difference in the interpretation you see
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Genesis 32:24 KJV — And Jacob was left alone; and there WRESTLED A MAN with him until the breaking of the day.
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I think the lesson in the verse ‘the just shall live by faith’ is trusting in the nature and character of God. He is faithful just and true.
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Nathan Ridgeway on what bases do we interpret that word wrestled when it could mean embrace as well?
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Luke 22:48 KJV — But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?
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God loves you enough to touch you where it hurts…
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Nathan Ridgeway you do see how EMBRACING an angel all night long could be interpreted in SOME churches that Terry Wiles may have TARGETed
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I am using my phone
I see a brief article describing the Book of Habakkuk followed by our comments withno article on the embrace v. wrestle issue. Am I correct in assuming there is a Hebrew word that means both? Which verse?
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I love reading in Habakkuk. That was our Sunday School Lesson last week.
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This week it’s the whole book of Zephaniah. Just three chapters long. But it is about the Tribulations. And the Babylonians coming against Judah And the Battle Of Armageddon.
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Both books just about three chapters long. Habakkuk was just asking God questions. And waiting for an answer. God told him on the last question. It would be a little time off. But was coming fast. And would surely come to pass. Tomorrow lesson refers you to Ezekiel , I think 38. : but talks when the rain starts to fall and the hail stones. In that valley of Armygedo
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Nathan Ridgeway you dont see the double meaning ?
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What is the issue? IDoes the word means both in Hebrew?, are we going to translate the name of the book or something? Would this translation call Paul ‘Shorty’ instead of Paul and we’d have the books of I Rocky and II Rocky?
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Yes the word means both in Hebrew – Link Hudson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RcjPeJsVg
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Jacob then demanded a blessing, and the being declared in Genesis 32:28 that, from then on, Jacob would be called יִשְׂרָאֵל, Israel (Yisra`el, meaning “one that struggled with the divine angel” (Josephus), “one who has prevailed with God” (Rashi), “a man seeing God” (Whiston), “he will rule as God” (Strong
Link Hudson so I pointed you to this topic perhaps with a little help by our resident Jewish wiseman Tom Steele b/c the Hebrew here may/or may not be used for a 2nd YHWH – it is uncertain IF
Jacob fought or embraced the angel
IF the angel was the angel of the Lord or God
IF this angel of the Lord was a 2nd YHWH ot one of the other 70 crated not-born sons whom Heiser brings NOT form the Bible
No less striking is Jacob’s use of language. Five times he calls Esau adoni , “my lord” (in the previous chapter he tells his servants three times to used the same word to Esau). Twice he calls himself Esau’s eved , “servant,” (and four times in the previous chapter tells his servants to do likewise). As with his physical gesture of sevenfold prostration, so with his sevenfold use of the words adon and eved , this is the choreography of self-abasement.
How are we to connect this with the wrestling match of the previous night? Surely Jacob had won a victory over his adversary. At the very least he had refused to let him go until he blessed him.
What was the blessing from this all night embracing ???
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