Why God created us if we were going to hell?

Posted by Ricky Grimsley in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

My question is why would God create us if he knows if we are going to hell already. My supposition is that calvanism and armenianism are essentially the same since the both have a god that condemns people to hell either by decree or by mere creation since he already knew from tje “foundation” of the world.

Tim Anderson [11/25/2015 8:35 PM]
This verse comes to mind: “Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go in to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them” EX 10:1 (ESV)

It seems to me that answers to both questions are ones that the LORD prefers to keep hidden at this time (they are the secret things) See Deut. 29:29. One man’s opinion…

Ricky Grimsley [11/25/2015 9:01 PM]
I dont think they are hidden. I believe God tests us to learn. I believe god does not exhaustively know the future. I believe prophecy is god saying something will happen and then making it happen.

John Kissinger [11/26/2015 8:55 AM]
so just straight universalism eh? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/was-karl-barth-a-universalist/

I have more questions because i actually listen to different points of view and try to create a paradigm where all the scriptures fit instead of trying to make the scriptures fit the ideology i was raised with.

Troy Day Troy Day says:

I dont have answers to all your questions. You seem to have tons of it about your faith. You may wanna try seminary or some education in religion

All I need is to study the Holy Bible because there’s all my answers in that book

Troy Day Troy Day says:

That’s exactly what Ricky said before turning to feelings 🙂 I just didnt want you to credit me for his sayings in the group

There are parts of this we all speculate about because we only know in part. Again. There is zero proof of pretib

Some people may be predestined. You and I do not share the same experience as a Paul or a Jeremiah. Or Judas?

Troy Day Troy Day says:

You were predestined to wait for lots of things it seems

Im still waiting for a good explanation of how God can know im going to heaven or hell before he creates me but some how i still get to choose. Its nonsense

All u guys crack me up and Troy Day like seriously man come on.

Troy Day Troy Day says:

I think you were just predestined to be open theist

What are you talking about??

Exactly everyone lives like open-theism is true.

He’s pretty blunt in what he asks of us. So I’d just do it.

Because he did so live for him and just believe in him. If you don’t you are destroyed.

Open theism is the only thought that consistently answers the question. In arminianism and Calvinism you still have God knowing who will go to hell before he creates them. You can call that free-will if you want to but if its already decided before the world begins…..it is delusional to.

Open Theism undermines the preeminence and sovereignty and glory and Majesty of God

How so. God knows all that can be known. God has sovereignly chose to give you free will. Be didnt have to. You do not understand open-theism

Ok man I feel like I may have overstepped myself. Explain bro

Open-theism teaches that God knows everything as it is. Some things are possibilities. In this passage God “knows” what will happen but in informs david and so things change. 1 Samuel 23:11-13 KJVS
[11] Will the men of Keilah deliver me up into his hand? will Saul come down, as thy servant hath heard? O Lord God of Israel, I beseech thee, tell thy servant. And the Lord said, He will come down. [12] Then said David, Will the men of Keilah deliver me and my men into the hand of Saul? And the Lord said, They will deliver thee up. [13] Then David and his men, which were about six hundred, arose and departed out of Keilah, and went whithersoever they could go. And it was told Saul that David was escaped from Keilah; and he forbare to go forth.

Also most open-theist recognize ,that before creation,there is no practical difference between the Calvinist and the arminian. God either decrees all events or knows all events before he creates and therefore the future is settled either way. Arminians dont like to hear that but its still truth. They quote “foreknowledge doesnt equal predestination” but it doesnt matter what you call it if the future cant change.

Ricky Grimsley I do agree on the Arminian bit.

people are choosing to go to hell , because they cannot give up their sins.

Troy Day Troy Day says:

Agreed OPEN theism cannot answer such questions

It’s called free will