The POST that will get you kicked out from most Christian Apologetic groups (on CBD)

The POST that will get you kicked out from most Christian Apologetic groups (on CBD)
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φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20

Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8

They are just physical substances but they open up the Spirit world. Especially methamphetamine. It’s interesting that the Greek word Pharmakei means “sorcerywitchcraft” is translated drugs in English. This is where we get pharmacy, pharmacist. Etc

What about Pharmekeia?

This Greek word is interesting. As noted, it is used for medicine, drugs, or spells. The purpose of many drugs used for depression is to put you under a spell or alter your thinking. They is what they are designed to do. In some cases, this is needed. However, most times it is actually going against the purpose of God for the person.
The word is used twice. Once in Galatians and once in Revelation.

In Galatians 5:19-21 we see the first use. It is related to the use of witchcraft. Paul was very careful to make sure it knew it was related to many other issues of the heart.

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In the midst of sexual immorality, drunkeness, hatred, selfishness and envy is pharmekeia. You can read this as “The acts of the flesh are obvious…. fornication, getting drunks, taking medicines, doing drugs….” Anything that alters the mind is of the evil one. It is the work of the flesh and inspired by the evil one.

Revelation 18:23 takes it a whole new level. While Paul said that using mind altering drugs were of the flesh, John the Revelator takes to the spiritual realm of angels and demons. Let’s take a look.

The light of a lamp will never shine in you again, Nor will the joyous laughter of a wedding be heard in you. Your merchants were once the tycoons of the world, But you deceived all the nations by your sorcery.
The reality is that the companies that make meds and illegal drugs are tycoons. They have made billions off giving people addictions. They have deceived people all the world by their usage of pharmekeia. The enemy, Satan, is inspiring people to profit off people’s addictions and it is deception and witchcraft.

You should never purchase oil’s that have Pagan or Satanic mumbo-jumbo mixed in their advertising mainly as a testimony and to not support their evil efforts. But just like with music we should never allow the devil to hijack what the Lord has created. In Africa the medicine-man (Herbalist) is one of the more harmless of what might begin to be termed witchcraft. In my opinion the line should be drawn when you start invoking spirits or the names of ancestors, etc. in the same way with essential oil‘s the names that they are given may determine whether you should use them or not. People who practice paganism, magic, witchcraft and Satanism use herbs and drugs to weaken them and alter their state of consciousness so as to be more susceptible to the spirit world. The Bible forbids us from doing this.

45 Comments

  • Reply June 18, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    NOT sure WHY church ppl wanna be on drugs and STILL claim there are NO demonized believers Peter Vandever

  • Reply June 19, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    phramakia adulatory is THE real deal Neil Steven Lawrence Peter Vandever BUT if we are to listen to James Molenaar and few others on social drinking Ray E Horton Kyle Williams next thing gay preachers will be doing crack BEFORE getting up and preaching in our churches on Sunday AM and ppl will be FINE with it Joe Absher

    • Ray E Horton
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Ray E Horton

      Troy Day I’m not for social drinking, but I’m not a legalist. An occasional small glass of wine with a meal hurts no one and is not Biblically forbidden.

  • James Molenaar
    Reply June 19, 2020

    James Molenaar

    I never said anything about social drinking

  • James Molenaar
    Reply June 19, 2020

    James Molenaar

    Troy Day I just challenged your assertion that “real Christians do NOT drink Any Alcohol.

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      not my assertion – pls read the actual post

  • James Molenaar
    Reply June 19, 2020

    James Molenaar

    never said more than that

  • Kyle Williams
    Reply June 19, 2020

    Kyle Williams

    I’m not sure why I’m included in this post. Just have trouble ascribing the title of sin to things that the Inspired Infallible and very literal word of God does not call sin.. such as a man wearing a beard

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      He included you and me because he does not like any challenge to his doctrine =.

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      James Molenaar neither did the pharisees not even when GOD himself challenged them

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar you dont know my doctrine. Pls do not attack me as a person without knowing my belief IF you like to drink or do CBD or whatever it aint my fault

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Troy Day YOU said I was NOT a real Christian because I said someone who has any alcohol may still be a Christian. So I don’t think saying you don’t like being challenged comes anywhere close to that.

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar ACTUALLY you said

      James Molenaar I’m getting tired of people trying to say who is a real Christian and who isn’t. This is such an ignorant statement.

      to which I said
      Troy Day you are NOT a real Christian then

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      because I am disagreeing with the statement.

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar well and I am disagreeing with you disagreeing with the statement.

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Troy Day Not only are you disagreeing with my disagreement, you stated that I am not a real Christian because of it. Do you see the issue there?

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar not really I simply expressed my disagreement in the same manner you expressed yours

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Troy Day you said I was not a real Christian! how is that equal to me disagreeing with a statement made?

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      I was disagreeing with a statement you made in the same manner you were disagreeing with a statement I made? Now do you have to add something about CBD?

  • Reply June 19, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Kyle Williams James Molenaar I;ve noticed believers doing social drinking do CBD as well. Do you?

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      Not a social drinker and yes I do use CBD…on my horse…

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Kyle Williams no one should drink and ride a horse Even with CBD on it

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      Troy Day that’s why I choose to do so sober sir…do you mind telling me why you are accusing me of being a drunkard?

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      I don’t drink and i use CBD on my dog.

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar does your dog drink and use CBD on you?

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Kyle Williams supposedly I am not even a real Christian lol.

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar now that you said too it dont get mad if someone else says it about you later on

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      James Molenaar I’m probably not a real Pentecostal but I’m most definitely a real Christian..if Jesus is your Lord and Savior your a real Christian.. according to scripture

  • Neil Steven Lawrence
    Reply June 19, 2020

    Neil Steven Lawrence

    Troy Day I highly doubt CBD has any medicinal value. In my opinion it is simply “sinful attitudes” trying to pry open the door to marijuana!

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      sugar pill James Molenaar there is NO credible medical research for any of its after and side effects

  • Reply June 19, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    RT Kyle Williams …do you mind telling me why you are accusing me of being a drunkard?

    pls point out where were you being accused for that ? First off is it true or you are jsut making a point here

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Troy Day YOU give biblical evidence that ANY drinking makes you not a real Christian, and please add context.

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      Troy Day your definitely saying I’m a social drinker.. and that is not something that I ever said.. I said I wouldn’t call the consumption of any alcohol a sin.. so your assumption is that I’m a social drinker, who rides my horse while drinking?

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Kyle Williams on CBD 😄

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Kyle Williams pls read what I said and dont make false accusations like James Molenaar pls Are yall planning to contribute to the discussion any or just spewing on me for calling yall out in the light ?

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      James Molenaar not me just my horse brother lol its really good on my 15 yrs old mares joints.. Vet recommend 😁

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Kyle Williams sorry thats what i meant lol

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Troy Day I am trying to have a discussion. I need to see your biblical evidence

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Molenaar read the post pls There is PLENTY with Greek exegesis and all Should be sufficient

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      Lol brother Troy what on earth are you talking about

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      Troy Day I would just like to know WHY I was called out? because I said a man having a beard was not at odds with scripture?

    • Reply June 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Kyle Williams discussion was forked from the social drinking discussion where James Molenaar mentioned CBD and then I answered you both by asking under this CBD topic

    • Kyle Williams
      Reply June 19, 2020

      Kyle Williams

      Troy Day I dont recall chiming in on the discussion on social drinking

    • James Molenaar
      Reply June 19, 2020

      James Molenaar

      Troy Day we were not having a social drinking discussion. We we having a discussion on you wrongly calling people not christian if they have any alcohol.

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